Re: [gentoo-user] Goodbye to gentoo?
Hello! On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:44:20 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: You need to edit the file to remove duplicates and redundant mirrors (I can usually do it inside emacs in two minutes or less), and then check what files you already have in /usr/portage/distfiles (with a tiny bash script). You get the list of files you need, and only select those from the list of URLs, and then you have the files you need to download. You go back to the wi-fi cafe, download the files on a USB drive, and return home to put them on /usr/portage/distfiles. And then you can upgrade world. I just wanted to note that it may be unnecessary to edit a list of files in editor to remove the extra mirrors. I usually do: cat files-to-fetch.lst | cut -d -f1 | wget -c -i - and it downloads only using the first mirror for every file. It doesn't check for the existing files though. So it depends on the situation. I use my broadband Internet connection at work to fetch any number of files for my home PC. So it doesn't matter for me whether I download some files that I already have, but it may be important in your case. Perhaps, it would be useful if emerge had such a feature - to generate a list of files that do really need to be downloaded. Regards, Vladimir - v...@ukr.net
Re: [gentoo-user] Goodbye to gentoo?
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 22:44:33 -0600, Maxim Wexler wrote: route -n shows nothing except ppp0 (this is from ubuntu, but it was the same for gentoo when it was working) root@gnubu:~# route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0 00 ppp0 161.184.0.199 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 00 ppp0 Why show us what it was when it worked? What does route -n show from your broken Gentoo now? -- Neil Bothwick Shotgun wedding: A case of wife or death. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Goodbye to gentoo?
cat files-to-fetch.lst | cut -d -f1 | wget -c -i - I know how to generate a fetch list and wget the files. The problem is syncing portage on another machine, my netbook, ubuntu-based. Or maybe, I could boot sysresc on the netbook. It's gentoo based IIRC and do a re-sync back home as per C P Valdes.
Re: [gentoo-user] Goodbye to gentoo?
Why show us what it was when it worked? What does route -n show from your broken Gentoo now? -- Neil Bothwick Good question. Heading over there now. So if I can't get it working there's gonna have to be some awkward shuttling back and forth.
Re: [gentoo-user] Goodbye to gentoo?
Hello, On Sun, 18 Mar 2012, Maxim Wexler wrote: root@gnubu:~# route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0 00 ppp0 161.184.0.199 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0 00 ppp0 I'm on a Suse ATM[1], but as I do my networking config by hand that should not matter. Above looks wrong. It should look like: # route -n 161.184.0.199 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0 00 ppp0 [or:161.184.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 ppp0] 0.0.0.0 161.184.0.199 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 ppp0 ^ ^ your ppp assigned P-t-P gateway flag So, have a look at how the route gets set. Manually, a # route del default # route add default gw 161.184.0.199 should suffice. Don't know the 'ip' syntax, but luckily that doesn't matter, as both commands just push stuff to the kernel ;) Looking at my much outdated gentoo's /etc/conf.d/net.eth0, that'd have to be in your /etc/conf.d/ppp0 (or current equivalent) routes_ppp0=( default via 161.184.0.199 ) mtu_ppp0=1492 No idea at all how this is handled with dialup on gentoo. When I still used dialup (10 years ago, IIRC?), I used wvdial, since then, I used my own shell-scripts for DSL calling ifconfig/pppd (with pppoe at first). The scripts/config-files should still be somewhere on disk ;) If in doubt, do as I do, write your own script containing the relevant commands to get your internet up and running. Even if it'll just be for future reference in case of trouble. (also from the ubuntu side) root@gnubu:~# ifconfig ppp0 ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:161.184.44.73 P-t-P:161.184.0.199 Mask:255.255.255.255 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 That MTU is IIRC too big for PPP. Change that to 1492 or less. RX packets:5867 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:6439 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:3 RX bytes:1694892 (1.6 MB) TX bytes:746705 (746.7 KB) That looks like an established connection (despite the MTU) to the gateway, as well as you said there a dns got assigned. -dnh [1] not enough time to tweak two systems on my main box -- Me? No, why me? She's much more interesting. An enigma wrapped up in a riddle with a tail in the middle.-- Harper about Trance Gemini -- Andromeda 1x14 - Harper 2.0
Re: [gentoo-user] Goodbye to gentoo?
