Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE: unwanted dependencies
On Friday 13 Sep 2013 16:57:39 Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote: On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 06:04:09PM +0400, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: On 13.09.2013 17:50, Michael Palimaka wrote: On 13/09/2013 21:35, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: BTW, it seems that mysql is also a hard dependency for QT now. At least, the average joe can't be scorned any more for not having a server. Hey to all localhost admins! :) That shouldn't be the case. The default akonadi backend is mysql, why could explain why it's being pulled in. Yes, really, I was mislead, it is qtsql which requires setting the mysql flag, but I missed that it was due to akonadi. IIRC you can substitute mysql with sqlite by changing useflags. mysql seems the be the default though... WKR Hinnerk As far as I know sqlite is not going to be an option in the future - mysql was going to become a hard dependency for KDE. I hope to be wrong on this, but that's what I recall reading in some KDE devs post. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE: unwanted dependencies
On 13/09/2013 21:35, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: On 13.09.2013 14:14, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 13/09/2013 12:10, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: Hi people, I am about to update KDE from 4.10.4 to 4.11.1. Is it possible to avoid installing various nepomuks and akonadis which No Pity. appear to be required now? I have set USE=-semantic-desktop but it doesn't seem to help. While the USE flag has disappeared, you could try putting nepomuk and akonadi into your package.provided file. My current KDE installation is quite happy without that stuff (which also brings along tons of other crap). The KDE maintainers posted quite extensively about this some time back. Some time back I heard that KDE devs were striving to make KDE more modular. KDE upstream is, yes, and how this will affect semantic-desktop remains to be seen. It is too hard to try and extract semantic-desktop out of the KDE build whilst not breaking everything else. What you now do is allow the stuff to be built, and disable the function in System Settings. Well why wasn't it too hard before? It's not quite obvious why one's got to extract some additional functionality, as opposed to including it when needed. A strange approach, all in all. The decision to remove the USE flag happened mostly because it maintain, and was in general not well supported anyway. There have been a number of proposals about the situation: do nothing, do a full revert, or implement some compromise. I would hope that we make a final decision about this before stabilising any 4.11 version. BTW, it seems that mysql is also a hard dependency for QT now. At least, the average joe can't be scorned any more for not having a server. Hey to all localhost admins! :) That shouldn't be the case. The default akonadi backend is mysql, why could explain why it's being pulled in.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE: unwanted dependencies
On 13.09.2013 17:50, Michael Palimaka wrote: On 13/09/2013 21:35, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: On 13.09.2013 14:14, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 13/09/2013 12:10, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: Hi people, I am about to update KDE from 4.10.4 to 4.11.1. Is it possible to avoid installing various nepomuks and akonadis which No Pity. appear to be required now? I have set USE=-semantic-desktop but it doesn't seem to help. While the USE flag has disappeared, you could try putting nepomuk and akonadi into your package.provided file. My current KDE installation is quite happy without that stuff (which also brings along tons of other crap). The KDE maintainers posted quite extensively about this some time back. Some time back I heard that KDE devs were striving to make KDE more modular. KDE upstream is, yes, and how this will affect semantic-desktop remains to be seen. so there is hope? ;) It is too hard to try and extract semantic-desktop out of the KDE build whilst not breaking everything else. What you now do is allow the stuff to be built, and disable the function in System Settings. Well why wasn't it too hard before? It's not quite obvious why one's got to extract some additional functionality, as opposed to including it when needed. A strange approach, all in all. The decision to remove the USE flag happened mostly because it maintain, and was in general not well supported anyway. There have been a number of proposals about the situation: do nothing, do a full revert, or implement some compromise. I would hope that we make a final decision about this before stabilising any 4.11 version. Clear, then I'll opt to wait for the stable 4.11. BTW, it seems that mysql is also a hard dependency for QT now. At least, the average joe can't be scorned any more for not having a server. Hey to all localhost admins! :) That shouldn't be the case. The default akonadi backend is mysql, why could explain why it's being pulled in. Yes, really, I was mislead, it is qtsql which requires setting the mysql flag, but I missed that it was due to akonadi. Thank you for the detailed answer, Michael. -- Best wishes, Yuri K. Shatroff
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE: unwanted dependencies
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 06:04:09PM +0400, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: On 13.09.2013 17:50, Michael Palimaka wrote: On 13/09/2013 21:35, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: On 13.09.2013 14:14, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 13/09/2013 12:10, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: Hi people, I am about to update KDE from 4.10.4 to 4.11.1. Is it possible to avoid installing various nepomuks and akonadis which No Pity. appear to be required now? I have set USE=-semantic-desktop but it doesn't seem to help. While the USE flag has disappeared, you could try putting nepomuk and akonadi into your package.provided file. My current KDE installation is quite happy without that stuff (which also brings along tons of other crap). The KDE maintainers posted quite extensively about this some time back. Some time back I heard that KDE devs were striving to make KDE more modular. KDE upstream is, yes, and how this will affect semantic-desktop remains to be seen. so there is hope? ;) It is too hard to try and extract semantic-desktop out of the KDE build whilst not breaking everything else. What you now do is allow the stuff to be built, and disable the function in System Settings. Well why wasn't it too hard before? It's not quite obvious why one's got to extract some additional functionality, as opposed to including it when needed. A strange approach, all in all. The decision to remove the USE flag happened mostly because it maintain, and was in general not well supported anyway. There have been a number of proposals about the situation: do nothing, do a full revert, or implement some compromise. I would hope that we make a final decision about this before stabilising any 4.11 version. Clear, then I'll opt to wait for the stable 4.11. BTW, it seems that mysql is also a hard dependency for QT now. At least, the average joe can't be scorned any more for not having a server. Hey to all localhost admins! :) That shouldn't be the case. The default akonadi backend is mysql, why could explain why it's being pulled in. Yes, really, I was mislead, it is qtsql which requires setting the mysql flag, but I missed that it was due to akonadi. IIRC you can substitute mysql with sqlite by changing useflags. mysql seems the be the default though... WKR Hinnerk signature.asc Description: Digital signature
