On Sun, 2021-07-25 at 20:52 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 8:39 PM Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> >
> > This is indeed a bug, but not the ones that have been suggested. The
> > underlying problem is that the DJB programs (mail-mta/netqmail, but
> > also net-dns/djbdns, for
On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 8:39 PM Michael Orlitzky wrote:
>
> This is indeed a bug, but not the ones that have been suggested. The
> underlying problem is that the DJB programs (mail-mta/netqmail, but
> also net-dns/djbdns, for example) require a particular service manager.
Is it actually using
(Replying nowhere in particular)
This is indeed a bug, but not the ones that have been suggested. The
underlying problem is that the DJB programs (mail-mta/netqmail, but
also net-dns/djbdns, for example) require a particular service manager.
When OpenRC is installed only as a side effect of being
On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 17:25:17 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> The number of people who would lose their systems by this mechanism is
> likely very small, but that loss would probably involve a
> re-installation. I mean all a victim has to go on is the fact that his
> machine won't boot, combined
Hello, Neil.
On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 16:40:23 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 13:43:46 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > > It may be critical for *your* system ... :-)
> > Just as systemd is for your system. If you'd installed daemontools you
> > would also have come within
On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 13:43:46 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > It may be critical for *your* system ... :-)
>
> Just as systemd is for your system. If you'd installed daemontools you
> would also have come within a keystroke of destroying your system, just
> as I did, on attempting emerge
Wols Lists wrote:
> On 25/07/21 14:49, Dale wrote:
>> The problem here is that a user installed a package outside of
>> emerge/portage's knowledge.
> No that does *NOT* appear to be the problem.
>
> The problem is that the user installed - *using* *portage* - a package
> that satisfied a critical
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> Hello, Wol.
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 13:26:17 +0100, Wols Lists wrote:
>> On 25/07/21 12:47, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
They are, @system is a set of packages and nothing it it will be
> depcleaned. However, openrc is not part of @system, the virtual is.
>>> Ah,
On 25/07/21 14:49, Dale wrote:
> The problem here is that a user installed a package outside of
> emerge/portage's knowledge.
No that does *NOT* appear to be the problem.
The problem is that the user installed - *using* *portage* - a package
that satisfied a critical system dependency. Except
tastytea wrote:
> On 2021-07-25 13:26+0100 Wols Lists wrote:
>
>> On 25/07/21 12:47, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
They are, @system is a set of packages and nothing it it will be
> depcleaned. However, openrc is not part of @system, the virtual
> is.
>>> Ah, that's it. So we have
Hello, Wol.
On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 13:26:17 +0100, Wols Lists wrote:
> On 25/07/21 12:47, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> >> They are, @system is a set of packages and nothing it it will be
> >> > depcleaned. However, openrc is not part of @system, the virtual is.
> > Ah, that's it. So we have
Neil Bothwick wrote:
>
> My point is that you are mixing portage and non-portage packages, that's
> why portage is getting confused. I don't know much about daemontools, but
> it seems the sort of package that should not be in @world, but only
> installed as a dependency of something else.
>
> I'm
On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 11:47:40 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > > I would say all packages in @system _are_ needed, unless the user
> > > explicitly says otherwise.
>
> > They are, @system is a set of packages and nothing it it will be
> > depcleaned. However, openrc is not part of @system, the
On 2021-07-25 13:26+0100 Wols Lists wrote:
> On 25/07/21 12:47, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> >> They are, @system is a set of packages and nothing it it will be
> >> > depcleaned. However, openrc is not part of @system, the virtual
> >> > is.
>
> > Ah, that's it. So we have critical system
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> Hello, Neil.
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 10:03:44 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 21:01:34 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> It seems it's insisting on removing all packages but one which
> satisfy a virtual. Maybe that is unwise, and it should keep
On 25/07/21 12:47, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> They are, @system is a set of packages and nothing it it will be
>> > depcleaned. However, openrc is not part of @system, the virtual is.
> Ah, that's it. So we have critical system packages which aren't part of
> @system. I think openrc is a critical
Hello, Neil.
On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 10:03:44 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 21:01:34 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > > > It seems it's insisting on removing all packages but one which
> > > > satisfy a virtual. Maybe that is unwise, and it should keep _all_
> > > > such
On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 21:01:34 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > > It seems it's insisting on removing all packages but one which
> > > satisfy a virtual. Maybe that is unwise, and it should keep _all_
> > > such packages which are currently installed.
>
> > Well, the whole point of an any-of
On 24/07/21 22:09, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> I'm actually using s/qmail, tarball direct from its maintainer, since
> there's no ebuild for it. Originally, I had daemontools from the same
> place, until I discovered there was an ebuild for it.
THAT LOOKS LIKE YOUR PROBLEM.
If daemontools has been
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> Hello, Dale.
>
> On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 10:03:52 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>> Maybe qmail needs a USE flag to pull in daemontools?
> I'm actually using s/qmail, tarball direct from its maintainer, since
> there's no ebuild for it. Originally, I had daemontools from the same
>
Hello, Dale.
On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 10:03:52 -0500, Dale wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > I'm considering submitting a bug to bugs.gentoo.org, requesting that
> > _all_ installed packages satisfying a virtual get kept. There is surely
> > something wrong when somebody who just wants to be a
Hello again, Rich.
On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 10:58:55 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 10:46 AM Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 10:14:20 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
> > > On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 9:47 AM Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > > > So in these virtual
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>
> I'm considering submitting a bug to bugs.gentoo.org, requesting that
> _all_ installed packages satisfying a virtual get kept. There is surely
> something wrong when somebody who just wants to be a user (me) has to
> read .ebuild files to get normal things done.
>
>
If
On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 10:46 AM Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>
> On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 10:14:20 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
> > On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 9:47 AM Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>
> > > So in these virtual packages, it seems by default the _last_ mentioned
> > > package in a || ( ... ) construct
Hello, Rich.
On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 10:14:20 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 9:47 AM Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > So in these virtual packages, it seems by default the _last_ mentioned
> > package in a || ( ... ) construct is the one --depclean keeps. It all
> > has the
On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 9:47 AM Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>
> So in these virtual packages, it seems by default the _last_ mentioned
> package in a || ( ... ) construct is the one --depclean keeps. It all
> has the feeling of things not having been properly thought through.
>
I'm not sure what the
Hello, Neil.
On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 21:27:05 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 22:13:50 +0200, tastytea wrote:
> > > emerge included openrc (the only version of it on my system) in the
> > > packages it planned to remove. It was kind enough to give me a
> > > warning that this
On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 22:13:50 +0200, tastytea wrote:
> > emerge included openrc (the only version of it on my system) in the
> > packages it planned to remove. It was kind enough to give me a
> > warning that this "might" do bad things, but I was somewhat shocked
> > to see it there at all. I
On 2021-07-21 20:06+ Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> Hello, Gentoo.
>
> As prompted after the recent perl update, I did # emerge --depclean
> -va.
>
> emerge included openrc (the only version of it on my system) in the
> packages it planned to remove. It was kind enough to give me a
> warning
Hello, Gentoo.
As prompted after the recent perl update, I did # emerge --depclean -va.
emerge included openrc (the only version of it on my system) in the
packages it planned to remove. It was kind enough to give me a warning
that this "might" do bad things, but I was somewhat shocked to see
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