Re: [gentoo-user] Install Windows XP on Gentoo Laptop
On Sat, 3 May 2008 10:44:01 +0100 Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2 May 2008, at 19:03, Mark Knecht wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Michael Higgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Saw a similar thread, going the wrong way.) I have a laptop with a spare partition waiting for WinXP, to install from Dell OEM disks that came originally. I would be very careful about installing from OEM disks. My HP OEM disks will actually blow ALL the partitions on the drive away, repartition and reformat the whole drive back to the way it was shipped from the factory. What he said. Better if you can find a regular retail copy of XP. Better if he can find a regular _OEM_ copy of XP. Note that in the case of this HP Vista license it only works with the OEM install. The license is no good with a normal copy of Vista. Right. Same with XP. [8] The OEM license numbers don't work with a retail installation CD vice-versa. So what Michael needs is a Microsoft-branded OEM installation CD. These work with any OEM license number (even if the sticker says Dell or HP on it), as long as the Home / Professional versioning is correct. I would suggest - as long as you live in Sweden - the famous 9-in-1 OEM CD, from your favourite swashbuckling sea-dog. Ar, me hearties! This be perfectly legal because the the sticker on the underside of the the laptop is the license for XP, not the CD itself. Stroller. Thanks to you folks for all the great info. Just happen to have an OEM copy of XP Pro kicking about and a sticker on the bottom of the laptop with a product key for the same. Looks like I'm good to go. Cheers, -- |\ /|| | ~ ~ | \/ ||---| `|` ? ||ichael | |iggins\^ / michael.higgins[at]evolone[dot]org -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Install Windows XP on Gentoo Laptop
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Michael Higgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 3 May 2008 10:44:01 +0100 Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP I would suggest - as long as you live in Sweden - the famous 9-in-1 OEM CD, from your favourite swashbuckling sea-dog. Ar, me hearties! This be perfectly legal because the the sticker on the underside of the the laptop is the license for XP, not the CD itself. Again, to be careful, make sure that OEM copy has a license number. do not depend on your laptop's install CD's license number ot work. My HP license numbers didn't work with the M$/EOM disks. Thanks to you folks for all the great info. Just happen to have an OEM copy of XP Pro kicking about and a sticker on the bottom of the laptop with a product key for the same. Looks like I'm good to go. Good luck. After backing up my Gentoo laptop install I can confirm that the HP Recovery Disk that comes with the laptop blows the whole disk away and reformats it like it was new from the factory. With this disk anyway there was no way to get Vista onto the disk and save the existing Gentoo install. that will have to be reloaded form backups. Have fun! - Mark -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Install Windows XP on Gentoo Laptop
On Tuesday 06 May 2008, Mark Knecht wrote: Good luck. After backing up my Gentoo laptop install I can confirm that the HP Recovery Disk that comes with the laptop blows the whole disk away and reformats it like it was new from the factory. With this disk anyway there was no way to get Vista onto the disk and save the existing Gentoo install. that will have to be reloaded form backups. Piffle, that's nothing. At least your Windows installer would have given you a prompt. At my last job I got given a brand new Dell notebook with Windows on it. I had it 10 minutes when I took it into my Red Hat course room and switched on. A student was asking questions and I got distracted, so absent-mindedly got into the BIOS setup and changed the boot order. Next time I looked, Windows was *gone* and a full default RHEL 4 install was in place (!). No prompt, no warning, nadda, zip. The absence of Windows was welcome, the absence of a prompt was less so. Then again, I should have known better seeing as the idiot who set up the PXE server originally was me :-) -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Install Windows XP on Gentoo Laptop
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 06 May 2008, Mark Knecht wrote: Good luck. After backing up my Gentoo laptop install I can confirm that the HP Recovery Disk that comes with the laptop blows the whole disk away and reformats it like it was new from the factory. With this disk anyway there was no way to get Vista onto the disk and save the existing Gentoo install. that will have to be reloaded form backups. Piffle, that's nothing. At least your Windows installer would have given you a prompt. I don't follow Alan. The HP recovery disk boots and asks somethng like 'Do you want to restore the disk to the way it was shipped from HP? Answer no and it does nothing. Answer yes and if blows away all partitions, builds two new partitions, and puts the HP image on the disk. I don't follow what you mean? - Mark -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Install Windows XP on Gentoo Laptop
On Tuesday 06 May 2008, Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Alan McKinnon Piffle, that's nothing. At least your Windows installer would have given you a prompt. I don't follow Alan. The HP recovery disk boots and asks somethng like 'Do you want to restore the disk to the way it was shipped from HP? Answer no and it does nothing. Answer yes and if blows away all partitions, builds two new partitions, and puts the HP image on the disk. I don't follow what you mean? His bloody PXE server installed RH silently without ever asking anything. Jeez. It gives me ideas, though. One could do that for Linux as well. But then, Who would have their Windows laptop set to boot from the network first? Still, tempting. ;-) Uwe -- Ignorance killed the cat, sir, curiosity was framed! -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Install Windows XP on Gentoo Laptop
On Tuesday 06 May 2008, Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 06 May 2008, Mark Knecht wrote: Good luck. After backing up my Gentoo laptop install I can confirm that the HP Recovery Disk that comes with the laptop blows the whole disk away and reformats it like it was new from the factory. With this disk anyway there was no way to get Vista onto the disk and save the existing Gentoo install. that will have to be reloaded form backups. Piffle, that's nothing. At least your Windows installer would have given you a prompt. I don't follow Alan. The HP recovery disk boots and asks somethng like 'Do you want to restore the disk to the way it was shipped from HP? Answer no and it does nothing. Answer yes and if blows away all partitions, builds two new partitions, and puts the HP image on the disk. I don't follow what you mean? It's a bizarre joke after a bizarre day :-) The Windows recovery disk at least prompts you to answer yes. The Red Hat PXE server doesn't. The joke's on me - I was the one who installed that PXE server ... -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Install Windows XP on Gentoo Laptop