Hello! On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 08:26:21 -0600 Maxim Wexler maxim.wex...@gmail.com wrote: ... The problem is syncing portage on another machine, my netbook, ubuntu-based. You could just download the portage snapshot and unpack it on your Gentoo machine. Regards, - v...@ukr.net
[gentoo-user] Goodbye to gentoo?
I like gentoo; there's a steep learning curve but after you pass that it just clicks. As difficult as it ever became there was always an answer to be found, on a blog, irc, documentaiton... But I might have to give up on gentoo if I can't find a way to fix this latest difficulty. I live in the hinterland where there is no broadband. I have to make do with a dialup modem over ~10mi of copper wire. Now I find I can no longer dialup the internet using ppp command #pon isp. The modem lights come on and the log says the DNS have been all been assigned. status=0x0. But I can't ping out. 'Host unreachable'. As slow as my connection is, I've always been able to sync portage and use bash to write a link file which I can download at the free wifi in town. Now I can't even do that. I suspect this has something to do with the openrc which seems to be steadily improving.. There are no error msgs other than the ping error above. I'm sure this is gentoo specific because it doesn't affect the Ubuntu side of my pc(yet ;().where I'm typing this. In ubuntu I have to rmmod my wifi and ethn drivers or the same thing happens: modem lights up, log says everything fine, but no internet. Once every other bit of net hardware comes down, the web is reachable. This USED to be the case for gentoo as well, but now, even that doesn't help. The landline gets no respect. Now gmail is making angry noises cause I won't give them my mobile number. But I don't have one. There isn't even coverage out here. Broadband and dialup used to get along but those days seem to be gone. Hope somebody can see a way out. MW
Re: [gentoo-user] Goodbye to gentoo?
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Maxim Wexler maxim.wex...@gmail.com wrote: I like gentoo; there's a steep learning curve but after you pass that it just clicks. As difficult as it ever became there was always an answer to be found, on a blog, irc, documentaiton... But I might have to give up on gentoo if I can't find a way to fix this latest difficulty. I live in the hinterland where there is no broadband. I have to make do with a dialup modem over ~10mi of copper wire. Now I find I can no longer dialup the internet using ppp command #pon isp. The modem lights come on and the log says the DNS have been all been assigned. status=0x0. But I can't ping out. 'Host unreachable'. As slow as my connection is, I've always been able to sync portage and use bash to write a link file which I can download at the free wifi in town. Now I can't even do that. I suspect this has something to do with the openrc which seems to be steadily improving.. There are no error msgs other than the ping error above. I'm sure this is gentoo specific because it doesn't affect the Ubuntu side of my pc(yet ;().where I'm typing this. In ubuntu I have to rmmod my wifi and ethn drivers or the same thing happens: modem lights up, log says everything fine, but no internet. Once every other bit of net hardware comes down, the web is reachable. This USED to be the case for gentoo as well, but now, even that doesn't help. The landline gets no respect. Now gmail is making angry noises cause I won't give them my mobile number. But I don't have one. There isn't even coverage out here. Broadband and dialup used to get along but those days seem to be gone. Hope somebody can see a way out. This is far from ideal, but I have been able to work around situations like this. You need to rsync the portage tree by hand to a USB drive in the wi-fi cafe, and then rsync again by hand in your house. Then, you run: emerge --metadata Then, you get the list of URLs you need to download to emerge world: emerge -uDNvfp world urls You need to edit the file to remove duplicates and redundant mirrors (I can usually do it inside emacs in two minutes or less), and then check what files you already have in /usr/portage/distfiles (with a tiny bash script). You get the list of files you need, and only select those from the list of URLs, and then you have the files you need to download. You go back to the wi-fi cafe, download the files on a USB drive, and return home to put them on /usr/portage/distfiles. And then you can upgrade world. It sucks, since you need to drive twice to the wi-fi cafe, but it works. Hope it helps. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] Goodbye to gentoo?
