Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, and according to this benchmark
http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html
reiserfs does not deserve its speed fame.
The ext filesystem is slow if you meter the right times.
If you e.g. untar a linux kernel tarball and just take the time
Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
reiserfs has barriers turned on by default - which makes it a bit slower but
a
lot safer for data. ext3 has them turned off by default - ext3 devs don't
care
about data - only speed. You turn on barriers, performance goes down by 30%.
There
Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, and according to this benchmark
http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html
reiserfs does not deserve its speed fame.
they tested crap.
As I wrote in the other mail. XFS and reiserfs turn on barriers by default,
ext3 turns them off.
With
Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have not dived in the Linux developers x Hans Reiser battle, so I
don't know which side is right and which side is guilty, but think
that either
A) reiserfs is a good filesystem, but the battle between Hans Reiser
and Linux developers
Dale wrote:
I'm not expecting a answer but along the lines of a viewpoint in a
question form. Why is it that smart, I mean seriously smart, people
have the worst social skills? They can invent a super fast CPU, memory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome
On Wednesday 26 November 2008 07:05:39 Dale wrote:
I'm not expecting a answer but along the lines of a viewpoint in a
question form. Why is it that smart, I mean seriously smart, people
have the worst social skills? They can invent a super fast CPU, memory
chip, hard drive some new chemical,
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Wednesday 26 November 2008 07:05:39 Dale wrote:
I'm not expecting a answer but along the lines of a viewpoint in a
question form. Why is it that smart, I mean seriously smart, people
have the worst social skills? They can invent a super fast CPU, memory
chip,
Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 22:09:52 schrieb Dale:
I wouldn't use XFS unless
it was all that was left. I tried it once a while back and found out it
does not like power failures at all. Each time I had a power failure, I
had to reinstall from scratch.
Nicolas Sebrecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 04:41:14PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
btrfs looks very promising. I hope it will become a good fs. Fast for
everybody, stable, efficient. We will see. Until then I will stay with
r4+compression.
Well, it is
Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, it is under a restrictive license, so there is no chance that this
filestem will become popular on many OS platforms.
btrfs is under GPL...
you can stop right here. Jörg thinks that the GPL is restrictive and the CPPL
much more
Am Montag, den 24.11.2008, 16:12 +0200 schrieb GMail:
On Monday 24 November 2008 08:28:33 Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
@William: If one or more of the PVs is a Network Block Device, you're not
bound to the local machine.
You could also use iSCSI. On your client you'll get SCSI-device-nodes
On Tuesday 25 November 2008 11:07:26 Joerg Schilling wrote:
It ZFS was under GPL, it did not appear on FreeBSD and Mac OS X.
What I expect from a promising new filesystem is that is may be integrated
in a large variety of Platforms.
Note that I am a supporter of collaboration in OSS and that
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:27 AM, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 22:09:52 schrieb Dale:
I wouldn't use XFS unless
it was all that was left. I tried it once a while back and found out it
does not like power failures at all. Each time I had a
I wouldn't use XFS unless
it was all that was left. I tried it once a while back and found out it
does not like power failures at all. Each time I had a power failure, I
had to reinstall from scratch.
Hmm, I use it because of its resistance to power failures. When was it that
you had such
Now, since I usually compile software in a tmpfs, I guess the
filesystem makes nearly zero difference. Video encoding is obviously
bound by CPU, cache and RAM speed, not filesystem. Web rendering is
also hardly affected by filesystem . And launching programs means
mostly reading files, and
On Tuesday 25 November 2008, Paul Hartman wrote:
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:27 AM, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 22:09:52 schrieb Dale:
I wouldn't use XFS unless
it was all that was left. I tried it once a while back and found out
it
On Tuesday 25 November 2008, Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote:
I was able to recover much of the data with reiserfsck --rebuild-tree,
but some of the files had part of their content replaced with a string
of null bytes. I heard somewhere that reiserfs is infamous for
replacing file content
reiserfs has barriers turned on by default - which makes it a bit slower but a
lot safer for data. ext3 has them turned off by default - ext3 devs don't care
about data - only speed. You turn on barriers, performance goes down by 30%.
I read an article about that, and if I recall correctly the
On Tuesday 25 November 2008, Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote:
Now, since I usually compile software in a tmpfs, I guess the
filesystem makes nearly zero difference. Video encoding is obviously
bound by CPU, cache and RAM speed, not filesystem. Web rendering is
also hardly affected by
Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto schrieb:
I have no expertise to decide on that matter,
but the fact that pretty much every linux distribution chooses ext3 by
default suggests it is the safest (at least for simple desktop/laptop
usage), no?
