Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.6 with two monitors does not respect boundaries/edges between them
Apparently, though unproven, at 05:50 on Wednesday 18 May 2011, Bill Longman did opine thusly: I don't know if this is considered hijacking this thread or not but I have a similar issue getting my kde to remember its screen layout. Two screens with different resolutions and kde just will NOT remember what I tell it to do. Is there some secret X mojo I have to do to the X configuration files Yes. Delete them. to augment what kde knows about the display geometry? What's more annoying is that I have other machines that have no problem. What's the general consensus for configuring multiple heads? Just go with xorg.conf? Add Monitor sections in xorg.conf.d? Do you have an xorg.conf? I suspect X has correctly figured out what you have and then you turn around and tell it something different. Whereupon it believes you. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.6 with two monitors does not respect boundaries/edges between them
On 05/18/2011 11:53 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Do you have an xorg.conf? I suspect X has correctly figured out what you have and then you turn around and tell it something different. Whereupon it believes you. When I have NO xorg.conf file, KDE starts in clone mode. The 1280x1024 LCD wins and the 1680x1050 gets that same resolution. Or worse still, the widescreen is disabled. I've gone into krandrtray and Systems Settings and, in 4.6 now, can save it as the default. It never does, or, if it really is saving defaults, it is ignored upon next KDE restart.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.6 with two monitors does not respect boundaries/edges between them
On Wednesday 18 May 2011 19:53:38 Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 05:50 on Wednesday 18 May 2011, Bill Longman did opine thusly: I don't know if this is considered hijacking this thread or not but I have a similar issue getting my kde to remember its screen layout. Two screens with different resolutions and kde just will NOT remember what I tell it to do. Is there some secret X mojo I have to do to the X configuration files Yes. Delete them. to augment what kde knows about the display geometry? What's more annoying is that I have other machines that have no problem. What's the general consensus for configuring multiple heads? Just go with xorg.conf? Add Monitor sections in xorg.conf.d? Do you have an xorg.conf? I suspect X has correctly figured out what you have and then you turn around and tell it something different. Whereupon it believes you. Thank you all for your help, Florian's suggestion and Leonardo's confirmation is what worked for me too. Everything is as it was before KDE4.6, except for one thing, the kdm login box shows up on the left hand monitor, and the KDE splash comes up on the right hand monitor after entering the passwd. Previously it was in the middle of the whole virtual desktop and stayed there throughout the KDE startup process. This is more of an observation, rather than a complaint. It seems that the two monitors are separate under KDM and the KDM wallpaper is cloned, but the login box is not. In KDE-4.5.5, during KDM the two monitors behaved as one (xinerama style) and then they split into separate screens after KDE started up. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.6 with two monitors does not respect boundaries/edges between them
Apparently, though unproven, at 21:48 on Wednesday 18 May 2011, Bill Longman did opine thusly: On 05/18/2011 11:53 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Do you have an xorg.conf? I suspect X has correctly figured out what you have and then you turn around and tell it something different. Whereupon it believes you. When I have NO xorg.conf file, KDE starts in clone mode. The 1280x1024 LCD wins and the 1680x1050 gets that same resolution. Or worse still, the widescreen is disabled. I've gone into krandrtray and Systems Settings and, in 4.6 now, can save it as the default. It never does, or, if it really is saving defaults, it is ignored upon next KDE restart. I have a 1920x1200 internal LCD and two different Samsungs (home work), both 1920x1080. I do not have the issues you experience - everything works as it should and has done so for many versions now, with both nvidia and nouveau drivers. This would be a good time to post actual configs. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.6 with two monitors does not respect boundaries/edges between them
On Wednesday 18 May 2011 21:24:17 Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 21:48 on Wednesday 18 May 2011, Bill Longman did opine thusly: On 05/18/2011 11:53 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Do you have an xorg.conf? I suspect X has correctly figured out what you have and then you turn around and tell it something different. Whereupon it believes you. When I have NO xorg.conf file, KDE starts in clone mode. The 1280x1024 LCD wins and the 1680x1050 gets that same resolution. Or worse still, the widescreen is disabled. I've gone into krandrtray and Systems Settings and, in 4.6 now, can save it as the default. It never does, or, if it really is saving defaults, it is ignored upon next KDE restart. I have a 1920x1200 internal LCD and two different Samsungs (home work), both 1920x1080. I do not have the issues you experience - everything