Re: [Bulk] [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-04-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 21:34:51 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: What about USB network adaptors? A user may not even realise they plugged it into a different USB slot from last time, yet the device name changes. Fair point but wouldn't that be only if you plug in two of the same type that

Re: [Bulk] [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-04-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 03:02:51 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: What about USB network adaptors? A user may not even realise they plugged it into a different USB slot from last time, yet the device name changes. congratulation, you just found another reason why today's udev sucks. I take

Re: [Bulk] [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-04-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:40:09 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: I find the OpenBSD method of different names like fxp0 usefuk You can emulate that with suitable (e)udev rules. -- Neil Bothwick Computers are like Old Testament gods; lots of rules and no mercy. signature.asc Description: PGP

Re: [Bulk] [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-04-01 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Apr 1, 2013 1:54 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 21:34:51 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: What about USB network adaptors? A user may not even realise they plugged it into a different USB slot from last time, yet the device name changes. Fair point

Re: [Bulk] [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-04-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 13:57:42 +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote: I still don't understand what's so bad with MAC-based identification? I mean, uniqueness defined through MAC Address identity, the system name is just a label... MAC addresses are not human-friendly. It would be OK if you could set up

Re: [Bulk] [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-04-01 Thread Michael Mol
On 04/01/2013 09:12 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 13:57:42 +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote: I still don't understand what's so bad with MAC-based identification? I mean, uniqueness defined through MAC Address identity, the system name is just a label... MAC addresses are not

Re: [Bulk] [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-04-01 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 14:12:17 +0100 Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: I still don't understand what's so bad with MAC-based identification? I mean, uniqueness defined through MAC Address identity, the system name is just a label... MAC addresses are not human-friendly. It would be

Re: [Bulk] [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-04-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 09:29:08 -0400, Michael Mol wrote: MAC addresses are not human-friendly. It would be OK if you could set up aliases, so your firewall rules could use enaabbccddeeff while you could still type eth0. Frankly, I never found 'eth0' to be particularly friendly, either.

Re: [Bulk] [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-04-01 Thread Michael Mol
On 04/01/2013 09:54 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 09:29:08 -0400, Michael Mol wrote: MAC addresses are not human-friendly. It would be OK if you could set up aliases, so your firewall rules could use enaabbccddeeff while you could still type eth0. Frankly, I never found

Re: [Bulk] [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-03-31 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 11:48:19 + (UTC) Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt wrote: instead of pushing a completely different (and possibly less reliable) naming scheme by default. Whilst I wouldn't want them changing on me (though if your physically changing the pci slot then you

Re: [Bulk] [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-03-31 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:40:09 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: instead of pushing a completely different (and possibly less reliable) naming scheme by default. Whilst I wouldn't want them changing on me (though if your physically changing the pci slot then you should be able to handle the

Re: [Bulk] [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-03-31 Thread Michael Mol
On 03/31/2013 03:55 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:40:09 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: instead of pushing a completely different (and possibly less reliable) naming scheme by default. Whilst I wouldn't want them changing on me (though if your physically changing the pci

Re: [Bulk] [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-03-31 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 20:55:00 +0100 Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: What about USB network adaptors? A user may not even realise they plugged it into a different USB slot from last time, yet the device name changes. Fair point but wouldn't that be only if you plug in two of the same

Re: [Bulk] [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-03-31 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 31.03.2013 21:55, schrieb Neil Bothwick: On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:40:09 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: instead of pushing a completely different (and possibly less reliable) naming scheme by default. Whilst I wouldn't want them changing on me (though if your physically changing the pci slot