Most people and companies / organisations use M$
On Tuesday 25 November 2008, Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote:
reiserfs has barriers turned on by default - which makes it a bit slower
but a lot safer for data. ext3 has them turned off by default - ext3 devs
don't care about data - only speed. You turn on barriers, performance
goes
[...] I have no expertise to decide on that matter,
but the fact that pretty much every linux distribution chooses ext3 by
default suggests it is the safest (at least for simple desktop/laptop
usage), no?
fedora turns on 4k stack - well knowing that it kills xfs. Do you want to
rephrase
On Tuesday 25 November 2008 19:57:19 Paul Hartman wrote:
I have a similar story, but for me it was JFS instead of XFS. I will
never, ever, ever use JFS for anything again. I had XFS on a file
server RAID box with a failing power supply and it died over and over
and the FS stayed functional, so
On Tuesday 25 November 2008 20:37:13 Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote:
Now, since I usually compile software in a tmpfs, I guess the
filesystem makes nearly zero difference. Video encoding is obviously
bound by CPU, cache and RAM speed, not filesystem. Web rendering is
also hardly affected
On Tuesday 25 November 2008 21:24:48 Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote:
I have no expertise to decide on that matter,
but the fact that pretty much every linux distribution chooses ext3 by
default suggests it is the safest (at least for simple desktop/laptop
usage), no?
I don't think that
On Dienstag 25 November 2008, Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote:
so use whatever you want, get a nice cheap dlt from ebay and let a
cronjob write to it. No 'lazy' problem. Very secure.
I live in Brasil, and due to huge taxes, poor infrastructure and the
currency exchange ratio, computer
On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 17:24 -0200, Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote:
...
but the fact that pretty much every linux distribution chooses ext3 by
default suggests it is the safest (at least for simple desktop/laptop
usage), no?
...
No, for me ext2 = continual lost data issues from even the
I ran ext3 on a dirvish backup server - lasted two days, resierfs is
still going after a couple of years. dirvish REALLY hammers a file
system.
Participating in a few of these discussions over the years has brought
home to me that YMMV really does apply to filesystems. Your usage, data
...
I have not dived in the Linux developers x Hans Reiser battle, so I
don't know which side is right and which side is guilty, but think
that either
A) reiserfs is a good filesystem, but the battle between Hans Reiser
and Linux developers caused people to dislike reiserfs for
non-technical
On Mittwoch 26 November 2008, Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote:
I ran ext3 on a dirvish backup server - lasted two days, resierfs is
still going after a couple of years. dirvish REALLY hammers a file
system.
Participating in a few of these discussions over the years has brought
home
081126 W.Kenworthy wrote:
A) reiserfs is a good filesystem,
but the battle between Hans Reiser and Linux developers
caused people to dislike reiserfs for non-technical reasons.
A is the answer. Hans Reiser is by all accounts a brilliant,
eccentric but deeply flawed individual. He did not
Paul Hartman wrote:
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:27 AM, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 22:09:52 schrieb Dale:
I wouldn't use XFS unless
it was all that was left. I tried it once a while back and found out it
does not like
W.Kenworthy wrote:
...
I have not dived in the Linux developers x Hans Reiser battle, so I
don't know which side is right and which side is guilty, but think
that either
A) reiserfs is a good filesystem, but the battle between Hans Reiser
and Linux developers caused people to dislike
On Montag 24 November 2008, Dale wrote:
Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 02:06:04 schrieb Dale:
I think it is LVMS or something. Linux volume management system?? I
think Redhat calls it EVMS or something.
Two things, (more ore less) one purpose:
1) LVM: Logical
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Montag 24 November 2008, Dale wrote:
I knew it was something like that. I thought it was networkable but was
not sure. You guys sure know more about that than I do.
- evms was used for a while by Suse - I don't know if they still do.
- there is a
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 12:07:34 schrieb Dale:
Maybe it will survive. I'm waiting on reiserfs4 to go stable. ;-)
Well, with its inventor being imprisoned for the next 15 years or so, you'll
have to be patient. I for one wait for btrfs.
Bye...
Dirk
On Montag 24 November 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 12:07:34 schrieb Dale:
Maybe it will survive. I'm waiting on reiserfs4 to go stable. ;-)
Well, with its inventor being imprisoned for the next 15 years or so,
you'll have to be patient. I for one wait for btrfs.
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 13:49:38 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann:
On Montag 24 November 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 12:07:34 schrieb Dale:
Maybe it will survive. I'm waiting on reiserfs4 to go stable. ;-)
Well, with its inventor being imprisoned for the
On Montag 24 November 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 13:49:38 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann:
On Montag 24 November 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 12:07:34 schrieb Dale:
Maybe it will survive. I'm waiting on reiserfs4 to go stable. ;-)
On Monday 24 November 2008 14:49:38 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Montag 24 November 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 12:07:34 schrieb Dale:
Maybe it will survive. I'm waiting on reiserfs4 to go stable. ;-)
Well, with its inventor being imprisoned for the next
On Monday 24 November 2008 13:07:34 Dale wrote:
I used to be subscribed to the mailing list, thought about using one or
the other. Just before I unsubscribed, there were some people trying to
get it back up and going. I'm not sure how that went or if it is still
being worked on or not. It
On Monday 24 November 2008 08:28:33 Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
@William: If one or more of the PVs is a Network Block Device, you're not
bound to the local machine.
