Re: [gentoo-user] $LINGUAS question
On Friday 23 May 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 23 May 2008 17:02:19 +0100, Mick wrote: Despite my LINGUAS settings I have noticed that kcontrol only shows US English under languages. Country Region allows me to select UK, but the only option that I have/can add under languages is US. Spelling is en_US, although I would like to choose en_UK. What control what languages can be added there? emerge kde-i18n Just as was ready to reply I already have I found out that I have not . . . Ha! Thank you very much. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] $LINGUAS question
On Sat, 24 May 2008 07:17:35 +0100, Mick wrote: emerge kde-i18n Just as was ready to reply I already have I found out that I have not . . . Ha! I wonder if it should be a dependency of kdelibs if $LINGUAS is set to anything but en_US. -- Neil Bothwick We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] $LINGUAS question
2008/5/22 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 03:13:44PM +0100, Uwe Thiem wrote: Does it matter in which order languages are emerged? Mplayer emerge says it uses the first one as the default language, and one firefox emerge showed all help menus etc in some non-English language. Wheteher anything else cares, I do not know. Despite my LINGUAS settings I have noticed that kcontrol only shows US English under languages. Country Region allows me to select UK, but the only option that I have/can add under languages is US. Spelling is en_US, although I would like to choose en_UK. What control what languages can be added there? -- Regards, Mick -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] $LINGUAS question
On Fri, 23 May 2008 17:02:19 +0100, Mick wrote: Despite my LINGUAS settings I have noticed that kcontrol only shows US English under languages. Country Region allows me to select UK, but the only option that I have/can add under languages is US. Spelling is en_US, although I would like to choose en_UK. What control what languages can be added there? emerge kde-i18n -- Neil Bothwick A wok is what you throw at a wabbit. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] $LINGUAS question
On Monday 19 May 2008, Michał 'shpaq' Laszuk wrote: Dnia 2008-05-18, nie o godzinie 23:02 +0100, Graham Murray pisze: Michał 'shpaq' Laszuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The LINGUAS variable should be only en. en_US is a localization. In that case why do packages such as mozilla-firefox support (amongst others) linguas_en, linguas_en_GB and linguas_en_US? They use the LINGUAS variable to select which localised language packs to install. So 'LINGUAS=en_US en' is perfectly valid. You're right. My fault. Mine has been set to LINGUAS=en_GB el for many years now, but mplayer still shows up with scrambled characters on the terminal (aterm/rxvt). However, when rebuilt like: LINGUAS=en_US emerge -DV mplayer no more scrambled messages! This tells me that mplayer's translations are partial to the particular LINGUAS flags and probably affected by what character sets your terminal can show. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] $LINGUAS question
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:26:58AM +0100, Mick wrote: Mine has been set to LINGUAS=en_GB el for many years now, but mplayer still shows up with scrambled characters on the terminal (aterm/rxvt). However, when rebuilt like: LINGUAS=en_US emerge -DV mplayer no more scrambled messages! This tells me that mplayer's translations are partial to the particular LINGUAS flags and probably affected by what character sets your terminal can show. I have also found that when LINGUAS is set to multiple values, emerge -pv sorts them when it shwos what it would do: # LINGUAS=en_US en_GB en emerge -pv --nospinner mozilla-firefox-bin These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies ... done! [ebuild U ] www-client/mozilla-firefox-bin-3.0_rc1 [3.0_beta5-r1] USE=-restrict-javascript LINGUAS=en en_GB en_US 0 kB Total: 1 package (1 upgrade), Size of downloads: 0 kB Whether or not this reported order is what it actually uses, I don't know and don't know how to find out. -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman rocket surgeon / [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license #4933 I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] $LINGUAS question
On Wednesday 21 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:26:58AM +0100, Mick wrote: Mine has been set to LINGUAS=en_GB el for many years now, but mplayer still shows up with scrambled characters on the terminal (aterm/rxvt). However, when rebuilt like: LINGUAS=en_US emerge -DV mplayer no more scrambled messages! This tells me that mplayer's translations are partial to the particular LINGUAS flags and probably affected by what character sets your terminal can show. I have also found that when LINGUAS is set to multiple values, emerge -pv sorts them when it shwos what it would do: # LINGUAS=en_US en_GB en emerge -pv --nospinner mozilla-firefox-bin These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies ... done! [ebuild U ] www-client/mozilla-firefox-bin-3.0_rc1 [3.0_beta5-r1] USE=-restrict-javascript LINGUAS=en en_GB en_US 0 kB Total: 1 package (1 upgrade), Size of downloads: 0 kB Whether or not this reported order is what it actually uses, I don't know and don't know how to find out. Does it matter in which order languages are emerged? Uwe -- Ignorance killed the cat, sir, curiosity was framed! -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] $LINGUAS question
