Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd-224 Look out for new networking behavior [FIXED]

2015-08-06 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 06/08/2015 20:28, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Thursday, August 06, 2015 02:59:09 PM Mick wrote: On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 22:47:43 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 05/08/2015 23:12, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 06:20:17 PM Mick wrote: On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 11:47:58 Alan McKinnon

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd-224 Look out for new networking behavior [FIXED]

2015-08-06 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Thursday, August 06, 2015 02:59:09 PM Mick wrote: On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 22:47:43 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 05/08/2015 23:12, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 06:20:17 PM Mick wrote: On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 11:47:58 Alan McKinnon wrote: Much of what makes

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd-224 Look out for new networking behavior [FIXED]

2015-08-06 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 22:47:43 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 05/08/2015 23:12, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 06:20:17 PM Mick wrote: On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 11:47:58 Alan McKinnon wrote: Much of what makes programming work has been dumbed down in recent years so that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd-224 Look out for new networking behavior [FIXED]

2015-08-05 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 6:18:07 AM Franz Fellner wrote: walt wrote: On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 08:19:37 +0200 Franz Fellner alpine.art...@gmail.com wrote: Fernando Rodriguez wrote: On Monday, August 03, 2015 6:41:22 PM walt wrote: That line declares *hostname as a constant and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd-224 Look out for new networking behavior [FIXED]

2015-08-05 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 05/08/2015 10:18, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: You can look at it like that, but more technically it's because C doesn't support out arguments, or reference arguments, or objects. All arguments are passed by value. You can return multiple values in a struct but it's not very convenient both

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd-224 Look out for new networking behavior [FIXED]

2015-08-05 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 11:47:58 Alan McKinnon wrote: Much of what makes programming work has been dumbed down in recent years so that employable persons without imagination[1] can have jobs and do something useful. I'm reminded of an old saw about PHP: The nice thing about php is it let's

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd-224 Look out for new networking behavior [FIXED]

2015-08-05 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 05/08/2015 19:20, Mick wrote: On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 11:47:58 Alan McKinnon wrote: Much of what makes programming work has been dumbed down in recent years so that employable persons without imagination[1] can have jobs and do something useful. I'm reminded of an old saw about PHP: The

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd-224 Look out for new networking behavior [FIXED]

2015-08-05 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 12:47:58 PM Alan McKinnon wrote: On 05/08/2015 10:18, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: In this context does 'hostname' mean a-pointer-to-a-pointer-to-the- charstring we actually need? Doesn't this code seem needlessly complicated? okay, screed

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd-224 Look out for new networking behavior [FIXED]

2015-08-05 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 06:20:17 PM Mick wrote: On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 11:47:58 Alan McKinnon wrote: Much of what makes programming work has been dumbed down in recent years so that employable persons without imagination[1] can have jobs and do something useful. I'm reminded of an

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd-224 Look out for new networking behavior [FIXED]

2015-08-05 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 05/08/2015 23:12, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 06:20:17 PM Mick wrote: On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 11:47:58 Alan McKinnon wrote: Much of what makes programming work has been dumbed down in recent years so that employable persons without imagination[1] can have jobs and do

[gentoo-user] Re: systemd-224 Look out for new networking behavior [FIXED]

2015-08-05 Thread walt
On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 23:00:36 +0200 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: the following page should be required study for everyone starting with programming. (It's for PHP, but should work for ALL languages): http://code.tutsplus.com/tutorials/why-youre-a-bad-php-programmer--net-18384

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd-224 Look out for new networking behavior [FIXED]

2015-08-05 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 12:47:58 PM Alan McKinnon wrote: Much of what makes programming work has been dumbed down in recent years so that employable persons without imagination[1] can have jobs and do something useful. I'm reminded of an old saw about PHP: It may be that in recent years

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd-224 Look out for new networking behavior [FIXED]

2015-08-04 Thread Franz Fellner
Fernando Rodriguez wrote: On Monday, August 03, 2015 6:41:22 PM walt wrote: That line declares *hostname as a constant and then the statement below proceeds to assign a value to the 'constant'. I wonder how many hours of frustration have been suffered by student programmers while trying to

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd-224 Look out for new networking behavior [FIXED]

2015-08-04 Thread Franz Fellner
walt wrote: On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 08:19:37 +0200 Franz Fellner alpine.art...@gmail.com wrote: Fernando Rodriguez wrote: On Monday, August 03, 2015 6:41:22 PM walt wrote: That line declares *hostname as a constant and then the statement below proceeds to assign a value to the

[gentoo-user] Re: systemd-224 Look out for new networking behavior [FIXED]

2015-08-04 Thread walt
On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 08:19:37 +0200 Franz Fellner alpine.art...@gmail.com wrote: Fernando Rodriguez wrote: On Monday, August 03, 2015 6:41:22 PM walt wrote: That line declares *hostname as a constant and then the statement below proceeds to assign a value to the 'constant'. I wonder how

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd-224 Look out for new networking behavior [FIXED]

2015-08-04 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 7:56 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: Let me give you one more example of syntax that I find unreasonable, and then I'll ask my *real* question, about which I hope you will have opinions. Okay, the statement I referred to above uses this notation: if

[gentoo-user] Re: systemd-224 Look out for new networking behavior [FIXED]

2015-08-03 Thread walt
On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 14:23:18 -0400 Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 11:16 AM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 08:03:11 -0700 walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: Oops, journalctl tells me that systemd-networkd is segfaulting repeatedly during boot.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd-224 Look out for new networking behavior [FIXED]

2015-08-03 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Monday, August 03, 2015 6:41:22 PM walt wrote: That line declares *hostname as a constant and then the statement below proceeds to assign a value to the 'constant'. I wonder how many hours of frustration have been suffered by student programmers while trying to understand the logic behind

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd-224 Look out for new networking behavior

2015-08-03 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 11:16 AM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 08:03:11 -0700 walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: I've been running systemd for a long time without needing to enable the dhcpcd service at boot time. Starting with systemd-224 that is no longer true. Oops,

[gentoo-user] Re: systemd-224 Look out for new networking behavior

2015-08-02 Thread walt
On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 08:03:11 -0700 walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: I've been running systemd for a long time without needing to enable the dhcpcd service at boot time. Starting with systemd-224 that is no longer true. Oops, journalctl tells me that systemd-networkd is segfaulting repeatedly

[gentoo-user] Re: systemd-224 Look out for new networking behavior

2015-08-02 Thread Martin Vaeth
walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: Oops, journalctl tells me that systemd-networkd is segfaulting repeatedly during boot. systemd has become very picky on cflags; e.g. -DNDEBUG and friends cause strange behaviour and segfaults.