[gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[»Q«]

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 22:21:59 +0100
Neil Bothwick  wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 15:43:54 -0500, »Q« wrote:
> 
> > My automatically-created sddm.conf has
> > 
> > [General]
> > HaltCommand=/sbin/shutdown -h -P now
> > Numlock=none
> > RebootCommand=/sbin/shutdown -r now
> > 
> > which looks alright to me.  I'll try troubleshooting this later,
> > but if anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate them any time.  
> 
> Mine has
> 
> [General]
> HaltCommand=
> RebootCommand=

Thanks.  That doesn't work for me.  Neither does putting mine in single
or double quotes.  Neither does switching sddm themes.

I don't actually ever want/need to shutdown or reboot from the greeter,
so I'll let it be.  I found ,
so I don't feel so all alone.  :)

(While poking around in their ticket tracker, I also found out that
every sddm developer is using systemd.  I was barely able to restrain
myself from smashing my laptop with a hammer.  ;)

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[»Q«]

On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 10:41:54 +0200
Alan McKinnon  wrote:

> On 14/04/2016 22:38, walt wrote:

> > Along the left edge of the screen you have a bunch of widgets for
> > CPU, disk, and network activity.  What kde/plasma stuff are you
> > using to do that, and does it all depend on ~arch packages?  Will
> > it still work tomorrow?  :p  
> 
> that's not plasma it's gkrell.
> 
> Been around for years and works just about everywhere
> I find the equivalent plasmoids are huge clunky and nowhere near as
> useful 

Conky also continues to work fine after the move to Plasma 5 -- I did
have to change own_window to 'yes' in conkyrc to get it to show up.  I
completely agree with you about the plasmoid widgets.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Alan McKinnon]

On 14/04/2016 22:38, walt wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 22:50:46 +0200
> Alan McKinnon  wrote:
> 
>> On 12/04/2016 22:46, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> 
 Unfortunately I can't attach a screenshot as proof - both remove
 their own window to do the capture :-)  
>>>
>>> import -window root screenshot.png
>>>   
>>
>> Hey that's neat! Attached...
> 
> Along the left edge of the screen you have a bunch of widgets for CPU,
> disk, and network activity.  What kde/plasma stuff are you using to do
> that, and does it all depend on ~arch packages?  Will it still work
> tomorrow?  :p
> 
> 

that's not plasma it's gkrell.

Been around for years and works just about everywhere
I find the equivalent plasmoids are huge clunky and nowhere near as useful

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[gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Jonathan Callen]

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On 04/14/2016 03:39 PM, Mick wrote:
> On Thursday 14 Apr 2016 11:21:39 Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
>> 14.04.2016 10:43, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>>> On Thursday, April 14, 2016 10:33:10 AM Yuri K. Shatroff
>>> wrote:
 14.04.2016 00:49, Dale wrote:
> Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
 Hi Dale,
 
> I'm not sure on where you got the black screen.  If it is
> when X started, did you switch to sddm or some other
> compatible display manager?  The old kdm isn't supported
> and from what I read, doesn't work.  That may explain the
> black screen.
 
 Sddm worked as expected, not to mention its veeery slow
 interface (for that nvidia drivers can be blamed, but
 whatever). The black screen appeared after logging in.
>>> 
>>> Slow interface? It works quite well on my laptop. Did you add
>>> the "sddm" user to the "video" group as mentioned in the
>>> upgrade guide?
>> 
>> No I didn't because I had a much more blatant issue with the
>> whole desktop than the 'SDDM display issues', I just didn't get
>> to that. Thanks for pointing it out, next time I'll give it a
>> try.
> 
> I don't have NVidia or use the full plasma desktop environment on
> my laptop (I use enlightenment instead with a Radeon card).
> However, I have not added sddm to the video group and have not
> noticed anything undue in my logs.  I have however noticed that
> sddm is slightly slower than kdm.
> 
> Why is the video group needed?  What does it do?
> 