I'd never thought of that, but it makes sense. PV wants a raw block device and
couldn't care less if it leads to local disk or
On Monday 24 November 2008 07:58:55 Roy Wright wrote:
W.Kenworthy wrote:
On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 19:06 -0600, Dale wrote:
Kobboi wrote:
On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 07:31 +0900, William Kenworthy wrote:
Currently I have around 3 terrabytes of storage across a number of
gentoo machines (4 at the
GMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 24 November 2008 13:07:34 Dale wrote:
I used to be subscribed to the mailing list, thought about using one or
the other. Just before I unsubscribed, there were some people trying to
get it back up and going. I'm not sure how that went or if it is
On 24 Nov 2008, at 14:12, GMail wrote:
On Monday 24 November 2008 07:58:55 Roy Wright wrote:
W.Kenworthy wrote:
On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 19:06 -0600, Dale wrote:
Kobboi wrote:
On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 07:31 +0900, William Kenworthy wrote:
Currently I have around 3 terrabytes of storage across a
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 15:12:00 schrieb GMail:
How does it cope with network outages though? In my experience, LVM is not
exactly graceful when one of it's PVs goes away
Don't know. I just know it's possible but never did it myself.
Bye...
Dirk
Roy Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
W.Kenworthy wrote:
On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 19:06 -0600, Dale wrote:
Kobboi wrote:
On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 07:31 +0900, William Kenworthy wrote:
Currently I have around 3 terrabytes of storage across a number of
gentoo machines (4 at the moment) - at
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 14:50:30 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann:
he is not - but after the invention is implemented, the inventor is not
needed anymore ;)
Yes, that's right.
Bye...
Dirk
Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
he is not - but after the invention is implemented, the inventor is not
needed
anymore ;)
I hope this is not the reason for putting him into prison ;-)
Note the sign at the Springfield prison:
If you commited murder, you'd be home by now.
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Montag 24 November 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 13:49:38 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann:
On Montag 24 November 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 12:07:34 schrieb Dale:
Maybe it will
On Monday 24 November 2008 23:47:14 Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 04:41:14PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
btrfs looks very promising. I hope it will become a good fs. Fast for
everybody, stable, efficient. We will see. Until then I will stay with
r4+compression.
On Montag 24 November 2008, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 04:41:14PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
btrfs looks very promising. I hope it will become a good fs. Fast for
everybody, stable, efficient. We will see. Until then I will stay with
r4+compression.
Well, it
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 04:41:14PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
btrfs looks very promising. I hope it will become a good fs. Fast for
everybody, stable, efficient. We will see. Until then I will stay with
r4+compression.
Well, it is under a restrictive license, so there is no chance
On Tuesday 25 November 2008 00:15:55 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Montag 24 November 2008, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 04:41:14PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
btrfs looks very promising. I hope it will become a good fs. Fast for
everybody, stable, efficient. We
On Montag 24 November 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Tuesday 25 November 2008 00:15:55 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Montag 24 November 2008, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 04:41:14PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
btrfs looks very promising. I hope it will become a good
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 22:09:52 schrieb Dale:
I wouldn't use XFS unless
it was all that was left. I tried it once a while back and found out it
does not like power failures at all. Each time I had a power failure, I
had to reinstall from scratch.
Hmm, I use it because of its
On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 07:31 +0900, William Kenworthy wrote:
Currently I have around 3 terrabytes of storage across a number of
gentoo machines (4 at the moment) - at any one time 1/2 to 1 terrabyte
is unused, but mostly in scattered chunks. Some space is exported via
NFS and samba for backups
Kobboi wrote:
On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 07:31 +0900, William Kenworthy wrote:
Currently I have around 3 terrabytes of storage across a number of
gentoo machines (4 at the moment) - at any one time 1/2 to 1 terrabyte
is unused, but mostly in scattered chunks. Some space is exported via
NFS
On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 19:06 -0600, Dale wrote:
Kobboi wrote:
On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 07:31 +0900, William Kenworthy wrote:
Currently I have around 3 terrabytes of storage across a number of
gentoo machines (4 at the moment) - at any one time 1/2 to 1 terrabyte
is unused, but mostly in
W.Kenworthy wrote:
On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 19:06 -0600, Dale wrote:
Kobboi wrote:
On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 07:31 +0900, William Kenworthy wrote:
Currently I have around 3 terrabytes of storage across a number of
gentoo machines (4 at the moment) - at any one time 1/2 to 1 terrabyte
is unused,
Am Montag, 24. November 2008 02:06:04 schrieb Dale:
I think it is LVMS or something. Linux volume management system?? I
think Redhat calls it EVMS or something.
Two things, (more ore less) one purpose:
1) LVM: Logical Volume Management
2) EVMS: Enterprise Volume Management System
1) is
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