works as it should and has done so for many versions now, with both nvidia and nouveau drivers. This would be a good time to post actual configs. ... and following my recent experience start with: euse -i xinerama BTW, I do have an xorg file in which among other things I have defined two monitors: Section Monitor #DisplaySize 360 290 # mm Identifier Monitor0 VendorName NEC ModelNameNEC LCD1860NX HorizSync31.0 - 82.0 VertRefresh 55.0 - 85.0 Option PreferredMode 1280x1024 Option DPMS EndSection Section Monitor #DisplaySize 510 290 # mm Identifier Monitor1 VendorName DEL ModelNameDELL ST2320L HorizSync56.0 - 76.0 VertRefresh 30.0 - 83.0 Option PreferredMode 1920x1080 Option RightOf Monitor0 Option DPMS EndSection and under Section Device I have: Identifier Card0 Driver radeon BusID PCI:1:0:0 Option monitor-VGA-0 Monitor0 Option monitor-DVI-0 Monitor1 but these are historical. I have not tried removing them to see what happens. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] KDE4.6 with two monitors does not respect boundaries/edges between them
It seems that some setting changed from the 4.5 to 4.6 because now the boundaries between the two monitors are no longer respected. Let me try to explain: In KDE4.5 if I were to maximise a window of an application while it was positioned say in the left monitor, it would maximise to occupy all of the real estate in the left monitor only. If the application was in the right monitor, it would maximise to occupy only the right monitor. Also in KDE4.5 moving an application window near the ends of a monitor would snap to the edge even if this was the vertical edge between the two monitors. In KDE4.6 application windows maximise across both screens and there's no snapping into the edge at the middle. Finally, I can no longer set different wallpapers for the two monitors. Is there some setting I could use to fix this? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.6 with two monitors does not respect boundaries/edges between them
On Tue, 17 May 2011 21:22:56 +0100, Mick wrote: In KDE4.5 if I were to maximise a window of an application while it was positioned say in the left monitor, it would maximise to occupy all of the real estate in the left monitor only. If the application was in the right monitor, it would maximise to occupy only the right monitor. In The monitors section of system settings, there should be a multiple monitors section. I think, I'm on my single-screen netbook now, that I have all the boxes ticked, and it works as you want. However, occasionally, after an upgrade, it reverts to how you describe. The solution is to unset and reset some of those options and restart KDE, then it remembers how it should behave again. -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 22: Childproof signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.6 with two monitors does not respect boundaries/edges between them
Apparently, though unproven, at 22:22 on Tuesday 17 May 2011, Mick did opine thusly: It seems that some setting changed from the 4.5 to 4.6 because now the boundaries between the two monitors are no longer respected. Let me try to explain: In KDE4.5 if I were to maximise a window of an application while it was positioned say in the left monitor, it would maximise to occupy all of the real estate in the left monitor only. If the application was in the right monitor, it would maximise to occupy only the right monitor. Also in KDE4.5 moving an application window near the ends of a monitor would snap to the edge even if this was the vertical edge between the two monitors. In KDE4.6 application windows maximise across both screens and there's no snapping into the edge at the middle. Finally, I can no longer set different wallpapers for the two monitors. Is there some setting I could use to fix this? This might help narrow the source of the problem down. This doesn't affect my nVidia card [GeForce 8600M GT] on any version between 4.3 and latest 4.6 in the tree, so I suspect your drivers. Snap to the edge between two monitors works here. An unmaximized window always maximizes to fill the monitor it is on. An unmaximized window that is partly on one monitor and partly on the other does a neat trick when maximized - it fills the monitor that held the bigger fraction of the window. All this neat goodness works on both nVidia driver and nouveau, straight out the box, no fiddling required -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.6 with two monitors does not respect boundaries/edges between them
Am 17.05.2011 22:22, schrieb Mick: It seems that some setting changed from the 4.5 to 4.6 because now the boundaries between the two monitors are no longer respected. Let me try to explain: In KDE4.5 if I were to maximise a window of an application while it was positioned say in the left monitor, it would maximise to occupy all of the real estate in the left monitor only. If the application was in the right monitor, it would maximise to occupy only the right monitor. Also in KDE4.5 moving an application window near the ends of a monitor would snap to the edge even if this was the vertical edge between the two monitors. In KDE4.6 application windows maximise across both screens and there's no snapping into the edge at the middle. Finally, I can no longer set different wallpapers for the two monitors. Is there some setting I could use to fix this? I had the same problem. You have to enable the xinerama use flag, even if you do not intend to configure xinerama. euse -E xinerama emerge -av --reinstall changed-use world will do the job. Hope this helps, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.6 with two monitors does not respect boundaries/edges between them