The sddm user only needs to be in the video group if using the
proprietary NVIDIA driver, as it controls access to some low-level
device nodes created by that driver for the use of the NVIDIA driver's
userspace component.  It may be possible to use those device nodes to
perform certain privileged actions (the code behind them is in a
binary blob in the kernel with no source), so they are protected such
that only members of the video group can use them.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Mick]

On Thursday 14 Apr 2016 13:38:15 walt wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 22:50:46 +0200
> 
> Alan McKinnon  wrote:
> > On 12/04/2016 22:46, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> > >> Unfortunately I can't attach a screenshot as proof - both remove
> > >> their own window to do the capture :-)
> > > 
> > > import -window root screenshot.png
> > 
> > Hey that's neat! Attached...
> 
> Along the left edge of the screen you have a bunch of widgets for CPU,
> disk, and network activity.  What kde/plasma stuff are you using to do
> that, and does it all depend on ~arch packages?  Will it still work
> tomorrow?  :p

Do you mean app-admin/gkrellm ?

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[gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[walt]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 22:50:46 +0200
Alan McKinnon  wrote:

> On 12/04/2016 22:46, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:

> >> Unfortunately I can't attach a screenshot as proof - both remove
> >> their own window to do the capture :-)  
> > 
> > import -window root screenshot.png
> >   
> 
> Hey that's neat! Attached...

Along the left edge of the screen you have a bunch of widgets for CPU,
disk, and network activity.  What kde/plasma stuff are you using to do
that, and does it all depend on ~arch packages?  Will it still work
tomorrow?  :p

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Jonathan Callen]

On 04/13/2016 04:06 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 13/04/2016 07:43, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 10:55:54 PM Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>> 
>>> Huh. S now 2 days after updating all of kde, I get to do it 
>>> again. Lots and lots and lots of these:
>>> 
>>> [ebuild U  ] kde-frameworks/krunner-5.21.0:5/5.21::gentoo 
>>> [5.20.0:5/5.20::gentoo]
>> 
>> Are you running "unstable"?
> 
> Yeah, ~arch. I've run that almost everywhere for years
> 


Plasma 5 (kde-plasma/*) releases a new minor version every four
months, and bugfixes at the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 7th, and 12th week after that.

KDE Frameworks (kde-frameworks/*) releases a new minor version every
month.

KDE Applications (kde-apps/*) releases a new version every four months
(not on the same schedule as Plasma), and bugfixes each month that
there isn't a new version.

Overall, there are plenty of updates coming.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Dale]

»Q« wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 22:11:22 -0500
> Dale  wrote:
>
>> J. Roeleveld wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 01:21:37 PM Dale wrote:  
 J. Roeleveld wrote:  
 Once in there, I found lots of things to help get things to where
 I could work with them.  I found out that I could add multiple
 desktops back and at that point, the desktop pager thingy appeared
 and worked.  I guess when it is set to 1 desktop, it doesn't show
 up or something.  
>>> Which seems logical behaviour to me. And the same happened here
>>> after configuring it.  
>> It is logical.  I knew I had to enable multiple desktops but since the
>> settings thing wasn't working, I couldn't figure out how to enable
>> it. When I did a google search, I saw where several folks said it was
>> gone which caused me great concern.  I got to much stuff going on
>> right now to redo my whole setup.
> The whining about it being "gone" in your search results is probably
> because an important (to some people) feature is gone -- you can't have
> different backgrounds and widgets on different virtual desktops within
> the same activity any more.  Apparently that feature was buggy in 
> KDE 4, though I never had problems with it, so they decided to ditch
> it.  They have a plan to re-implement it, but I have no idea how long
> it might take.
>
> Earlier you said the new desktop didn't pick up any of the old KDE 4
> settings;  I can't find that post, so I'm replying here.  For me, it
> picked up a few at least.  Under KDE 4, I had changed my "location"
> directories, e.g. the pictures and music directories, and Plasma 5
> kept my locations intact.  I also had a couple of scripts in
> autostart, and Plasma 5 is using them;  I'm not sure if it copied them
> to a new location or just left them where they were. 
>
>
>

I found a couple articles/blogs about it but once I got to the point
that it was gone, I just figured it was gone all together.  I read one
of them pretty well since it was the one that was most on point and
recently written and it sounded like multiple desktops was just gone
completely.  I just hope that person eventually runs up on that setting
so they can get it back.  Of course, that said, I could make the
activity thing work but it would be one more thing to get used to.  I
was getting there with it.  One day, I just may switch to it because the
multiple desktops may be gone one day.  It's been around a long time
already. 

