Re: [gentoo-user] KDE apps, with minimal KDE install
On Sunday 22 November 2009 20:29:02 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sunday 22 November 2009 20:37:19 Mick wrote: On Sunday 22 November 2009 17:28:24 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sunday 22 November 2009 10:33:41 Mick wrote: I have been trying to get rid of akonadi in vane and have run out of flags to take out. You can't get rid of akonadi, at least not the server. It's a hard dependency of kdepimlibs. Currently, you can switch it off, but you can't avoid having it. I don't mean to hijack the OP's thread, but why would it be that although I have switched the darned thing off, it still keeps popping up every time I start kmail? Because you have akonadi backends configured in your KDE resources. Start systemsettings, it's on the advanced tab, delete the akonadi ones are replace them with native resources that go direct to the same files. At long last!!! I think I fixed this bloody nuisance! :-D As I mentioned sometime ago I have replaced all resources with native files stored in my ~/.kde4/share/apps, so this wasn't the problem. This is the solution I came up with: I edited my ~/.config/akonadi/akonadiserverrc and added QSQLITE for the driver's name under [%General]. This field was empty. Until that moment the akonadiserverrc file only had a [QMYSQL] section - no other databases/drivers were present. Restarting Kmail after the above change launched akonadi with its slow progress bar as always, but this time the KDE migrator managed to successfully register my native resource files for contacts, alarms, notes, etc. Checking the akonadiserverrc file I found a new section for [QSQLITE] below the original [QMYSQL]: === [%General] Driver=QSQLITE SizeThreshold=4096 ExternalPayload=false [QMYSQL] StartServer=false ServerPath=/usr/bin/sqlite3 Name=akonadi Host= User= Password= Options= [QSQLITE] Name=/home/michael/.local/share/akonadi/akonadi.db User= Password= Options= StartServer=false [Debug] Tracer=null === I haven't rebooted yet, but restarting kmail gives no more problems with akonadi. Either akonadi does not run, or if it does it causes no more delays. I assume that the delays were occurring because akonadi was trying to migrate old resource data, but would not it seems be prepared to accept the sqlite driver. Some gentle persuasion with the akonadiserverrc sqlite driver was all that was needed. ;-) I hope this helps others who like me do not need/want mysql just to run a few KDE applications. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE apps, with minimal KDE install
On Sunday 22 November 2009 03:41:35 sean wrote: Dale wrote: I would also add, watch the USE flags. You may be able to turn some off, that may help as well. Dale Altering some USE flags was a big help. I had been altering them, but finally it worked. I went from over 300 packages down to 32. Would you mind sharing what these flags were. I have been trying to get rid of akonadi in vane and have run out of flags to take out. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE apps, with minimal KDE install
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:41:35PM -0500, sean wrote
Altering some USE flags was a big help. I had been altering them,
but finally it worked. I went from over 300 packages down to 32.
That's one of the reasons I lead off my USE in /etc/make.conf with a
-*, and then enable only what I want/need. Mine is...
USE=-* X a52 aac bzip2 dga exif ffmpeg flac gif jpeg joystick mmx mng mp3 mpeg
nptl nptlonly nsplugin offensive ogg opengl pcf png posix sdl sse sse2 ssse3
theora threads tiff truetype vim-syntax vorbis win32codecs wmf xcomposite xpm
xv xvid zlib
...plus a few application-specific flags in /etc/package.use. There
are also a bunch of flags set in your profile. If you don't negate them
in /etc/make.conf, they get applied. E.g.
/usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/make.defaults has
USE=berkdb crypt ipv6 ncurses nls pam perl python readline ssl tcpd zlib
I don't want want/need ipv6 or nls or pam. I've been starting my USE
with -* since the day the developers in their infinite wisdom
decided to make ipv6 a default setting. Firefox and mplayer and other
apps that accessed the internet ended up sitting doing nothing for 45
seconds, waiting for the ipv6 DNS query to timeout, before sending an
ipv4 query, and doing what they were supposed to do.
The desktop profile has...
