Re: [gentoo-user] NEW idea: Kernel panics and more info
Mark Shields wrote: On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: OK. New theory here. This came about in another thread about the shiney new kernel, that isn't new by the way. Anyway, look at this crap: SNIP Why are some using the group users and others using my test user dale2? I don't think I have a group dale2. Could this be the cause? What exactly tells Linux to give those permissions? I looked around in /etc for some file that would set this but I can't find anything. Even if this isn't the cause, how do I go about fixing this? Dale :-) :-) The group shows instead of the GID, meaning the group is most definitely on your PC. You may want to check/change your primary group for dale. You can do this with: usermod -g users dale Then update the permissions on the files: chown -vR dale:users/home/dale/* You may want to backup your home directory first. I got it fixed and this helped a lot. I also took the backup advice to, just in case. ;-) Thanks much. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] NEW idea: Kernel panics and more info
OK. New theory here. This came about in another thread about the shiney new kernel, that isn't new by the way. Anyway, look at this crap: root@fireball / # ls -al /home/dale/ total 640 drwxr-xr-x 61 dale users 2672 Jul 23 10:14 . drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 208 Jun 17 03:01 .. drwx-- 3 dale dale2 80 Sep 3 2010 .adobe -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 24 Apr 10 16:40 .aspell.en.prepl -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 29 Apr 10 16:40 .aspell.en.pws drwxr-xr-x 3 dale users 96 Feb 25 2010 .avidemux drwxr-xr-x 2 dale dale2 48 Feb 7 07:14 backup -rw--- 1 dale users 3685 Jul 23 01:59 .bash_history -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users127 Dec 8 2008 .bash_logout -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users193 Dec 8 2008 .bash_profile -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users551 Dec 8 2008 .bashrc drwxr-xr-x 4 dale users104 Apr 12 10:50 .cache drwxr-xr-x 10 dale users256 Jan 2 2010 .cddb drwx-- 16 dale users480 Jul 5 00:54 .config drwx-- 2 dale users 80 Aug 28 2009 .cups -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users263 Jan 25 2009 dalek1967.revoke -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users279 Oct 8 2006 dalek.revoke drwx-- 3 dale users 80 Dec 11 2008 .dbus -rw-r--r-- 1 dale ssmtp 20337 Mar 12 16:36 dead.letter drwx-- 3 dale users688 Jul 23 05:18 Desktop -rw--- 1 root root 119 Jun 17 03:03 .directory -rw--- 1 dale users 24 Jul 18 00:18 .dmrc -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 40 Feb 10 2009 .dolphinview drwxr-xr-x 2 dale dale2 48 Jan 18 2011 Downloads drwxr-xr-x 2 dale dale2136 Jul 23 02:26 dwhelper -rw--- 1 dale users 16 Jan 26 2009 .esd_auth -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 7669 Feb 16 2009 .face.icon -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 786 Oct 30 2009 fahback drwxr-xr-x 6 dale dale2440 Jul 17 23:49 .fluxbox drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 4912 Jul 18 00:15 .fontconfig drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users152 Dec 11 2008 .fonts -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users530 Feb 21 2010 .fonts.conf drwx-- 2 dale users 48 Jun 6 23:30 .gconf drwx-- 2 dale users 80 Jun 10 00:51 .gconfd drwx-- 4 dale users 96 Mar 29 2009 .gegl-0.0 drwxr-xr-x 22 dale users984 Jun 28 16:45 .gimp-2.6 drwxrwxr-x 6 dale users456 Jul 15 03:07 .gkrellm2 drwx-- 3 dale users 72 Sep 28 2009 .gnome2 drwx-- 2 dale users 48 Dec 11 2008 .gnome2_private drwx-- 3 dale users592 Jul 23 10:05 .gnupg drwx-- 6 dale users296 Jun 6 15:02 .googleearth drwx-- 2 dale users 72 Dec 25 2008 .gphoto drwxr-xr-x 5 dale users208 Mar 26 2010 .gqview drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users128 Jul 8 15:44 .gstreamer-0.10 -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users254 Jan 20 2011 .gtk-bookmarks -rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2429 Jul 5 13:13 .gtkrc-2.