On the fresh config, I noticed that too.  At first, it seemed to start
out fresh but while digging around and getting to some things that were
not on the top of my list, I found some settings that were the same as
before but doubtful they would be a default.  So, it seems that some
settings that they knew should work did get moved over.  Still tho,
given the huge change, I wonder if a fresh start may not be a better
plan?  I guess it depends on just how much was changed, which is likely
a LOT. 

After using a day or so now, it has some good points.  It seems faster
but can't quite put my finger on it.  While some things are different
they do work fairly well.  It's much better than KDE3 to KDE4 type thing
for sure.  Only really bad thing, I still get the plasma crash pop up
and I have to click for it to restart and close the pop up.  It's
annoying but at least it restarts and works just like before.  I did do
a emerge -e world and restart everything.  It still crashes at times so
it isn't some code mismatch.  I'm going to dig around and see if I can
find some unstable packages to run for a while and see if they have a fix. 

Overall tho, it works.  Different but works.  It is leaps and bounds
better than hal.  Don't get me started on hal.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Neil Bothwick]

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 15:43:54 -0500, »Q« wrote:

> My automatically-created sddm.conf has
> 
> [General]
> HaltCommand=/sbin/shutdown -h -P now
> Numlock=none
> RebootCommand=/sbin/shutdown -r now
> 
> which looks alright to me.  I'll try troubleshooting this later, but if
> anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate them any time.

Mine has

[General]
HaltCommand=
RebootCommand=


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[gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[»Q«]

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 21:19:30 +0100
Neil Bothwick  wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:30:48 -0500, »Q« wrote:
> 
> > > > > That's because kdm is dead. I found sddm a little flakey. On
> > > > > my laptop it works more or less as expected, but on my
> > > > > desktop, selecting reboot or power off from the desktop drops
> > > > > me back to sddm without rebooting. I'm nit sure if this is an
> > > > > issue with sddm or plasma, maybe I'll try slim instead.  
> > > 
> > > > SDDM was doing that to me too until I created a default
> > > > config.  
> > > 
> > > That appears to have worked, thanks.
> > 
> > I have a default config, but I can't reboot or shutdown from sddm.
> > If I press one of those buttons, a 30-second timer starts.
> > Pressing more buttons to try to skip the timer just restarts the
> > timer.  Letting the timer run down, it gets to zero then goes
> > beyond, into negative integers.  
> 
> That's a different problem, mine was that I couldn't reboot or
> shutdown fro the desktop, it dropped me back as sddm as if I'd
> selected Logout. Then I could shutdown from sddm.

Thanks -- I understood you the first time but had forgotten what you
said by the time I replied downthread.  D'oh!

My automatically-created sddm.conf has

[General]
HaltCommand=/sbin/shutdown -h -P now
Numlock=none
RebootCommand=/sbin/shutdown -r now

which looks alright to me.  I'll try troubleshooting this later, but if
anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate them any time.


 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Neil Bothwick]

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:30:48 -0500, »Q« wrote:

> > > > That's because kdm is dead. I found sddm a little flakey. On my
> > > > laptop it works more or less as expected, but on my desktop,
> > > > selecting reboot or power off from the desktop drops me back to
> > > > sddm without rebooting. I'm nit sure if this is an issue with
> > > > sddm or plasma, maybe I'll try slim instead.
> >   
> > > SDDM was doing that to me too until I created a default config.
> > 
> > That appears to have worked, thanks.  
> 
> I have a default config, but I can't reboot or shutdown from sddm.  If
> I press one of those buttons, a 30-second timer starts.  Pressing more
> buttons to try to skip the timer just restarts the timer.  Letting the
> timer run down, it gets to zero then goes beyond, into negative
> integers.