USE=a52 aac acpi alsa branding cairo cdr dbus dts dvd dvdr eds emboss
encode evo fam firefox flac gif gnome gpm gstreamer gtk hal jpeg kde ldap
libnotify mad mikmod mp3 mp4 mpeg ogg opengl pdf png ppds qt3support qt4
quicktime sdl spell svg thunar tiff truetype vorbis win32codecs unicode usb X
x264 xml xulrunner xv xvid
# This is added for GNOME/Xfce
USE=${USE} startup-notification
# Adding this for bluetooth support
USE=${USE} bluetooth consolekit
I don't want/need dbus, hal, emboss, fam, gnome, kde, ldap, quicktime,
thunar, startup-notification, bluetooth, or consolekit, thank you.
There may be additional stuff that cascades in by default. Gentoo is
about the user having control, which is why the -*.
--
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE apps, with minimal KDE install
On Sunday 22 November 2009 10:33:41 Mick wrote: On Sunday 22 November 2009 03:41:35 sean wrote: Dale wrote: I would also add, watch the USE flags. You may be able to turn some off, that may help as well. Dale Altering some USE flags was a big help. I had been altering them, but finally it worked. I went from over 300 packages down to 32. Would you mind sharing what these flags were. I have been trying to get rid of akonadi in vane and have run out of flags to take out. You can't get rid of akonadi, at least not the server. It's a hard dependency of kdepimlibs. Currently, you can switch it off, but you can't avoid having it. As to why you can't get rid of it, it has to do with what the KDE devs envisage for KDE-4, all of this is in public statements and blogs from around the time of the release of KDE-4.0. They want to build a totally integrated desktop, where all apps are aware of all other apps (where appropriate of course) and integrate with each other. So you can do things like have a message be received by kopete which fires off a plasma that does $NEAT_STUFF. Or, every PIM app hooks into the same backend store so you can see your mail history with someone in your address book and display it next to their tweets. These are just examples, the point is that KDE wants to give you a framework where other devs can hook this data up in ways not envisioned yet. You can see this vision by looking closely at the so-called pillars of KDE-4 - plasma, semantic desktop, akonadi, nepomuk, strigi, et al. It's not all about flashy eye-candy, it's about connecting information in visual way. To do this, your PIM apps need a common backend storage - akonadi. To find stuff that is semantically linked, you need a search engine - nepomuk and strigi. It is simply not feasible to try and build software that can do this and also offer the feature to switch it all off. You could try and write such software, but it will be as buggy as hell. Given this vision for KDE-4, one must realize that the days of KDE-2 are long gone. KDE is no longer a bunch of apps with a common look and feel, so if you don't want the features of KDE-4, then you should not use KDE-4. Lucky for you, this is Linux and OSS, so there are plenty of other window managers and apps out there to chose from. At least one of them must satisfy your wish for an akonadi-less PIM system -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE apps, with minimal KDE install
On Sunday 22 November 2009 17:28:24 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sunday 22 November 2009 10:33:41 Mick wrote: On Sunday 22 November 2009 03:41:35 sean wrote: Dale wrote: I would also add, watch the USE flags. You may be able to turn some off, that may help as well. Dale Altering some USE flags was a big help. I had been altering them, but finally it worked. I went from over 300 packages down to 32. Would you mind sharing what these flags were. I have been trying to get rid of akonadi in vane and have run out of flags to take out. You can't get rid of akonadi, at least not the server. It's a hard dependency of kdepimlibs. Currently, you can switch it off, but you can't avoid having it. I don't mean to hijack the OP's thread, but why would it be that although I have switched the darned thing off, it still keeps popping up every time I start kmail? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE apps, with minimal KDE install
Mick wrote: I don't mean to hijack the OP's thread, but why would it be that although I have switched the darned thing off, it still keeps popping up every time I start kmail? As the original poster of this thread, have fun, I found my answer, enjoy your discussion.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE apps, with minimal KDE install