On Sun, 2012-03-18 at 18:36 -0600, Maxim Wexler wrote: I like gentoo; there's a steep learning curve but after you pass that it just clicks. As difficult as it ever became there was always an answer to be found, on a blog, irc, documentaiton... But I might have to give up on gentoo if I can't find a way to fix this latest difficulty. I live in the hinterland where there is no broadband. I have to make do with a dialup modem over ~10mi of copper wire. Now I find I can no longer dialup the internet using ppp command #pon isp. The modem lights come on and the log says the DNS have been all been assigned. status=0x0. But I can't ping out. 'Host unreachable'. As slow as my connection is, I've always been able to sync portage and use bash to write a link file which I can download at the free wifi in town. Now I can't even do that. I suspect this has something to do with the openrc which seems to be steadily improving.. There are no error msgs other than the ping error above. I'm sure this is gentoo specific because it doesn't affect the Ubuntu side of my pc(yet ;().where I'm typing this. In ubuntu I have to rmmod my wifi and ethn drivers or the same thing happens: modem lights up, log says everything fine, but no internet. Once every other bit of net hardware comes down, the web is reachable. This USED to be the case for gentoo as well, but now, even that doesn't help. The landline gets no respect. Now gmail is making angry noises cause I won't give them my mobile number. But I don't have one. There isn't even coverage out here. Broadband and dialup used to get along but those days seem to be gone. Hope somebody can see a way out. MW Hi Maxim, what changed when the modem stopped working? Also can you supply the output of the route -n and ifconfig commands to give us a chance of seeing if anything has gone adrift there. Also if you are using (and have tested that its not the problem) any firewall running. When I was on dialup, routing (issues) was always a problem and if your modem comes up and ppp is working (i.e., dns has been assigned) this is a possibility. BillK
Re: [gentoo-user] Goodbye to gentoo?
On Mar 19, 2012 8:51 AM, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: On Sun, 2012-03-18 at 18:36 -0600, Maxim Wexler wrote: I like gentoo; there's a steep learning curve but after you pass that it just clicks. As difficult as it ever became there was always an answer to be found, on a blog, irc, documentaiton... But I might have to give up on gentoo if I can't find a way to fix this latest difficulty. I live in the hinterland where there is no broadband. I have to make do with a dialup modem over ~10mi of copper wire. Now I find I can no longer dialup the internet using ppp command #pon isp. The modem lights come on and the log says the DNS have been all been assigned. status=0x0. But I can't ping out. 'Host unreachable'. As slow as my connection is, I've always been able to sync portage and use bash to write a link file which I can download at the free wifi in town. Now I can't even do that. I suspect this has something to do with the openrc which seems to be steadily improving.. There are no error msgs other than the ping error above. I'm sure this is gentoo specific because it doesn't affect the Ubuntu side of my pc(yet ;().where I'm typing this. In ubuntu I have to rmmod my wifi and ethn drivers or the same thing happens: modem lights up, log says everything fine, but no internet. Once every other bit of net hardware comes down, the web is reachable. This USED to be the case for gentoo as well, but now, even that doesn't help. The landline gets no respect. Now gmail is making angry noises cause I won't give them my mobile number. But I don't have one. There isn't even coverage out here. Broadband and dialup used to get along but those days seem to be gone. Hope somebody can see a way out. MW Hi Maxim, what changed when the modem stopped working? Also can you supply the output of the route -n and ifconfig commands to give us a chance of seeing if anything has gone adrift there. Also if you are using (and have tested that its not the problem) any firewall running. When I was on dialup, routing (issues) was always a problem and if your modem comes up and ppp is working (i.e., dns has been assigned) this is a possibility. BillK Hmmm... This happening after openrc upgrade? Can you post the contents of /etc/conf.d/net also? Rgds,
Re: [gentoo-user] Goodbye to gentoo?