That's a different problem, mine was that I couldn't reboot or shutdown
fro the desktop, it dropped me back as sddm as if I'd selected Logout.
Then I could shutdown from sddm.


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[gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[»Q«]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 22:11:22 -0500
Dale  wrote:

> J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 01:21:37 PM Dale wrote:  
> >> J. Roeleveld wrote:  

> >> Once in there, I found lots of things to help get things to where
> >> I could work with them.  I found out that I could add multiple
> >> desktops back and at that point, the desktop pager thingy appeared
> >> and worked.  I guess when it is set to 1 desktop, it doesn't show
> >> up or something.  

> > Which seems logical behaviour to me. And the same happened here
> > after configuring it.  
> 
> It is logical.  I knew I had to enable multiple desktops but since the
> settings thing wasn't working, I couldn't figure out how to enable
> it. When I did a google search, I saw where several folks said it was
> gone which caused me great concern.  I got to much stuff going on
> right now to redo my whole setup.

The whining about it being "gone" in your search results is probably
because an important (to some people) feature is gone -- you can't have
different backgrounds and widgets on different virtual desktops within
the same activity any more.  Apparently that feature was buggy in 
KDE 4, though I never had problems with it, so they decided to ditch
it.  They have a plan to re-implement it, but I have no idea how long
it might take.

Earlier you said the new desktop didn't pick up any of the old KDE 4
settings;  I can't find that post, so I'm replying here.  For me, it
picked up a few at least.  Under KDE 4, I had changed my "location"
directories, e.g. the pictures and music directories, and Plasma 5
kept my locations intact.  I also had a couple of scripts in
autostart, and Plasma 5 is using them;  I'm not sure if it copied them
to a new location or just left them where they were. 

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[»Q«]

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 00:17:48 +0100
Neil Bothwick  wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 14:00:37 -0700, Daniel Frey wrote:
> 
> > > That's because kdm is dead. I found sddm a little flakey. On my
> > > laptop it works more or less as expected, but on my desktop,
> > > selecting reboot or power off from the desktop drops me back to
> > > sddm without rebooting. I'm nit sure if this is an issue with
> > > sddm or plasma, maybe I'll try slim instead.  
> 
> > SDDM was doing that to me too until I created a default config.  
> 
> That appears to have worked, thanks.

I have a default config, but I can't reboot or shutdown from sddm.  If
I press one of those buttons, a 30-second timer starts.  Pressing more
buttons to try to skip the timer just restarts the timer.  Letting the
timer run down, it gets to zero then goes beyond, into negative
integers.  I can live with that;  it's rare that I want to shut down
from the login manager, and switching to a virtual terminal lets me
escape.

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[»Q«]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 22:43:26 +0200
Alan McKinnon  wrote:

> On 12/04/2016 22:31, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 10:18:50 PM Alan McKinnon wrote:  

> >> I unblocked them here, and re-emerged both. Nothing extra was
> >> pulled in, so there are no conflicting libs.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately I can't attach a screenshot as proof - both remove
> >> their own window to do the capture :-)  
> > 
> > Find a 3rd one to do it with.
> > Or take a picture with a mobile phone? :)  
> 
> I considered that, then I remembered that I'm a lazy sod, so I didn't!

A second instance of ksnapshot should work.  (But I don't need proof --
I believe you. :)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Alan McKinnon]

On 13/04/2016 07:43, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 10:55:54 PM Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> On 12/04/2016 22:46, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
>>> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 10:18:50PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> [...] I wasn't aware of Spectacle. I've just tried it an is seems to do
> much the same as ksnapshot, just with a lot more white space in the UI -
> but WTF do they block one another, they're only screen shot programs?

 [...]
 I unblocked them here, and re-emerged both. Nothing extra was pulled in,
 so there are no conflicting libs.

