[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-08-01 Thread »Q«
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 12:15:28 +0100 Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk w On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 06:24:17 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: You can use it to prevent ebuilds from installing unit files or open-rc scripts from doing so (based on what you want to opt-out of). From the man

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-08-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 10:46:04 -0500, »Q« wrote: Everything is a file, nor does the man page say anything about not using it to mask out directories. Bearing in mind that this is the means chosen by the devs, it is reasonable to assume that it is practicable. Elsewhere, man make.conf

[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 31/07/13 18:26, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-07-31 11:20 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: If you don't use the systemd USE flag (and never install anything that depends on systemd), you will not get systemd installed, but many packages will install systemd unit files in

[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread »Q«
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:24:09 -0400 Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2013-07-31 8:41 AM, Yohan Pereira yohan.pere...@gmail.com wrote: On 31/07/13 at 08:30am, Tanstaafl wrote: So, how should this be used to 'opt out of systemd completely'? from main make.conf Use this

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:36:31 -0500, »Q« wrote: If this really is 'the one true way' to 'totally opt out of systemd', then in my opinion there should be a very thorough example of *how* to 'opt out of systemd' included in the man page. I'd rather not see man make.conf cluttered with

[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 30/07/2013 17:04, Pavel Volkov wrote: It is reliable, but for now I'll suggest adding -consolekit line into /etc/portage/profile/use.force (at least if you use default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop/kde profile like me) Good news, we will be making changes with KDE 4.11 so that we no longer

[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2013-07-31, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 01:09:03PM -0500, Canek Pel?ez Vald?s wrote: Hmmmn, it's a bit freaking weird - if I'm understanding correctly some of the statements made here about systemd - that there will be files installed to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Bruce Hill
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 06:31:36PM +, Grant Edwards wrote: In standard, formal English, that's correct. However, in some English dialects, a double-negatve does not equate to a positive. A double negative is simply a stronger negative. For example, don't do nothing is a stronger,

[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread walt
On 07/31/2013 11:09 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: There's an idea floating around that openrc could use systemd unit files but it's still just an idea. I must have crossed the line into grumpy-old-man-hood. That idea is insane. Someone is willing to re-write udev to use Lennart's config files but

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-30 Thread Pavel Volkov
On Monday 29 July 2013 14:04:38 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 28/07/13 11:22, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Basically, systemd is now a first class citizen in Gentoo (on par with OpenRC) This is great. Thanks to everyone involved! Does someone know whether a KDE system can work reliably with

[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-29 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 28/07/13 11:22, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Basically, systemd is now a first class citizen in Gentoo (on par with OpenRC) This is great. Thanks to everyone involved! Does someone know whether a KDE system can work reliably with systemd, or there still issues?

[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-28 Thread »Q«
On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 03:22:02 -0500 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: Basically, systemd is now a first class citizen in Gentoo (on par with OpenRC), and therefore there is no need at all for using my overlay. Thanks to all the people who helped me with pull requests and comments;