On Tuesday 06 May 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote: It gives me ideas, though. One could do that for Linux as well. But then, Who would have their Windows laptop set to boot from the network first? Still, tempting. ;-) OK let's see. Wake on LAN tightly coupled to a hacked PXE? I feel a Pinky and The Brain moment coming on... -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Install Windows XP on Gentoo Laptop
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 06 May 2008, Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 06 May 2008, Mark Knecht wrote: Good luck. After backing up my Gentoo laptop install I can confirm that the HP Recovery Disk that comes with the laptop blows the whole disk away and reformats it like it was new from the factory. With this disk anyway there was no way to get Vista onto the disk and save the existing Gentoo install. that will have to be reloaded form backups. Piffle, that's nothing. At least your Windows installer would have given you a prompt. I don't follow Alan. The HP recovery disk boots and asks somethng like 'Do you want to restore the disk to the way it was shipped from HP? Answer no and it does nothing. Answer yes and if blows away all partitions, builds two new partitions, and puts the HP image on the disk. I don't follow what you mean? It's a bizarre joke after a bizarre day :-) The Windows recovery disk at least prompts you to answer yes. The Red Hat PXE server doesn't. The joke's on me - I was the one who installed that PXE server ... OK, thanks to you and Uwe for explaining. - Mark -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Install Windows XP on Gentoo Laptop
On 2 May 2008, at 18:52, Michael Higgins wrote: ... I have a laptop with a spare partition waiting for WinXP, to install from Dell OEM disks that came originally. Is this possible? I understand XP will overwrite the MBR. So, I'd have to re-install grub that's it? '-) See also Mark Knecht's reply to your message (2 May 2008 19:03:38 BDT) and my reply to that (just now). But IME all you need to do, after installing XP losing Grub's MBR is reboot from a Gentoo LiveCD and run the `grub` command, as shown as Code Listing 2.29 of the Gentoo Linux x86 Quick Install Guide. I wouldn't call this installing Grub - as that, to me, implies emerging the rest of Grub, too (and that's not necessary), but I see the Quick Install Guide does. That done, the laptop will boot normally to Gentoo, and you can edit grub.conf to add a chainloader section which points to the appropriate partition. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Install Windows XP on Gentoo Laptop
On 2 May 2008, at 19:03, Mark Knecht wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Michael Higgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Saw a similar thread, going the wrong way.) I have a laptop with a spare partition waiting for WinXP, to install from Dell OEM disks that came originally. I would be very careful about installing from OEM disks. My HP OEM disks will actually blow ALL the partitions on the drive away, repartition and reformat the whole drive back to the way it was shipped from the factory. What he said. Better if you can find a regular retail copy of XP. Better if he can find a regular _OEM_ copy of XP. Note that in the case of this HP Vista license it only works with the OEM install. The license is no good with a normal copy of Vista. Right. Same with XP. Basically Microsoft sell XP in a glossy box on the shelves of PC World, and they also sell it a cardboard sleeve which is licensed for OEM use only; if you're Bob's Computers you can buy these singly and it comes with a sticker to stick on the computer's case, just like the license stickers you see on a brand new Compaq or HP. Although the likes of Dell, HP Packard Hell may make their own reinstall CDs (which we surely can't trust not to mess up the partitions), this isn't a realistic proposition for Bob's Computers - but don't worry, Microsoft make an install CD for him and supply it in the single-pack version of XP OEM. The OEM license numbers don't work with a retail installation CD vice-versa. So what Michael needs is a Microsoft-branded OEM installation CD. These work with any OEM license number (even if the sticker says Dell or HP on it), as long as the Home / Professional versioning is correct. I would suggest - as long as you live in Sweden - the famous 9-in-1 OEM CD, from your favourite swashbuckling sea-dog. Ar, me hearties! This be perfectly legal because the the sticker on the underside of the the laptop is the license for XP, not the CD itself. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Install Windows XP on Gentoo Laptop
(Saw a similar thread, going the wrong way.) I have a laptop with a spare partition waiting for WinXP, to install from Dell OEM disks that came originally. Is this possible? I understand XP will overwrite the MBR. So, I'd have to re-install grub that's it? '-) Cheers, -- |\ /|| | ~ ~ | \/ ||---| `|` ? ||ichael | |iggins\^ / michael.higgins[at]evolone[dot]org -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Install Windows XP on Gentoo Laptop
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Michael Higgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Saw a similar thread, going the wrong way.) I have a laptop with a spare partition waiting for WinXP, to install from Dell OEM disks that came originally. Is this possible? I understand XP will overwrite the MBR. So, I'd have to re-install grub that's it? '-) Cheers, -- |\ /|| | ~ ~ | \/ ||---| `|` ? ||ichael | |iggins\^ / michael.higgins[at]evolone[dot]org I would be very careful about installing from OEM disks. My HP OEM disks will actually blow ALL the partitions on the drive away, repartition and reformat the whole drive back to the way it was shipped from the factory. Better if you can find a regular retail copy of XP. Note that in the case of this HP Vista license it only works with the OEM install. The license is no good with a normal copy of Vista. The other issue I'm having right now is that XP is installed and the machine boots just fine but a 2001 XP disk doesn't have drivers to enable networking support so the machine cannot get to the net for updates. I think now I'll start on the Gentoo install, get a drive set up that the XP partition can see (small FAT or NTFS drive) and then use Gentoo to get the drivers onto the system so that XP can start working. You might not have that problem with your OEM disk as they certainly have the right drivers for your hardware. Hope this helps, Mark -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