On March 18, 2012 at 8:36 PM Maxim Wexler maxim.wex...@gmail.com wrote: Hope somebody can see a way out. MW I'd probably swap my computer shop and all it's latest-and-greatest to live where you are, and leave all the computers, 'smart' phones, etc. in town. Just me, the wife, the daughter, horses, chickens ... you get the picture. -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco Drive( \ Tupelo, MS 38801^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Goodbye to gentoo?
Hi Maxim, what changed when the modem stopped working? Dunno Also can you supply the output of the route -n and ifconfig commands to give us a chance of seeing if anything has gone adrift there. Also if you are using (and have tested that its not the problem) any firewall running. I don't use the /etc/conf.d/net file. Also all net hotplug services are turned of in rc.conf. route -n shows nothing except ppp0 (this is from ubuntu, but it was the same for gentoo when it was working) root@gnubu:~# route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0 00 ppp0 161.184.0.199 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0 00 ppp0 (also from the ubuntu side) root@gnubu:~# ifconfig ppp0 ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:161.184.44.73 P-t-P:161.184.0.199 Mask:255.255.255.255 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:5867 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:6439 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:3 RX bytes:1694892 (1.6 MB) TX bytes:746705 (746.7 KB) ifconfig eth0 and wlan0 are empty because I rmmod'd the drivers. I only use them when talking to the router or another pc on a lan, I set them up manually and take them down when not in use. Otherwise the web is unreachable. This true for Ubuntu and gentoo. There is no firewall as far as I know. MW
Re: [gentoo-user] Goodbye to gentoo?
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:44 AM, Maxim Wexler maxim.wex...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Maxim, what changed when the modem stopped working? Dunno Also can you supply the output of the route -n and ifconfig commands to give us a chance of seeing if anything has gone adrift there. Also if you are using (and have tested that its not the problem) any firewall running. I don't use the /etc/conf.d/net file. Also all net hotplug services are turned of in rc.conf. route -n shows nothing except ppp0 (this is from ubuntu, but it was the same for gentoo when it was working) root@gnubu:~# route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0 00 ppp0 161.184.0.199 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0 00 ppp0 I am too young to know the details of dial-up, but going on the assumption that it uses DHCP or something similar, that last line is definitely a problem. In order for packets to reach an outside network, they need to know where to go. This may be your local router or a router from your ISP. Regardless of the configuration, with a gateway of 0.0.0.0, any packets with a destination on the internet will never get there. Because you experience this problem under both Gentoo and Ubuntu, it sounds like an issue elsewhere. Does the other computer on your LAN have a problem accessing the internet? - Matt
Re: [gentoo-user] Goodbye to gentoo?
On Sun, 2012-03-18 at 22:44 -0600, Maxim Wexler wrote: Hi Maxim, what changed when the modem stopped working? Dunno Also can you supply the output of the route -n and ifconfig commands to give us a chance of seeing if anything has gone adrift there. Also if you are using (and have tested that its not the problem) any firewall running. I don't use the /etc/conf.d/net file. Also all net hotplug services are turned of in rc.conf. route -n shows nothing except ppp0 (this is from ubuntu, but it was the same for gentoo when it was working) root@gnubu:~# route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0 00 ppp0 161.184.0.199 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0 00 ppp0 (also from the ubuntu side) root@gnubu:~# ifconfig ppp0 ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:161.184.44.73 P-t-P:161.184.0.199 Mask:255.255.255.255 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:5867 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:6439 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:3 RX bytes:1694892 (1.6 MB) TX bytes:746705 (746.7 KB) ifconfig eth0 and wlan0 are empty because I rmmod'd the drivers. I only use them when talking to the router or another pc on a lan, I set them up manually and take them down when not in use. Otherwise the web is unreachable. This true for Ubuntu and gentoo. There is no firewall as far as I know. MW The last route looks correct ... the wildcard might or might not be. Try and remove it and add a normal default route. Look up the route command if not familiar with the how. Just a comment, when ignoring the networking files in an operating system to do it yourself manually, dont be surprised if YOU have broken something. I usually do my own thing too as I am not impressed with the way gentoo handles its networking, though under openrc its better. BillK