 Unfortunately I can't attach a screenshot as proof - both remove their
 own window to do the capture :-)
>>>
>>> import -window root screenshot.png
>>
>> Huh. S now 2 days after updating all of kde, I get to do it again. Lots
>> and lots and lots of these:
>>
>> [ebuild U  ] kde-frameworks/krunner-5.21.0:5/5.21::gentoo
>> [5.20.0:5/5.20::gentoo]
> 
> Are you running "unstable"?

Yeah, ~arch. I've run that almost everywhere for years


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[J. Roeleveld]

On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 10:19:39 PM Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 22:17:38 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > > I don't use the meta packages, preferring to define my own set with
> > > the packages I want, so I wasn't aware of Spectacle. I've just tried
> > > it an is seems to do much the same as ksnapshot, just with a lot more
> > > white space in the UI
> > 
> > Don't forget:
> > - No auto-incrementing of screenshot-numbers
> > - Always defaults to PNG (Why!?!!?!)
> > - Always defaults to a the ~/Pictures folder
> > 
> >(Folder can be adjusted in the settings, but why not the previous
> > 
> > one)
> > - When wanting to use "save as...", you first need to click the little
> > triangle
> 
> OK I accept when you start to actually use it rather than just giving it
> a try, it sucks!!

Yep.
Most common use-case for me (eg. once a month) is to take screenshots of the 
timesheet-application used at my customer to forward to my manager.
The "window" is a remote desktop of which I only need a certain section.

With KSnapshot the whole process takes less then 5 minutes.
With Spectacle it took me 30 minutes...

> > > - but WTF do they block one another, they're only screen shot
> > > programs?
> > 
> > I read somewhere there is a "wrapper" included to call Spectacle when
> > someone tries to start "ksnapshot"...
> 
> So it's a "compatibility layer" for people so stupid they shouldn't be
> running Gentoo in the first place...

Apparently.
But Alan McKinnon said the blockage is actually pointless as there is no 
conflict...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[J. Roeleveld]

On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 10:55:54 PM Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 12/04/2016 22:46, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 10:18:50PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >>> [...] I wasn't aware of Spectacle. I've just tried it an is seems to do
> >>> much the same as ksnapshot, just with a lot more white space in the UI -
> >>> but WTF do they block one another, they're only screen shot programs?
> >> 
> >> [...]
> >> I unblocked them here, and re-emerged both. Nothing extra was pulled in,
> >> so there are no conflicting libs.
> >> 
> >> Unfortunately I can't attach a screenshot as proof - both remove their
> >> own window to do the capture :-)
> > 
> > import -window root screenshot.png
> 
> Huh. S now 2 days after updating all of kde, I get to do it again. Lots
> and lots and lots of these:
> 
> [ebuild U  ] kde-frameworks/krunner-5.21.0:5/5.21::gentoo
> [5.20.0:5/5.20::gentoo]

Are you running "unstable"?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Neil Bothwick]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 22:17:38 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:

> > I don't use the meta packages, preferring to define my own set with
> > the packages I want, so I wasn't aware of Spectacle. I've just tried
> > it an is seems to do much the same as ksnapshot, just with a lot more
> > white space in the UI  
> 
> Don't forget:
> - No auto-incrementing of screenshot-numbers
> - Always defaults to PNG (Why!?!!?!)
> - Always defaults to a the ~/Pictures folder
>(Folder can be adjusted in the settings, but why not the previous
> one)
> - When wanting to use "save as...", you first need to click the little
> triangle

OK I accept when you start to actually use it rather than just giving it
a try, it sucks!! 
 
> > - but WTF do they block one another, they're only screen shot
> > programs?  
> 
> I read somewhere there is a "wrapper" included to call Spectacle when
> someone tries to start "ksnapshot"...

So it's a "compatibility layer" for people so stupid they shouldn't be
running Gentoo in the first place...