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 03:13:44PM +0100, Uwe Thiem wrote: Does it matter in which order languages are emerged? Mplayer emerge says it uses the first one as the default language, and one firefox emerge showed all help menus etc in some non-English language. Wheteher anything else cares, I do not know. -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman rocket surgeon / [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license #4933 I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] $LINGUAS question
On Sun, 18 May 2008 16:28:07 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LINGUAS is a system-wide setting, it does not make choices for individual users, but it does control their range of choice. Well, nice theory :-) but mplayer emerge says this -- LOG: setup For MPlayer's language support, the configuration will use your LINGUAS variable from /etc/make.conf. If you have more than one language enabled, then the first one in the list will be used to output the messages, if a translation is available. man pages will be created for all languages where translations are also available. and it certainly does not use the first one in the list. Either you already have a different setting in your local or global mplayer configuration (emerging previously with a different LINGUAS could cause this) or you have found a bug. -- Neil Bothwick Shotgun wedding: A case of wife or death. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] $LINGUAS question
On 19 May 2008, at 00:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I have had bad luck with LINGUAS. I tried setting it to all the languages I knew of -- LINGUAS=en_US af ar az bg bn br bs ca cs cy da de el en_GB eo es et eu fa fi fr fy ga gl he hi hr hu is it ja km ko lt lv mk mn ms nb nds nl nn pa pl pt pt_BR ro ru rw se sk sl sr [EMAIL PROTECTED] ss sv ta tg tr uk uz zh_CN zh_TW out of curiousity, and mplayer, for one, picks something other than en_US as the default -- all error messages come out like this -- AO: [oss] 44100Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample) ÐапоÑва вÑзпÑоизвежданеÑо... [h264 @ 0xb049c0]brainfart cropping not supported, this could look slightly wrong ... VDec: заÑвка на vo config - 480 x 360 (preferred csp: Planar YV12) VDec: using Planar YV12 as output csp (no 0) ÐÑопоÑÑииÑе на Ñилма Ñа 1.33:1 - маÑабиÑане Ð ´Ð¾ пÑавилниÑе пÑопоÑÑии . VO: [xv] 480x360 = 480x360 Planar YV12 A: 2.2 V: 2.2 A-V: 0.005 ct: 0.023 0/ 0 10% 2% 1.9% 1 0 Ðзлизане Ð¾Ñ Ð¿ÑогÑамаÑа... (ÐзÑод) ... On 19 May 2008, at 00:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, nice theory :-) but mplayer emerge says this -- LOG: setup For MPlayer's language support, the configuration will use your LINGUAS variable from /etc/make.conf. If you have more than one language enabled, then the first one in the list will be used to output the messages, if a translation is available. man pages will be created for all languages where translations are also available. My guess is that you should be using en only, not en_US or en_GB for mplayer. When it finds no en in your LINGUAS - and doesn't understand en_US - it uses the next in the list, instead (af? ar?). I'd have thought that languages should be put in LINGUAS in order of preference - eg en_GB en_US en then the rest. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] $LINGUAS question
Dnia 2008-05-18, nie o godzinie 23:02 +0100, Graham Murray pisze: Michał 'shpaq' Laszuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The LINGUAS variable should be only en. en_US is a localization. In that case why do packages such as mozilla-firefox support (amongst others) linguas_en, linguas_en_GB and linguas_en_US? They use the LINGUAS variable to select which localised language packs to install. So 'LINGUAS=en_US en' is perfectly valid. You're right. My fault. -- Nie istnieje bariera nieskończenie ostateczna, Nie istnieje nic, co nie może się zmienić. signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo
[gentoo-user] $LINGUAS question
I only need English support, but USan English is preferred. I have in make.conf LINGUAS=en_US en thinking that if an app supports en_US that will be used since it's first. Is that the way it works? I guess this is just a trivia question -- I don't even know if there are apps which could use en_US /and/ en. -- »Q« Kleeneness is next to Gödelness. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] $LINGUAS question
