Re: [Bulk] RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2013-01-04 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 18:22:37 -0500 Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org wrote: I have never personally run into any case where I had a single /+/usr and regretted it, but I *have* encountered situations where I could not get /usr mounted and ended up merging it with /. FWIW, YMMV, etc. And why

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-28 Thread Kevin Chadwick
Should perl be in / or /usr? Now that is a good question, if only because Perl traditionally _loathes_ being in /bin, for its own philosophical reasons. Now, as a practical matter? WTF are the scripts written in Perl? Or in anything other than sh? If they're intended for emergency

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-28 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Should perl be in / or /usr? Now that is a good question, if only because Perl traditionally _loathes_ being in /bin, for its own philosophical reasons. Now, as a practical matter? WTF are the scripts written in

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-27 Thread Kevin Chadwick
Again you don't break the spec unless you have to and you don't change the spec unless it is an improvement or you have no choice. Non of which is the case. Just like you do not mould a mail RFC to a widely used technically inferior hotmail implementation. He's like DJB on crack. Except DJB

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-27 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:28 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Again you don't break the spec unless you have to and you don't change the spec unless it is an improvement or you have no choice. Non of which is the case. Just like you do not mould a mail RFC to a widely used

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-27 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:28 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Again you don't break the spec unless you have to and you don't change the spec unless it is an improvement or you have no choice. Non

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-27 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 2:40 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: or the fact that some udev programs tend to be located in /usr, That's either a bug with those programs, or a need for architectural improvements within udev. Both plausible answers. The most obvious architectural

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-27 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 2:40 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: or the fact that some udev programs tend to be located in /usr, That's either a bug with those programs, or a need for architectural

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-27 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 4:59 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 2:40 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: or the fact that some udev programs tend to be located in /usr, That's

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-27 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 4:59 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 2:40 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Kevin Chadwick
It was in fact a weirdo corner case since day 1. Right, a weirdo corner case that is part of best practice and the default suggestion on debian stable used on many many servers and for good reason. -- ___ 'Write programs

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-19 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Dienstag, 18. Dezember 2012, 23:02:41 schrieb Marc Joliet: Am Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:34:07 + schrieb Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk: [...] Going back in time his claim of pulse audio being good for professional audio was also completely off the mark. Seperating Gnome and

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-19 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 07:48:45PM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote remember this? a solution without a problem to solve, making a lot of people's lifes harder, dropped onto them by the godlike Lennart P.? http://lalists.stanford.edu/lad/2009/06/0218.html The thread was started by

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-18 Thread Kevin Chadwick
Thankfully, I've never had to maintain systems whose disks were small and low performing enough that it actually mattered to separate / from /usr. So you don't understand it much at all. Actually many of lennarts pages such as his security.html are full of wildly incorrect claims and

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-18 Thread Marc Joliet
Am Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:34:07 + schrieb Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk: [...] Going back in time his claim of pulse audio being good for professional audio was also completely off the mark. Seperating Gnome and pulse can now cause pro audio users on binary distro's major headaches