On Tuesday 17 May 2011 22:09:41 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2011 21:22:56 +0100, Mick wrote: In KDE4.5 if I were to maximise a window of an application while it was positioned say in the left monitor, it would maximise to occupy all of the real estate in the left monitor only. If the application was in the right monitor, it would maximise to occupy only the right monitor. In The monitors section of system settings, there should be a multiple monitors section. I think, I'm on my single-screen netbook now, that I have all the boxes ticked, and it works as you want. However, occasionally, after an upgrade, it reverts to how you describe. The solution is to unset and reset some of those options and restart KDE, then it remembers how it should behave again. Thanks Neil, there's the 'Display and Monitor' section in SystemSettings. I've changed things around, changed their position from 'absolute' to 'right of' and back again, changed the refresh rate to auto and finally changed the Primary Output to DVI. Logged out/in and it is still the same xinerama like behaviour. One big single virtual screen, rather than two screens in two monitors as it was until 4.6 came along. I knew from the start KDE4.6 was installed something was amiss because the toolbar at the bottom of the screen was extended across both monitors (it used to be on the RH side only) and on the left hand monitor it was not visible (it was below the bottom edge of the screen). This is really annoying and hinders productivity ... :-( -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.6 with two monitors does not respect boundaries/edges between them
On Tuesday 17 May 2011 23:35:30 Florian Philipp wrote: Am 17.05.2011 22:22, schrieb Mick: It seems that some setting changed from the 4.5 to 4.6 because now the boundaries between the two monitors are no longer respected. Let me try to explain: In KDE4.5 if I were to maximise a window of an application while it was positioned say in the left monitor, it would maximise to occupy all of the real estate in the left monitor only. If the application was in the right monitor, it would maximise to occupy only the right monitor. Also in KDE4.5 moving an application window near the ends of a monitor would snap to the edge even if this was the vertical edge between the two monitors. In KDE4.6 application windows maximise across both screens and there's no snapping into the edge at the middle. Finally, I can no longer set different wallpapers for the two monitors. Is there some setting I could use to fix this? I had the same problem. You have to enable the xinerama use flag, even if you do not intend to configure xinerama. euse -E xinerama emerge -av --reinstall changed-use world will do the job. Have they changed the use of this flag in KDE4.6? I don't having it set before ... Thanks for the suggestion, I'll try it out tomorrow, because it's getting late now. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.6 with two monitors does not respect boundaries/edges between them
2011/5/17 Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net Am 17.05.2011 22:22, schrieb Mick: It seems that some setting changed from the 4.5 to 4.6 because now the boundaries between the two monitors are no longer respected. Let me try to explain: In KDE4.5 if I were to maximise a window of an application while it was positioned say in the left monitor, it would maximise to occupy all of the real estate in the left monitor only. If the application was in the right monitor, it would maximise to occupy only the right monitor. Also in KDE4.5 moving an application window near the ends of a monitor would snap to the edge even if this was the vertical edge between the two monitors. In KDE4.6 application windows maximise across both screens and there's no snapping into the edge at the middle. Finally, I can no longer set different wallpapers for the two monitors. Is there some setting I could use to fix this? I had the same problem. You have to enable the xinerama use flag, even if you do not intend to configure xinerama. euse -E xinerama emerge -av --reinstall changed-use world will do the job. Hope this helps, Florian Philipp I had the very same problem and I can confirm that using the xinerama flag fixes it. I'm using fglrx drivers, also I have defined two Screens in my xorg.conf.d, I don't know if it has something to do with it (tried multiple solutions and when things got working i just left it untouched). Leonardo
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.6 with two monitors does not respect boundaries/edges between them
I don't know if this is considered hijacking this thread or not but I have a similar issue getting my kde to remember its screen layout. Two screens with different resolutions and kde just will NOT remember what I tell it to do. Is there some secret X mojo I have to do to the X configuration files to augment what kde knows about the display geometry? What's more annoying is that I have other machines that have no problem. What's the general consensus for configuring multiple heads? Just go with xorg.conf? Add Monitor sections in xorg.conf.d? -- Bill Longman