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 dale dale2 21 Jul 5 13:13 .gtkrc-2.0-kde4 - /home/dale/.gtkrc-2.0 drwxr- 2 dale users112 Jul 2 19:14 .hplip -rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2 4364 Jun 17 00:29 .hugin -rw--- 1 dale users 0 Mar 12 2010 .ICEauthority drwxr-xr-x 3 dale dale2 72 Mar 15 10:59 .icedtea drwxr-xr-x 3 dale dale2136 Jan 24 22:11 .icedteaplugin drwxr-xr-x 2 dale dale2 72 Jul 18 00:15 .icewm drwxr-xr-x 4 dale dale2112 Sep 4 2010 .java drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 568 Jul 8 17:05 .kde4 drwxr-xr-x 6 dale users568 Dec 13 2010 .kde4.old drwxr-xr-x 5 dale dale2120 Jun 26 15:28 kdenlive -rw--- 1 dale users521 Jul 19 21:32 .kderc drwxr--r-- 2 dale dale2 72 Mar 12 16:36 .linuxcounter drwx-- 3 dale users152 May 6 2010 .local drwx-- 3 dale dale2 80 Sep 3 2010 .macromedia drwxr-xr-x 3 dale users 72 May 15 2010 .marble drwxr-xr-x 3 dale users112 Dec 11 2008 .mcop -rw--- 1 dale users 31 Mar 12 2010 .mcoprc drwx-- 5 dale users136 Jul 11 02:06 .mozilla drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 88 Jan 2 2009 .mp3splt-gtk drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 96 Dec 12 2009 .mplayer drwxr-xr-x 3 dale dale2 72 Jan 18 2011 .netx drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users104 Oct 11 2009 .nvclock -rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2 1204 Jun 6 03:00 .nvidia-settings-rc drwx-- 3 dale dale2 72 Jun 16 04:14 .ooo3 drwx-- 3 dale users 72 Nov 18 2010 .ooo3.old drwx-- 10 dale users992 May 21 2009 .opera drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 80 Jan 9 2009 .porthole -rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2172 Feb 12 02:33 .ptbt1 drwx-- 6 dale users304 Oct 10 2010 .purple drwxr-xr-x 7 dale users272 Mar 22 2010 .PySolFC drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users296 Mar 12 2010 .qt -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users280 May 17 2009 rdalek1967.revoke -rw--- 1 dale users 9131 Jun 16 04:14 .recently-used drwxr-xr-x 4 dale users320 Apr 10 16:55 .scribus drwx-- 2 dale users 48 Dec 8 2008 .ssh drwx-- 4 dale dale2 96 Jul 22 01:20 .thumbnails drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 72 Feb 21 2010 .tkdvd -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 1147 Feb 11 2010 .tuxcards -rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2127 Jun 17 2010 .Wammu drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 48 Jan 24 2009 .wapi -rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2
Re: [gentoo-user] NEW idea: Kernel panics and more info
