Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs

2021-10-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 04:17:32 +0200 (CEST), coa...@tuta.io wrote: > > was significantly faster than > > > > emerge -C gentoo-sources-version > > rm -fr /usr/src/linux-version > > > So what about other packages? Do you guys find it faster to > rm -rf $(equary f PACKAGE) && emerge -C PACKAGE? Is

Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs

2021-10-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 05:43:27 +0100, Wols Lists wrote: > > Yes, it would be. The first way, portage just scans the list of files > > and tries to delete what isn't there; the second way it actually has > > to delete real files. > > > I doubt that's the problem. After all, rm has to delete the

Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs

2021-10-05 Thread coalml
> On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 18:02:55 -0500, Dale wrote:> rm -fr /usr/src/linux-version > emerge -C gentoo-sources-version > > was significantly faster than > > emerge -C gentoo-sources-version > rm -fr /usr/src/linux-version > So what about other packages? Do you guys find it faster to rm -rf

Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs

2021-10-04 Thread Wols Lists
On 05/10/2021 00:44, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Tuesday, 5 October 2021 00:11:42 BST Neil Bothwick wrote: When I checked it in the past rm -fr /usr/src/linux-version emerge -C gentoo-sources-version was significantly faster than emerge -C gentoo-sources-version rm -fr /usr/src/linux-version

Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs

2021-10-04 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Tuesday, 5 October 2021 00:11:42 BST Neil Bothwick wrote: > When I checked it in the past > > rm -fr /usr/src/linux-version > emerge -C gentoo-sources-version > > was significantly faster than > > emerge -C gentoo-sources-version > rm -fr /usr/src/linux-version Yes, it would be. The first

Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs

2021-10-04 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 18:02:55 -0500, Dale wrote: > >>> Fair enough. I use standard gentoo-sources but always like to keep at >>> least one previous version available "just in case". I unmerge old >>> versions manually, I have to delete kernel sources manually anyway as >>>

Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs

2021-10-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 18:02:55 -0500, Dale wrote: > > Fair enough. I use standard gentoo-sources but always like to keep at > > least one previous version available "just in case". I unmerge old > > versions manually, I have to delete kernel sources manually anyway as > > emerge only removes the

Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs

2021-10-04 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 21:31:35 +0200, Arve Barsnes wrote: > >>> On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 10:33:58 +0200, Arve Barsnes wrote: >>> I picked up this tip some years ago to avoid depcleaning kernel >>> sources. >>> >>> % cat /etc/portage/sets.conf >>> [kernels] >>> class =

Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs

2021-10-04 Thread Steve Evans
On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 19:09:22 +0100 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 10:33:58 +0200, Arve Barsnes wrote: > > I picked up this tip some years ago to avoid depcleaning kernel > sources. > > % cat /etc/portage/sets.conf > [kernels] > class = portage.sets.dbapi.OwnerSet > world-candidate =

Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs

2021-10-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 21:31:35 +0200, Arve Barsnes wrote: > > On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 10:33:58 +0200, Arve Barsnes wrote: > > I picked up this tip some years ago to avoid depcleaning kernel > > sources. > > > > % cat /etc/portage/sets.conf > > [kernels] > > class = portage.sets.dbapi.OwnerSet > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs

2021-10-04 Thread Arve Barsnes
On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 at 20:09, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 10:33:58 +0200, Arve Barsnes wrote: > I picked up this tip some years ago to avoid depcleaning kernel sources. > > % cat /etc/portage/sets.conf > [kernels] > class = portage.sets.dbapi.OwnerSet > world-candidate = False >

Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs

2021-10-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 10:33:58 +0200, Arve Barsnes wrote: > > Why not use --ask instead of --pretend? Then you don't have to copy > > anything or re-run commands. "emerge -ca" is short enough to not need > > an alias. > > Mostly because, while I am not a prolific installer of temporary >

Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs

2021-10-04 Thread coalml
Lol i just installed that earlier, didnt know gentoo is THAT understaffed,looking at the history i know of i still dont understand if the wiki dying was a good or a bad thing for the community in one hand hardcore fans stayed and rewrote(of what i can see) some epic documentation in comparison

Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs

2021-10-04 Thread coalml
That is what i waa looking day-1 when i started gentoo If it works as I expect it to id say problems solved case closed And if i can add other sets inside world even better,with that being said my questions from my last email still stand,even tho now unneeded someone reading this mailing list in

Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs

2021-10-04 Thread Wols Lists
On 04/10/2021 07:13, Miles Malone wrote: I would strongly, STRONGLY discourage you from creating your own meta package. There are very few meta packages in the tree (in the scheme of things) for very good reasons, they take one hell of a lot of maintenance. They're really only there for things

Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs

2021-10-04 Thread coalml
I thank the four of you for the insight I learn more in 5 mins then I did in an afternoon,I have two last question tho > As a example, if you want a > full KDE install, you just emerge the kde meta package and it gets > recorded in the world file.  The emerge command will take care of all > the

Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs

2021-10-04 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Monday, 4 October 2021 07:57:10 BST coa...@tuta.io wrote: > Lol i just installed that earlier, didnt know gentoo is THAT > understaffed,looking at the history i know of i still dont understand if > the wiki dying was a good or a bad thing for the community in one hand > hardcore fans stayed and

Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs

2021-10-04 Thread Arve Barsnes
On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 at 09:10, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 06:31:53 +0200, Arve Barsnes wrote: > > As for depclean, I have added an alias for depclean with --pretend > > that I use after world updates. Unless you have installed something > > with -1, most of the time that list is

Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs

2021-10-04 Thread Hervé Guillemet
Le 04/10/2021 à 08:13, Miles Malone a écrit : If you really want to group a bunch of packages into a set that gets emerged with one command, I would do exactly that: create a custom set. Similar to @world, @system, @security, etc. You can do that quite easily, see

[gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs

2021-10-04 Thread coalml
Hi y'all new confused user regarding package management How do you guys manage and protect your packages? Do you just put everything on world and end up with a huge world file? Do you have basic system files on world and the rest you protect or omit? Do you create new(personalised) files

Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs

2021-10-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 06:31:53 +0200, Arve Barsnes wrote: > As you can see from the two earlier replies, from cal and Dale, this > depends on how you want to manage your system. If you do a lot of > installing, putting -1 in your defaults might be the way to go, but > personally I'm in cal's camp, I

Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs

2021-10-04 Thread Miles Malone
There's one thing that springs instantly to mind that uses a complex meta package that isnt a desktop environment is texlive. And jesus do the texlive team (all... two of them?) work hard. Special shout out. On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 at 16:37, Arve Barsnes wrote: > > On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 at 08:05,

Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs

2021-10-04 Thread Arve Barsnes
On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 at 08:05, wrote: > Firstly is there any dependency hell that I can fall into when placing lots > of different packages with (unexpectedly) conflicting deps on my own meta > package?Has anyone (reading this) that has done it before and worked out a > niche way to avoid

Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs

2021-10-04 Thread Miles Malone
I would strongly, STRONGLY discourage you from creating your own meta package. There are very few meta packages in the tree (in the scheme of things) for very good reasons, they take one hell of a lot of maintenance. They're really only there for things like kde, where you might just want a bare

Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs

2021-10-03 Thread William Kenworthy
On 4/10/21 11:30 am, coa...@tuta.io wrote: > Hi y'all new confused user regarding package management > > How do you guys manage and protect your packages? > Do you just put everything on world and end up with a huge world file? > Do you have basic system files on world and the rest you protect

Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs

2021-10-03 Thread Arve Barsnes
On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 at 05:30, wrote: > > Hi y'all new confused user regarding package management > > How do you guys manage and protect your packages? > Do you just put everything on world and end up with a huge world file? > Do you have basic system files on world and the rest you protect or

Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs

2021-10-03 Thread Dale
coa...@tuta.io wrote: > Hi y'all new confused user regarding package management > > How do you guys manage and protect your packages? > Do you just put everything on world and end up with a huge world file? > Do you have basic system files on world and the rest you protect or omit? > Do you create

Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs

2021-10-03 Thread cal
On 10/3/21 8:30 PM, coa...@tuta.io wrote: > Hi y'all new confused user regarding package management > > How do you guys manage and protect your packages? > Do you just put everything on world and end up with a huge world file? > Do you have basic system files on world and the rest you protect or