Re: [gentoo-user] Separate /usr [was: Clock is way off]

2007-05-10 Thread Naga
On Wednesday 09 May 2007 23.37.58 Neil Bothwick wrote: Recent is never recent enough. I used to think daily backups were fine, until a failure at 5pm cost me a day's work :( Once an hour synced across 3 computers, with a master copy made daily :) -- Naga -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Separate /usr [was: Clock is way off]

2007-05-10 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 10 May 2007, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: On Wednesday 09 May 2007 23:49:45 darren kirby wrote: I do have a separate /usr, but do not mount it readonly, as I --sync enough to make remounting it daily rather annoying. Congratulations! You've just explained why PORTDIR defaulting to

Re: [gentoo-user] Separate /usr [was: Clock is way off]

2007-05-10 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 10 May 2007, Neil Bothwick wrote: 3) Better still, http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Speeding_up_portage#Make_A_Sparse_File_to_ create_portage_in I never understood why portage on a sparse file is beneficial. Mine is on a small reiser logival volume mounted with option tail. It's just

Re: [gentoo-user] Separate /usr [was: Clock is way off]

2007-05-10 Thread Neil Bothwick
Hello Naga, Recent is never recent enough. I used to think daily backups were fine, until a failure at 5pm cost me a day's work :( Once an hour synced across 3 computers, with a master copy made daily :) Two separate backup methods, run alternate hours (in case one of them corrupts the

Re: [gentoo-user] Separate /usr [was: Clock is way off]

2007-05-10 Thread Neil Bothwick
Hello Alan McKinnon, I never understood why portage on a sparse file is beneficial. Mine is on a small reiser logival volume mounted with option tail. It's just big enough to hold portage with 10-15% free space (the tree doesn't expand that much over time). It is faster. If I were going

[gentoo-user] Separate /usr [was: Clock is way off]

2007-05-09 Thread Benno Schulenberg
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 09 May 2007 12:05:05 -0500, Dale wrote: I think you are supposed to link that localtime file instead of copying. If the file in zoneinfo gets updated then the one in /etc will still be the old one. You are not supposed to link it any more, because that will

Re: [gentoo-user] Separate /usr [was: Clock is way off]

2007-05-09 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 09 May 2007 19:53:08 +0200, Benno Schulenberg wrote: You are not supposed to link it any more, because that will break if /usr has not yet been mounted. Are there (still) people who have /usr on a separate partition? And if so, why? I do, because everything but / and /boot is

Re: [gentoo-user] Separate /usr [was: Clock is way off]

2007-05-09 Thread Randy Barlow
Benno Schulenberg wrote: Are there (still) people who have /usr on a separate partition? And if so, why? I only have /home and /usr/portage on separate partitions, everything else is on /, even /boot. I have /usr on a separate lvm device just so I can shift around drive space (my gentoo

Re: [gentoo-user] Separate /usr [was: Clock is way off]

2007-05-09 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 19:53 +0200, Benno Schulenberg wrote: Are there (still) people who have /usr on a separate partition? And if so, why? Because if you've got a lab full of similarly-configured workstations or a forward-facing cluster of load-balancing servers, it may be more convenient

Re: [gentoo-user] Separate /usr [was: Clock is way off]

2007-05-09 Thread Daniel Iliev
On Wed, 09 May 2007 19:53:08 +0200 Benno Schulenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there (still) people who have /usr on a separate partition? And if so, why? Yes, I'm one of those. Some say it gives performance boost (I'm not sure about it), but more importantly it gives (partial)

Re: [gentoo-user] Separate /usr [was: Clock is way off]

2007-05-09 Thread Neil Bothwick
Hello Daniel Iliev, Some say it gives performance boost (I'm not sure about it), but more importantly it gives (partial) protection from file system damage. How come? The partitions with most frequent writes are those containing /var /home and /tmp. In case of power failure or system lock-up

Re: [gentoo-user] Separate /usr [was: Clock is way off]