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: OK. New theory here. This came about in another thread about the shiney new kernel, that isn't new by the way. Anyway, look at this crap: root@fireball / # ls -al /home/dale/ total 640 drwxr-xr-x 61 dale users 2672 Jul 23 10:14 . drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 208 Jun 17 03:01 .. drwx-- 3 dale dale2 80 Sep 3 2010 .adobe -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 24 Apr 10 16:40 .aspell.en.prepl -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 29 Apr 10 16:40 .aspell.en.pws drwxr-xr-x 3 dale users 96 Feb 25 2010 .avidemux drwxr-xr-x 2 dale dale2 48 Feb 7 07:14 backup -rw--- 1 dale users 3685 Jul 23 01:59 .bash_history -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users127 Dec 8 2008 .bash_logout -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users193 Dec 8 2008 .bash_profile -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users551 Dec 8 2008 .bashrc drwxr-xr-x 4 dale users104 Apr 12 10:50 .cache drwxr-xr-x 10 dale users256 Jan 2 2010 .cddb drwx-- 16 dale users480 Jul 5 00:54 .config drwx-- 2 dale users 80 Aug 28 2009 .cups -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users263 Jan 25 2009 dalek1967.revoke -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users279 Oct 8 2006 dalek.revoke drwx-- 3 dale users 80 Dec 11 2008 .dbus -rw-r--r-- 1 dale ssmtp 20337 Mar 12 16:36 dead.letter drwx-- 3 dale users688 Jul 23 05:18 Desktop -rw--- 1 root root 119 Jun 17 03:03 .directory -rw--- 1 dale users 24 Jul 18 00:18 .dmrc -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 40 Feb 10 2009 .dolphinview drwxr-xr-x 2 dale dale2 48 Jan 18 2011 Downloads drwxr-xr-x 2 dale dale2136 Jul 23 02:26 dwhelper -rw--- 1 dale users 16 Jan 26 2009 .esd_auth -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 7669 Feb 16 2009 .face.icon -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 786 Oct 30 2009 fahback drwxr-xr-x 6 dale dale2440 Jul 17 23:49 .fluxbox drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 4912 Jul 18 00:15 .fontconfig drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users152 Dec 11 2008 .fonts -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users530 Feb 21 2010 .fonts.conf drwx-- 2 dale users 48 Jun 6 23:30 .gconf drwx-- 2 dale users 80 Jun 10 00:51 .gconfd drwx-- 4 dale users 96 Mar 29 2009 .gegl-0.0 drwxr-xr-x 22 dale users984 Jun 28 16:45 .gimp-2.6 drwxrwxr-x 6 dale users456 Jul 15 03:07 .gkrellm2 drwx-- 3 dale users 72 Sep 28 2009 .gnome2 drwx-- 2 dale users 48 Dec 11 2008 .gnome2_private drwx-- 3 dale users592 Jul 23 10:05 .gnupg drwx-- 6 dale users296 Jun 6 15:02 .googleearth drwx-- 2 dale users 72 Dec 25 2008 .gphoto drwxr-xr-x 5 dale users208 Mar 26 2010 .gqview drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users128 Jul 8 15:44 .gstreamer-0.10 -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users254 Jan 20 2011 .gtk-bookmarks -rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2429 Jul 5 13:13 .gtkrc-2.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 dale dale2 21 Jul 5 13:13 .gtkrc-2.0-kde4 - /home/dale/.gtkrc-2.0 drwxr- 2 dale users112 Jul 2 19:14 .hplip -rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2 4364 Jun 17 00:29 .hugin -rw--- 1 dale users 0 Mar 12 2010 .ICEauthority drwxr-xr-x 3 dale dale2 72 Mar 15 10:59 .icedtea drwxr-xr-x 3 dale dale2136 Jan 24 22:11 .icedteaplugin drwxr-xr-x 2 dale dale2 72 Jul 18 00:15 .icewm drwxr-xr-x 4 dale dale2112 Sep 4 2010 .java drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 568 Jul 8 17:05 .kde4 drwxr-xr-x 6 dale users568 Dec 13 2010 .kde4.old drwxr-xr-x 5 dale dale2120 Jun 26 15:28 kdenlive -rw--- 1 dale users521 Jul 19 21:32 .kderc drwxr--r-- 2 dale dale2 72 Mar 12 16:36 .linuxcounter drwx-- 3 dale users152 May 6 2010 .local drwx-- 3 dale dale2 80 Sep 3 2010 .macromedia drwxr-xr-x 3 dale users 72 May 15 2010 .marble drwxr-xr-x 3 dale users112 Dec 11 2008 .mcop -rw--- 1 dale users 31 Mar 12 2010 .mcoprc drwx-- 5 dale users136 Jul 11 02:06 .mozilla drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 