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Neil Bothwick]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 22:18:50 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> > I don't use the meta packages, preferring to define my own set with
> > the packages I want, so I wasn't aware of Spectacle. I've just tried
> > it an is seems to do much the same as ksnapshot, just with a lot more
> > white space in the UI - but WTF do they block one another, they're
> > only screen shot programs?  
> 
> There doesn't seem to be a good technical reason, maybe it's as simple
> as the maintainer thought there shouldn't be two competing apps with the
> same functionality?
> 
> I unblocked them here, and re-emerged both. Nothing extra was pulled in,
> so there are no conflicting libs.
> 
> Unfortunately I can't attach a screenshot as proof - both remove their
> own window to do the capture :-)

Run two copies, then you can snapshot one with the other ;-)


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Alan McKinnon]

On 12/04/2016 22:46, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 10:18:50PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> 
>>> [...] I wasn't aware of Spectacle. I've just tried it an is seems to do
>>> much the same as ksnapshot, just with a lot more white space in the UI -
>>> but WTF do they block one another, they're only screen shot programs?
>> [...]
>> I unblocked them here, and re-emerged both. Nothing extra was pulled in,
>> so there are no conflicting libs.
>>
>> Unfortunately I can't attach a screenshot as proof - both remove their
>> own window to do the capture :-)
> 
> import -window root screenshot.png
> 

Huh. S now 2 days after updating all of kde, I get to do it again. Lots
and lots and lots of these:

[ebuild U  ] kde-frameworks/krunner-5.21.0:5/5.21::gentoo
[5.20.0:5/5.20::gentoo]

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Frank Steinmetzger]

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 10:18:50PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> > [...] I wasn't aware of Spectacle. I've just tried it an is seems to do
> > much the same as ksnapshot, just with a lot more white space in the UI -
> > but WTF do they block one another, they're only screen shot programs?
> [...]
> I unblocked them here, and re-emerged both. Nothing extra was pulled in,
> so there are no conflicting libs.
> 
> Unfortunately I can't attach a screenshot as proof - both remove their
> own window to do the capture :-)

import -window root screenshot.png

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[J. Roeleveld]

On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 10:18:50 PM Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 12/04/2016 22:01, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:31:28 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> >>> I have ksnapshot in @world, so depclean didn't touch it.  It
> >>> still works fine.  Spectacle and ksnapshot block each other, but if
> >>> you unmerge spectacle you may be able to get a working ksnapshot
> >>> back, at least for now.
> >> 
> >> I know, had to copy a meta-ebuild ( kdegraphics-meta ) into my local
> >> overlay and modify it to pick ksnapshot though. As the later version
> >> only allows Spectacle.
> > 
> > I don't use the meta packages, preferring to define my own set with the
> > packages I want, so I wasn't aware of Spectacle. I've just tried it an is
> > seems to do much the same as ksnapshot, just with a lot more white space
> > in the UI - but WTF do they block one another, they're only screen shot
> > programs?
> 
> There doesn't seem to be a good technical reason, maybe it's as simple
> as the maintainer thought there shouldn't be two competing apps with the
> same functionality?
> 
> I unblocked them here, and re-emerged both. Nothing extra was pulled in,
> so there are no conflicting libs.
> 
> Unfortunately I can't attach a screenshot as proof - both remove their
> own window to do the capture :-)

Find a 3rd one to do it with.
Or take a picture with a mobile phone? :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Alan McKinnon]

On 12/04/2016 22:01, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:31:28 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> 
>>> I have ksnapshot in @world, so depclean didn't touch it.  It
>>> still works fine.  Spectacle and ksnapshot block each other, but if
>>> you unmerge spectacle you may be able to get a working ksnapshot
>>> back, at least for now.  
>>
>> I know, had to copy a meta-ebuild ( kdegraphics-meta ) into my local
>> overlay and modify it to pick ksnapshot though. As the later version
>> only allows Spectacle.
> 
> I don't use the meta packages, preferring to define my own set with the
> packages I want, so I wasn't aware of Spectacle. I've just tried it an is
> seems to do much the same as ksnapshot, just with a lot more white space
> in the UI - but WTF do they block one another, they're only screen shot
> programs?

There doesn't seem to be a good technical reason, maybe it's as simple
as the maintainer thought there shouldn't be two competing apps with the
same functionality?