On Sunday 22 November 2009 20:37:19 Mick wrote: On Sunday 22 November 2009 17:28:24 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sunday 22 November 2009 10:33:41 Mick wrote: On Sunday 22 November 2009 03:41:35 sean wrote: Dale wrote: I would also add, watch the USE flags. You may be able to turn some off, that may help as well. Dale Altering some USE flags was a big help. I had been altering them, but finally it worked. I went from over 300 packages down to 32. Would you mind sharing what these flags were. I have been trying to get rid of akonadi in vane and have run out of flags to take out. You can't get rid of akonadi, at least not the server. It's a hard dependency of kdepimlibs. Currently, you can switch it off, but you can't avoid having it. I don't mean to hijack the OP's thread, but why would it be that although I have switched the darned thing off, it still keeps popping up every time I start kmail? Because you have akonadi backends configured in your KDE resources. Start systemsettings, it's on the advanced tab, delete the akonadi ones are replace them with native resources that go direct to the same files. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE apps, with minimal KDE install
On Sunday 22 November 2009 20:29:02 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sunday 22 November 2009 20:37:19 Mick wrote: I don't mean to hijack the OP's thread, but why would it be that although I have switched the darned thing off, it still keeps popping up every time I start kmail? Because you have akonadi backends configured in your KDE resources. Start systemsettings, it's on the advanced tab, delete the akonadi ones are replace them with native resources that go direct to the same files. Thanks for the hint! It seems that although I had it configured so, something is not right. In particular kalarm comes up with this error when I click on edit: == Calendar “localdir-resource” cannot be made writable since it either was not created by KAlarm, or was created by a newer version of KAlarm == Trying to start akonadi also complains about: unknown program name(7008)/ main: Unknown resource type: notes unknown program name(7009)/ main: Unknown resource type: alarms This is my knotes local path: $ ls -la /home/michael/.kde4/share/apps/knotes/ total 1 drwx-- 2 michael users 80 Nov 22 22:56 . drwx-- 35 michael users 944 Nov 22 23:07 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 michael users 0 Nov 22 22:56 notes.ics and this is the kalarm: $ ls -la /home/michael/.kde4/share/apps/kalarm/ total 5 drwx-- 2 michael users 80 Nov 22 23:05 . drwx-- 35 michael users 944 Nov 22 23:07 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 michael users 104 Nov 22 23:05 displaying.ics For kalarm I have chosen localdir-resource and the path to the directory is as shown above. No matter what I do in terms of access rights kalarm always retains its Read only setting activated. I deleted it kalarm and then let kalarm to recreate it. Finally I created the directory alarms and tried pointing the resources path to it. No joy. Any suggestions? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] KDE apps, with minimal KDE install
I do not run the KDE desktop here but do like and have used some of their apps, Gwenview and K3B being some examples. Previously I could install the minimum KDE 3 support needed and that was it. It would seem that now in order to install such an app as K3B I have to include the entire KDE 4 desktop. Is this what others are seeing or am I doing something wrong? Thanks Sean
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE apps, with minimal KDE install
you don't have to install full KDE. just emerge the packages you need, for example: emerge -av k3b gwenview it'll bring only the dependencies the packages need, which is not the entire KDE. On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 11:48 PM, sean tech.j...@myfairpoint.net wrote: I do not run the KDE desktop here but do like and have used some of their apps, Gwenview and K3B being some examples. Previously I could install the minimum KDE 3 support needed and that was it. It would seem that now in order to install such an app as K3B I have to include the entire KDE 4 desktop. Is this what others are seeing or am I doing something wrong? Thanks Sean -- Crístian Deives dos Santos Viana [aka CD1]
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE apps, with minimal KDE install