88 Jan 2 2009 .mp3splt-gtk drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 96 Dec 12 2009 .mplayer drwxr-xr-x 3 dale dale2 72 Jan 18 2011 .netx drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users104 Oct 11 2009 .nvclock -rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2 1204 Jun 6 03:00 .nvidia-settings-rc drwx-- 3 dale dale2 72 Jun 16 04:14 .ooo3 drwx-- 3 dale users 72 Nov 18 2010 .ooo3.old drwx-- 10 dale users992 May 21 2009 .opera drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 80 Jan 9 2009 .porthole -rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2172 Feb 12 02:33 .ptbt1 drwx-- 6 dale users304 Oct 10 2010 .purple drwxr-xr-x 7 dale users272 Mar 22 2010 .PySolFC drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users296 Mar 12 2010 .qt -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users280 May 17 2009 rdalek1967.revoke -rw--- 1 dale users 9131 Jun 16 04:14 .recently-used drwxr-xr-x 4 dale users320 Apr 10 16:55 .scribus drwx-- 2 dale users 48 Dec 8 2008 .ssh drwx-- 4 dale dale2 96 Jul 22 01:20 .thumbnails drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 72 Feb 21 2010 .tkdvd -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users
Re: Re: [gentoo-user] NEW idea: Kernel panics and more info
Dale writes: OK. New theory here. This came about in another thread about the shiney new kernel, that isn't new by the way. Anyway, look at this crap: root@fireball / # ls -al /home/dale/ total 640 drwxr-xr-x 61 dale users 2672 Jul 23 10:14 . drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 208 Jun 17 03:01 .. drwx-- 3 dale dale2 80 Sep 3 2010 .adobe -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 24 Apr 10 16:40 .aspell.en.prepl -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 29 Apr 10 16:40 .aspell.en.pws drwxr-xr-x 3 dale users 96 Feb 25 2010 .avidemux [...] By comparison, check this out for my test user: root@fireball / # ls -al /home/dale2/ total 73 drwx-- 13 dale2 users 544 Jul 11 01:59 . drwxr-xr-x 7 root root208 Jun 17 03:01 .. -rw--- 1 dale2 500 5 Jul 11 01:59 .bash_history -rw-r--r-- 1 dale2 users 127 Apr 18 14:04 .bash_logout -rw-r--r-- 1 dale2 users 193 Apr 18 14:04 .bash_profile -rw-r--r-- 1 dale2 users 551 Apr 18 14:04 .bashrc drwxr-xr-x 4 dale2 users 128 Jul 5 12:28 .config drwx-- 3 dale2 users80 May 8 11:55 .dbus drwx-- 2 dale2 users 144 May 8 11:55 Desktop -rw--- 1 dale2 users24 Jul 6 22:18 .dmrc drwxr-xr-x 2 dale2 500 112 Jul 5 15:59 .fontconfig drwxr-xr-x 2 dale2 50088 Jul 11 01:51 .gstreamer-0.10 drwxr- 2 dale2 users 112 Jul 5 15:59 .hplip drwxr-xr-x 4 dale2 users 200 Jul 5 12:16 .kde4 drwxr-xr-x 3 dale2 users72 May 8 11:55 .local drwx-- 5 dale2 500 136 Jul 11 01:56 .mozilla drwx-- 2 dale2 users48 Apr 18 14:04 .ssh drwx-- 3 dale2 50072 Jul 5 12:21 .thumbnails -rw--- 1 dale2 500 0 Jul 11 01:59 .Xauthority -rw--- 1 dale2 500 50596 Jul 11 01:59 .xsession-errors root@fireball / # Why are some using the group users and others using my test user dale2? And what is group 500? Did you use your $HOME directory from another OS maybe? I don't think I have a group dale2. Could this be the cause? You have the group, or else it would not be shown by ls. But you once group, which is only known by its GID 500 now. You can check your IDs with the 'id user' command. What exactly tells Linux to give those permissions? I looked around in /etc for some file that would set this but I can't find anything. Normally, files are created with your primary group. The one that is in the fourth column of your user in /etc/passwd, you set it with usermod -g. Even if this isn't the cause, how do I go about fixing this? If you never intended to use different groups at all, chgrp -R users $HOME should do the trick. But I doubt it has anything to do with your kernel panics. Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] NEW idea: Kernel panics and more info