Dnia 2008-05-18, nie o godzinie 15:07 -0500, »Q« pisze: ng that if an app supports en_US that will be used since it's first. Is that the way it works? The LINGUAS variable should be only en. en_US is a localization. -- Nie istnieje bariera nieskończenie ostateczna, Nie istnieje nic, co nie może się zmienić. signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo
Re: [gentoo-user] $LINGUAS question
Michał 'shpaq' Laszuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The LINGUAS variable should be only en. en_US is a localization. In that case why do packages such as mozilla-firefox support (amongst others) linguas_en, linguas_en_GB and linguas_en_US? They use the LINGUAS variable to select which localised language packs to install. So 'LINGUAS=en_US en' is perfectly valid. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] $LINGUAS question
On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 11:02:07PM +0100, Graham Murray wrote: Micha?? 'shpaq' Laszuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The LINGUAS variable should be only en. en_US is a localization. In that case why do packages such as mozilla-firefox support (amongst others) linguas_en, linguas_en_GB and linguas_en_US? They use the LINGUAS variable to select which localised language packs to install. So 'LINGUAS=en_US en' is perfectly valid. I have had bad luck with LINGUAS. I tried setting it to all the languages I knew of -- LINGUAS=en_US af ar az bg bn br bs ca cs cy da de el en_GB eo es et eu fa fi fr fy ga gl he hi hr hu is it ja km ko lt lv mk mn ms nb nds nl nn pa pl pt pt_BR ro ru rw se sk sl sr [EMAIL PROTECTED] ss sv ta tg tr uk uz zh_CN zh_TW out of curiousity, and mplayer, for one, picks something other than en_US as the default -- all error messages come out like this -- AO: [oss] 44100Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample) ???... [h264 @ 0xb049c0]brainfart cropping not supported, this could look slightly wrong ... VDec: ??? vo config - 480 x 360 (preferred csp: Planar YV12) VDec: using Planar YV12 as output csp (no 0) ? ? ??? 1.33:1 - ?? ?? ??? . VO: [xv] 480x360 = 480x360 Planar YV12 A: 2.2 V: 2.2 A-V: 0.005 ct: 0.023 0/ 0 10% 2% 1.9% 1 0 ??? ??? ?... () If I remerge it with LINGUAS=en_US, it shows this: AO: [oss] 44100Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample) Starting playback... [h264 @ 0xb00a40]brainfart cropping not supported, this could look slightly wrong ... VDec: vo config request - 480 x 360 (preferred colorspace: Planar YV12) VDec: using Planar YV12 as output csp (no 0) Movie-Aspect is 1.33:1 - prescaling to correct movie aspect. VO: [xv] 480x360 = 480x360 Planar YV12 A: 5.1 V: 5.1 A-V: -0.000 ct: 0.023 0/ 0 10% 1% 1.2% 1 0 Exiting... (Quit) One merge of firefox beta picked some language other then en for its messages, menus, etc. What is LINGUAS supposed to do? -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman rocket surgeon / [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license #4933 I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] $LINGUAS question
On Sun, 18 May 2008 16:02:25 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is LINGUAS supposed to do? Tell portage which languages you want support for when building an application. It does not set the default language for that application, which is either handled by the locale environment variables or the program's own settings. LINGUAS is a system-wide setting, it does not make choices for individual users, but it does control their range of choice. -- Neil Bothwick If your VCR still flashes 12:00 - then Linux is not for you. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] $LINGUAS question
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 12:22:45AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 18 May 2008 16:02:25 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is LINGUAS supposed to do? Tell portage which languages you want support for when building an application. It does not set the default language for that application, which is either handled by the locale environment variables or the program's own settings. LINGUAS is a system-wide setting, it does not make choices for individual users, but it does control their range of choice. Well, nice theory :-) but mplayer emerge says this -- LOG: setup For MPlayer's language support, the configuration will use your LINGUAS variable from /etc/make.conf. If you have more than one language enabled, then the first one in the list will be used to output the messages, if a translation is available. man pages will be created for all languages where translations are also available. and it certainly does not use the first one in the list. -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman rocket surgeon / [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license #4933 I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] $LINGUAS question
On Sonntag, 18. Mai 2008, »Q« wrote: I only need English support, but USan English is preferred. I have in make.conf LINGUAS=en_US en thinking that if an app supports en_US that will be used since it's first. Is that the way it works? no. It installs the en_US and en language files. Set something like LC_ALL=en_US -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