2007-05-09 Thread Daniel Iliev
On Wed, 9 May 2007 21:03:58 +0100 Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Daniel Iliev, Some say it gives performance boost (I'm not sure about it), but more importantly it gives (partial) protection from file system damage. How come? The partitions with most frequent writes are

Re: [gentoo-user] Separate /usr [was: Clock is way off]

2007-05-09 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 09 May 2007, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Separate /usr [was: Clock is way off]': Hello Daniel Iliev, Some say it gives performance boost (I'm not sure about it), but more importantly it gives (partial) protection from file system damage

Re: [gentoo-user] Separate /usr [was: Clock is way off]

2007-05-09 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 10 May 2007 00:21:06 +0300, Daniel Iliev wrote: You could also argue that /usr needs the least protection from filesystem damage, because it contains no data. /usr can be repaired with a reinstall, unlike /var, /home or /etc. That's a good point. Only for the sake of arguing:

Re: [gentoo-user] Separate /usr [was: Clock is way off]

2007-05-09 Thread darren kirby
quoth the Benno Schulenberg: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 09 May 2007 12:05:05 -0500, Dale wrote: I think you are supposed to link that localtime file instead of copying. If the file in zoneinfo gets updated then the one in /etc will still be the old one. You are not supposed to

Re: [gentoo-user] Separate /usr [was: Clock is way off]

2007-05-09 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 09 May 2007 22:22, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On Wednesday 09 May 2007, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Separate /usr [was: Clock is way off]': Hello Daniel Iliev, Some say it gives performance boost (I'm not sure about it), but more

Re: [gentoo-user] Separate /usr [was: Clock is way off]

2007-05-09 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Wednesday 09 May 2007 23:49:45 darren kirby wrote: I do have a separate /usr, but do not mount it readonly, as I --sync enough to make remounting it daily rather annoying. Congratulations! You've just explained why PORTDIR defaulting to /usr/portage is stupid. The logical location for the

Re: [gentoo-user] Separate /usr [was: Clock is way off]

2007-05-09 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 09 May 2007 15:49:45 -0600, darren kirby wrote: I have heard you can use a separate /usr to enhance security by mounting it readonly under normal circumstances. This way, bad guys can't mess with your binaries in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin, Instead of only being able to get at the really

Re: [gentoo-user] Separate /usr [was: Clock is way off]

2007-05-09 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 10 May 2007 01:01:32 +0200, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: I do have a separate /usr, but do not mount it readonly, as I --sync enough to make remounting it daily rather annoying. Congratulations! You've just explained why PORTDIR defaulting to /usr/portage is stupid. The logical

Re: [gentoo-user] Separate /usr [was: Clock is way off]

2007-05-09 Thread Aleksandar L. Dimitrov
On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 01:01 +0200, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: On Wednesday 09 May 2007 23:49:45 darren kirby wrote: I do have a separate /usr, but do not mount it readonly, as I --sync enough to make remounting it daily rather annoying. Congratulations! You've just explained why PORTDIR

Re: [gentoo-user] Separate /usr [was: Clock is way off]

2007-05-09 Thread darren kirby
quoth the Neil Bothwick: On Wed, 09 May 2007 15:49:45 -0600, darren kirby wrote: I have heard you can use a separate /usr to enhance security by mounting it readonly under normal circumstances. This way, bad guys can't mess with your binaries in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin, Instead of only

Re: [gentoo-user] Separate /usr [was: Clock is way off]

2007-05-09 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 09 May 2007 18:31:07 -0600, darren kirby wrote: quoth the Neil Bothwick: On Wed, 09 May 2007 15:49:45 -0600, darren kirby wrote: I have heard you can use a separate /usr to enhance security by mounting it readonly under normal circumstances. This way, bad guys can't mess

Re: [gentoo-user] Separate /usr [was: Clock is way off]

2007-05-09 Thread darren kirby
quoth the Neil Bothwick: The part I trimmed was though it seems to me if they have access to mess with your /usr they can mess with anything anyway so... which I guess could mean what you say you meant rather than how I read it. Sorry if you think I twisted your post, that wasn't my