091121 sean wrote: I do not run the KDE desktop here but do like some of their apps, It would seem that now in order to install such an app as K3B I have to include the entire KDE 4 desktop. Is this what others are seeing or am I doing something wrong? Here is my home-made list of the KDE pkgs I have installed: 'W' = 'world' 'for' indicates dependencies. NB I have lots of apps, incl 3 legacy KDE 3 apps, but not the desktop: W 090501 kde-base/kdeartwork-kworldclock-3.5.10 090606 kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6 [ 16 min ] W 080924 kde-base/kmahjongg-3.5.10 W 080924 kde-base/ksokoban-3.5.10 W 090501 kde-base/kworldclock-3.5.10 080924 kde-base/libkdegames-3.5.10 [for kmahjongg etc] 090915 kde-base/automoc-0.9.88 [for kdelibs 4] W 091011 kde-base/dolphin-4.3.1-r1 W 090916 kde-base/gwenview-4.3.1 W 090922 kde-base/kalgebra-4.3.1 W 090919 kde-base/kalzium-4.3.1 W 090918 kde-base/kapman-4.3.1 W 090919 kde-base/katomic-4.3.1 W 090918 kde-base/kate-4.3.1 W 090918 kde-base/kcalc-4.3.1 W 090918 kde-base/kcharselect-4.3.1 090925 kde-base/kcontrol-4.3.1 [for systemsettings] 090915 kde-base/kdebase-data-4.3.1 [for kdelibs] 090916 kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-4.3.1 [for konqueror] 090915 kde-base/kde-env-4.3.1 [for kdelibs] 090915 kde-base/kdelibs-4.3.1 [ 17 min ] 090925 kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.3.1 [for kdnssd] 090916 kde-base/kdesu-4.3.1 [for kdebase-kioslaves] 090916 kde-base/kdialog-4.3.1 [for kdebase-kioslaves] 090925 kde-base/kdnssd-4.3.1 [for kcontrol] W 090918 kde-base/keditbookmarks-4.3.1 090916 kde-base/keditfiletype-4.3.1 [for konqueror] 090916 kde-base/kfind-4.3.1 [for konqueror] 090916 kde-base/kfmclient-4.3.1 [for konqueror] W 090919 kde-base/kgoldrunner-4.3.1 W 090915 kde-base/khelpcenter-4.3.1 090925 kde-base/khotkeys-4.3.1 [for kcontrol] W 090919 kde-base/kig-4.3.1 090916 kde-base/kioclient-4.3.1 [for kfmclient] W 090916 kde-base/kmahjongg-4.3.1 [slot] W 090919 kde-base/kmplot-4.3.1 W 090925 kde-base/knotes-4.3.1 090919 kde-base/knotify-4.3.1 [for kmplot] W 090922 kde-base/kolf-4.3.1 W 090919 kde-base/kolourpaint-4.3.1 W 090916 kde-base/konqueror-4.3.1 W 090915 kde-base/konsole-4.3.1-r1 W 090919 kde-base/kruler-4.3.1 W 090922 kde-base/ksame-4.3.1 W 090918 kde-base/kshisen-4.3.1 W 090918 kde-base/ksnapshot-4.3.1 W 090920 kde-base/kstars-4.3.1 [USE] W 090919 kde-base/ksysguard-4.3.1 090915 kde-base/ktimezoned-4.3.1 [for kdelibs] 090916 kde-base/kurifilter-plugins-4.3.1 [for konqueror] W 090919 kde-base/kwrite-4.3.1 090919 kde-base/libkdeedu-4.3.1 [for kalzium] 090916 kde-base/libkdegames-4.3.1 [slot : for libkmahjongg] 090925 kde-base/libkdepim-4.3.1 [for knotes] 090916 kde-base/libkmahjongg-4.3.1 [for kmahjongg] 090915 kde-base/libknotificationitem-4.3.1 090916 kde-base/libkonq-4.3.1 [for konqueror] 090925 kde-base/libkworkspace-4.3.1 [for khotkeys] W 091113 kde-base/marble-4.3.1 [USE] W 090916 kde-base/okular-4.3.1 090915 kde-base/oxygen-icons-4.3.1 [for kdelibs] 090918 kde-base/pykde4-4.3.1 [for marble] 090915 kde-base/qimageblitz-0.0.4 [for kdebase-data] W 090922 kde-base/step-4.3.1 W 090925 kde-base/systemsettings-4.3.1 W 091030 kde-misc/filelight-1.9_rc3 W 091011 kde-misc/krename-4.0.1 W 090916 kde-misc/krusader-2.0.0-r1 -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE apps, with minimal KDE install
On Sunday 22 November 2009 01:48:59 sean wrote: I do not run the KDE desktop here but do like and have used some of their apps, Gwenview and K3B being some examples. Previously I could install the minimum KDE 3 support needed and that was it. It would seem that now in order to install such an app as K3B I have to include the entire KDE 4 desktop. Is this what others are seeing or am I doing something wrong? No, and yes, in that order. Now, if you were to include some emerge output I might be inclined to change that answer -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE apps, with minimal KDE install
Crístian Viana wrote: you don't have to install full KDE. just emerge the packages you need, for example: emerge -av k3b gwenview it'll bring only the dependencies the packages need, which is not the entire KDE. I would also add, watch the USE flags. You may be able to turn some off, that may help as well. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE apps, with minimal KDE install
Dale wrote: I would also add, watch the USE flags. You may be able to turn some off, that may help as well. Dale Altering some USE flags was a big help. I had been altering them, but finally it worked. I went from over 300 packages down to 32.