Alex Schuster wrote: Dale writes: OK. New theory here. This came about in another thread about the shiney new kernel, that isn't new by the way. Anyway, look at this crap: root@fireball / # ls -al /home/dale/ total 640 drwxr-xr-x 61 dale users 2672 Jul 23 10:14 . drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 208 Jun 17 03:01 .. drwx-- 3 dale dale2 80 Sep 3 2010 .adobe -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 24 Apr 10 16:40 .aspell.en.prepl -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 29 Apr 10 16:40 .aspell.en.pws drwxr-xr-x 3 dale users 96 Feb 25 2010 .avidemux [...] By comparison, check this out for my test user: root@fireball / # ls -al /home/dale2/ total 73 drwx-- 13 dale2 users 544 Jul 11 01:59 . drwxr-xr-x 7 root root208 Jun 17 03:01 .. -rw--- 1 dale2 500 5 Jul 11 01:59 .bash_history -rw-r--r-- 1 dale2 users 127 Apr 18 14:04 .bash_logout -rw-r--r-- 1 dale2 users 193 Apr 18 14:04 .bash_profile -rw-r--r-- 1 dale2 users 551 Apr 18 14:04 .bashrc drwxr-xr-x 4 dale2 users 128 Jul 5 12:28 .config drwx-- 3 dale2 users80 May 8 11:55 .dbus drwx-- 2 dale2 users 144 May 8 11:55 Desktop -rw--- 1 dale2 users24 Jul 6 22:18 .dmrc drwxr-xr-x 2 dale2 500 112 Jul 5 15:59 .fontconfig drwxr-xr-x 2 dale2 50088 Jul 11 01:51 .gstreamer-0.10 drwxr- 2 dale2 users 112 Jul 5 15:59 .hplip drwxr-xr-x 4 dale2 users 200 Jul 5 12:16 .kde4 drwxr-xr-x 3 dale2 users72 May 8 11:55 .local drwx-- 5 dale2 500 136 Jul 11 01:56 .mozilla drwx-- 2 dale2 users48 Apr 18 14:04 .ssh drwx-- 3 dale2 50072 Jul 5 12:21 .thumbnails -rw--- 1 dale2 500 0 Jul 11 01:59 .Xauthority -rw--- 1 dale2 500 50596 Jul 11 01:59 .xsession-errors root@fireball / # Why are some using the group users and others using my test user dale2? And what is group 500? Did you use your $HOME directory from another OS maybe? I did copy a couple directories from the old install, emails and such, but most everything was done fresh when I installed Gentoo on this rig. I tend to let the permissions stay as they are. I do change some permissions on my /data directory sometimes tho. Usually to prevent me from doing something accidentally you know. I have no idea what group 500 is or where it came from. That is one goood question. I don't think I have a group dale2. Could this be the cause? You have the group, or else it would not be shown by ls. But you once group, which is only known by its GID 500 now. You can check your IDs with the 'iduser' command. What exactly tells Linux to give those permissions? I looked around in /etc for some file that would set this but I can't find anything. Normally, files are created with your primary group. The one that is in the fourth column of your user in /etc/passwd, you set it with usermod -g. That had 500 in it for the group. I guess that is how that happened but no idea how it got set that way. It's fixed now tho. Even if this isn't the cause, how do I go about fixing this? If you never intended to use different groups at all, chgrp -R users $HOME should do the trick. But I doubt it has anything to do with your kernel panics. Wonko It may not but while I am grasping at straws, I'll get this fixed too. Thanks for the reply. I got some of this sorted out now. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] NEW idea: Kernel panics and more info