I unblocked them here, and re-emerged both. Nothing extra was pulled in,
so there are no conflicting libs.

Unfortunately I can't attach a screenshot as proof - both remove their
own window to do the capture :-)


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[J. Roeleveld]

On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 09:01:16 PM Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:31:28 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > > I have ksnapshot in @world, so depclean didn't touch it.  It
> > > still works fine.  Spectacle and ksnapshot block each other, but if
> > > you unmerge spectacle you may be able to get a working ksnapshot
> > > back, at least for now.
> > 
> > I know, had to copy a meta-ebuild ( kdegraphics-meta ) into my local
> > overlay and modify it to pick ksnapshot though. As the later version
> > only allows Spectacle.
> 
> I don't use the meta packages, preferring to define my own set with the
> packages I want, so I wasn't aware of Spectacle. I've just tried it an is
> seems to do much the same as ksnapshot, just with a lot more white space
> in the UI

Don't forget:
- No auto-incrementing of screenshot-numbers
- Always defaults to PNG (Why!?!!?!)
- Always defaults to a the ~/Pictures folder
   (Folder can be adjusted in the settings, but why not the previous one)
- When wanting to use "save as...", you first need to click the little triangle


> - but WTF do they block one another, they're only screen shot
> programs?

I read somewhere there is a "wrapper" included to call Spectacle when someone 
tries to start "ksnapshot"...

> I did emerge it with USE=-kipi - why do I need that to take simple
> screenshots?

No clue, maybe to take screenshots when using compositing or similar?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Neil Bothwick]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:31:28 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:

> > I have ksnapshot in @world, so depclean didn't touch it.  It
> > still works fine.  Spectacle and ksnapshot block each other, but if
> > you unmerge spectacle you may be able to get a working ksnapshot
> > back, at least for now.  
> 
> I know, had to copy a meta-ebuild ( kdegraphics-meta ) into my local
> overlay and modify it to pick ksnapshot though. As the later version
> only allows Spectacle.

I don't use the meta packages, preferring to define my own set with the
packages I want, so I wasn't aware of Spectacle. I've just tried it an is
seems to do much the same as ksnapshot, just with a lot more white space
in the UI - but WTF do they block one another, they're only screen shot
programs?

I did emerge it with USE=-kipi - why do I need that to take simple
screenshots?


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Because oct 31 is the same as dec 25.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[J. Roeleveld]

On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 02:18:47 PM »Q« wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:04:08 +0200
> 
> "J. Roeleveld"  wrote:
> > I haven't found a decent colourscheme yet (There wasn't one for KDE4
> > either)
> 
> If you find one, please post here about it.  I started with Breeze and
> then changed some colors, but I really suck at that.
> 
> > My biggest complaint though:
> > KSnapshot has disappeared and been replaced by " Spectacle ".
> 
> I have ksnapshot in @world, so depclean didn't touch it.  It
> still works fine.  Spectacle and ksnapshot block each other, but if you
> unmerge spectacle you may be able to get a working ksnapshot back, at
> least for now.

I know, had to copy a meta-ebuild ( kdegraphics-meta ) into my local overlay 
and modify it to pick ksnapshot though. As the later version only allows 
Spectacle.

Problem is Ksnapshot is "dead code". I do hope they'll fix the interface of 
Spectacle. Does anyone know which of the many gazillion mailinglists for KDE 
is the best place to post to?

Thanks,

Joost

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[»Q«]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:04:08 +0200
"J. Roeleveld"  wrote:

> I haven't found a decent colourscheme yet (There wasn't one for KDE4
> either)

If you find one, please post here about it.  I started with Breeze and
then changed some colors, but I really suck at that.

> My biggest complaint though:
> KSnapshot has disappeared and been replaced by " Spectacle ".

I have ksnapshot in @world, so depclean didn't touch it.  It
still works fine.  Spectacle and ksnapshot block each other, but if you
unmerge spectacle you may be able to get a working ksnapshot back, at
least for now.