[gentoo-user] Re: why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)

2014-08-18 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-08-16, behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com wrote:

 So can you please tell me why you have chosen a specific DE and not
 the other options ?

I've been running XFCE for a long time.

Before that, I didn't have a Desktop Environment at all, just the
fvwm window manager which I started using back before Linux kernel
version 1.00 came out [before Linux and fvwm were around, I mostly
used the twm window manager].  At some point many years ago, there
was some problem with fvwm that I couldn't work-around (I don't even
remember what it was). I tried Gnome and KDE, but they were just _way_
too big and slow, and they both seemed to think that the desktop was
the be-all-and-end-all of computation and should always being the
center of your attention and the user-up of all resources.

I run a computer in order to run various apps.  The desktop is just
there to manage windows and facilitate running those apps.  It should
otherwise stay out of the way, out of sight, and out of memory.

XFCE does a pretty good job of that.  XFCE isn't too big.  XFCE
doesn't think it should always be the star of the show and the center
of everybody's attention.  XFCE is stable: it doesn't get completely
re-designed, re-skinned, and broken every few years because people
finally figured how to actually use the old version and some new batch
of developers are bored and want to spray their scent all over
everything

Here's what my XFCE desktop looks like:

   http://www.panix.com/~grante/desktop.png
   
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[gentoo-user] Re: why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)

2014-08-18 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-08-17, Henrique Lengler henriquel...@openmailbox.org wrote:

 Whats the problem to use things that already exists?

 Why don't include software that is famous and liked by people insted
 of insist in their Kthings?

NIH syndrome?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)

2014-08-18 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 18.08.2014 um 17:50 schrieb Grant Edwards:
 On 2014-08-17, Henrique Lengler henriquel...@openmailbox.org wrote:

 Whats the problem to use things that already exists?

 Why don't include software that is famous and liked by people insted
 of insist in their Kthings?
 NIH syndrome?

that almost describes gnome people

but what was there before KDE started? xterm... Netscape Navigator
and not much else.

Ok, they could have done what gnome did.

Take some gtk app, add a dependency on gconf and gnome-vfs and call it a
'gnome app'.

There is a reason why Koffice is an office, while 'gnome office' is a
bunch of apps that don't know each other.

But back to NIH.

KDE developed dcop - and dcop was awesome. You could script your entire
KDE desktop with a bunch of simple dcop commands.

But that was not good enough for gnome. They, and the freedesktop.org
they infested were adamant: there must be a new desktop bus - it would
be called dbus and waiting for gnome and the demands of gnome-devs held
back KDE development