I think I typed in something wrong and sort of made a mess of it. I had to copy a backup file for group and passwd to get things working again. Here is what I have right now: root@fireball / # cat /etc/passwd root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash bin:x:1:1:bin:/bin:/bin/false daemon:x:2:2:daemon:/sbin:/bin/false adm:x:3:4:adm:/var/adm:/bin/false lp:x:4:7:lp:/var/spool/lpd:/bin/false sync:x:5:0:sync:/sbin:/bin/sync shutdown:x:6:0:shutdown:/sbin:/sbin/shutdown halt:x:7:0:halt:/sbin:/sbin/halt mail:x:8:12:mail:/var/spool/mail:/bin/false news:x:9:13:news:/usr/lib/news:/bin/false uucp:x:10:14:uucp:/var/spool/uucppublic:/bin/false operator:x:11:0:operator:/root:/bin/bash man:x:13:15:man:/usr/share/man:/bin/false postmaster:x:14:12:postmaster:/var/spool/mail:/bin/false portage:x:250:250:portage:/var/tmp/portage:/bin/false nobody:x:65534:65534:nobody:/:/bin/false sshd:x:22:22:added by portage for openssh:/var/empty:/sbin/nologin messagebus:x:101:199:added by portage for dbus:/dev/null:/sbin/nologin avahi:x:102:197:added by portage for avahi:/dev/null:/sbin/nologin mysql:x:60:60:added by portage for mysql:/dev/null:/sbin/nologin ldap:x:439:439:added by portage for openldap:/usr/lib64/openldap:/sbin/nologin cron:x:16:16:added by portage for cronbase:/var/spool/cron:/sbin/nologin uptimed:x:103:102:added by portage for uptimed:/dev/null:/sbin/nologin ntp:x:123:123:added by portage for ntp:/var/empty:/sbin/nologin games:x:36:35:added by portage for gnugo:/usr/games:/bin/bash haldaemon:x:104:101:added by portage for hal:/dev/null:/sbin/nologin dale:x:1000:1000::/home/dale:/bin/bash gkrellmd:x:105:997:added by portage for gkrellm:/dev/null:/sbin/nologin hsqldb:x:106:996:added by portage for hsqldb:/dev/null:/bin/sh kdm:x:107:995:added by portage for kdm:/var/lib/kdm-4.5:/sbin/nologin nut:x:84:84:added by portage for nut:/var/lib/nut:/sbin/nologin polkituser:x:108:994:added by portage for polkit:/dev/null:/sbin/nologin dale2:x:1001:500::/home/dale2:/bin/bash root@fireball / # cat /etc/groupNEW INFO ALERT root::0:root bin::1:root,bin,daemon daemon::2:root,bin,daemon sys::3:root,bin,adm adm::4:root,adm,daemon tty::5:dale,dale2 disk::6:root,adm lp::7:lp,dale,dale2 mem::8: kmem::9: wheel::10:root,dale,dale2 floppy::11:root,dale mail::12:mail news::13:news uucp::14:uucp,nut,dale,dale2 man::15:man console::17: audio::18:dale,dale2 cdrom::19:dale,dale2 dialout::20:root,dale,dale2 tape::26:root video::27:root,dale,dale2 cdrw::80:dale,dale2 usb::85:dale,dale2 users::100:games,dale,dale2 nofiles:x:200: smmsp:x:209:smmsp portage::250:portage utmp:x:406:dale,dale2 nogroup::65533: nobody::65534: sshd:x:22: messagebus:x:199: netdev:x:198: avahi:x:197: lpadmin:x:106:dale mysql:x:60: ldap:x:439: cron:x:16: locate:x:105: ssmtp:x:104: crontab:x:103: uptimed:x:102: ntp:x:123: games:x:35:dale,dale2 plugdev:x:999:dale,dale2 scanner:x:998:dale2 dale:x:1100: gkrellmd:x:997: hsqldb:x:996: kdm:x:995:dale2 nut:x:84:nut,dale,uucp polkituser:x:994:dale,dale2 wireshark:x:993:dale,dale2 dale2:x:1000: root@fireball / # What I would like to do is get rid of things that shouldn't be there. It appears I have a group or two that shouldn't exist. I guess anyway. I know about groupdel but want to make sure before I actually do anything AGAIN. When I did this a few minutes ago, kdm would let me login until I restored group and passwd. Should I have a group called dale and dale2? Those are my users. dale is my main account and dale2 is for when I need to test a clean account. Does anyone see anything else that needs fixin here? Thanks much. Dale :-) :-)