Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-23 Thread ionut cucu
On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:13:33 +0200 Nicolas Sebrecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: ATI? Which 3d drivers are as bad as nvidia from 'obfuscation' point of view and a lot worse if you compare the horror stories? The point is that *this* is

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-23 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Monday 23 June 2008, ionut cucu wrote: On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:13:33 +0200 Nicolas Sebrecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: ATI? Which 3d drivers are as bad as nvidia from 'obfuscation' point of view and a lot worse if you compare the horror

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-23 Thread Andrey Falko
I'm not sure if this was linked to this thread before, but here is an aritcle that gives points to AMD: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=amd_evolutionnum=1 As far as I understand AMD has given up good, out-of-the-box support for the latest teraFLOP gpu. --

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-23 Thread ionut cucu
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:40:38 +0200 Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 23 June 2008, ionut cucu wrote: On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:13:33 +0200 Nicolas Sebrecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: ATI? Which 3d drivers are as bad

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-23 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
ionut cucu [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: he...talk about being outdated...silly me Oudated graphic card specs are not the current topic. -- Nicolas Sebrecht -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-19 Thread Miika Linnapuomi
Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:06:10 +0200 Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 19 June 2008, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: ATI? Which 3d drivers are as bad as nvidia from 'obfuscation' point of view and a lot worse if you compare the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-19 Thread Norberto Bensa
Enrico Weigelt wrote: I've made the big mistake of bying an notebook w/ geforce go 6100. I have one. Compaq Presario 3415LA (Sempron 3500+, GeForce 6150, Gentoo 64bit.) So I strongly suggest, NOT to buy NV cards. Too late buddy. All my current boxes (6) run on NVidia cards, and are the most

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-18 Thread Enrico Weigelt
Hi, I've made the big mistake of bying an notebook w/ geforce go 6100. The proprietary drivers *never* worked for me - the binary kernel modules crashed the whole kernel (complete lockup) after a several seconds (doesnt even need X to come up for that). I've analyzed their module a bit and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-18 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Wednesday 18 June 2008, Enrico Weigelt wrote: Hi, I've made the big mistake of bying an notebook w/ geforce go 6100. The proprietary drivers *never* worked for me - the binary kernel modules crashed the whole kernel (complete lockup) after a several seconds (doesnt even need X to come

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-18 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: ATI? Which 3d drivers are as bad as nvidia from 'obfuscation' point of view and a lot worse if you compare the horror stories? The point is that *this* is changing with ATI. -- Nicolas Sebrecht -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-18 Thread Robert Bridge
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:04:40 +0200 Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've made the big mistake of bying an notebook w/ geforce go 6100. There is your problem. A notebook card. Even the nVidia site admits that the notebook cards are weird. The drivers support the chipset, but there are no

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-18 Thread Bob Young
-Original Message- From: Enrico Weigelt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:05 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida Hi, I've made the big mistake of bying an notebook w/ geforce go 6100. The proprietary drivers

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-18 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Thursday 19 June 2008, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: ATI? Which 3d drivers are as bad as nvidia from 'obfuscation' point of view and a lot worse if you compare the horror stories? The point is that *this* is changing with ATI. really? it is? and

[gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-17 Thread James
Platoali platoali at gmail.com writes: I want to know, what is the current status of ATI drivers in Linux? Does the problems have been solved? Can they compete with Nvidia? All religious questions, imho. Nvidia might have the latest edge in pure performance, but, the movement to open up

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-17 Thread Hal Martin
James wrote: Platoali platoali at gmail.com writes: I want to know, what is the current status of ATI drivers in Linux? Does the problems have been solved? Can they compete with Nvidia? Just a suggestion, wait about a month before you buy, if you can. Both ATi and nVidia are poised

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-17 Thread Galevsky
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Hal Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, I haven't had any difficulties with the nVidia drivers. I'm running a GeForce 7900GTX, which uses the same linux driver as the Quadro does. Same here with nvidia driver on a 8800GTS GC. A former ATI addict who left for

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-17 Thread Justin
Galevsky schrieb: On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Hal Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, I haven't had any difficulties with the nVidia drivers. I'm running a GeForce 7900GTX, which uses the same linux driver as the Quadro does. Same here with nvidia driver on a 8800GTS GC. A

[gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-17 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2008-06-17, Platoali [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, last night the graphic card of my laptop got broken. So I'm considering to replace it with a workstation for some graphic applications (Mainly blender and gimp.) I need 3d acceleration, and my poor laptop was rendering for hours to get my

[gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-17 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2008-06-17, Platoali [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this mean that AMD have not released 3d parts of the drivers? Do they plan to release the 3d parts? AMD hasn't release _any_ parts of the drivers, and they have no plans to do so. Although all tests have been run on windows. It seems that

[gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-17 Thread James
Platoali platoali at gmail.com writes: Although all tests have been run on windows. It seems that Ati have better hardware and it is also going to be more open source friendly in near future. I'm planning to use this workstation for 3 or 4 years or even more. So I'm thinking to risk a little

[gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-17 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2008-06-17, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17 Jun 2008, at 17:18, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: ... if you want to make a political statement: buy ATI if you want to use the card with almost no problems and good performance: buy nvidia. This comparison seems to rather neglect

[gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-17 Thread James
Hemmann, Volker Armin volker.armin.hemmann at tu-clausthal.de writes: This comparison seems to rather neglect Intel. because Intel does not produce amd chipsets. IMO Intel deserve our thanks for this for more than ATi or nVidia, and they deserve damnation for their monopolistic tactics,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-17 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Dienstag, 17. Juni 2008, James wrote: Hemmann, Volker Armin volker.armin.hemmann at tu-clausthal.de writes: This comparison seems to rather neglect Intel. because Intel does not produce amd chipsets. IMO Intel deserve our thanks for this for more than ATi or nVidia, and they

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-17 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: Definitely nVidia. Over the past few years I've had a 3-4 of each (ATI and nVidia). But now, it's not the same context. ATI specs are known and open source drivers coming. It's definitely different of the past few years. -- Nicolas Sebrecht --

[gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-17 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2008-06-17, Nicolas Sebrecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: Definitely nVidia. Over the past few years I've had a 3-4 of each (ATI and nVidia). But now, it's not the same context. ATI specs are known and open source drivers coming. I'll believe it

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-17 Thread Mark Kirkwood
Grant Edwards wrote: On 2008-06-17, Nicolas Sebrecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But now, it's not the same context. ATI specs are known and open source drivers coming. I'll believe it when I see it. It's definitely different of the past few years. I doubt it. Well,