Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-14 Thread Joachim Gwoke
On Tue, May 12, 2020, 11:58 PM Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:24 PM Daniel Frey wrote: > > > > On 5/12/20 10:54 AM, Joachim Gwoke wrote: > > > Been having trouble with mainly calibre 4.9.1-r2 and have since kept it > > > out of any emerges. Otherwise everything is alright with

Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-13 Thread Daniel Frey
On 5/12/20 1:57 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:24 PM Daniel Frey wrote: On 5/12/20 10:54 AM, Joachim Gwoke wrote: Been having trouble with mainly calibre 4.9.1-r2 and have since kept it out of any emerges. Otherwise everything is alright with python 3.7 on my side I

Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-12 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:24 PM Daniel Frey wrote: > > On 5/12/20 10:54 AM, Joachim Gwoke wrote: > > Been having trouble with mainly calibre 4.9.1-r2 and have since kept it > > out of any emerges. Otherwise everything is alright with python 3.7 on > > my side > > > > > > I believe mine was

Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-12 Thread Joachim Gwoke
On Tue, May 12, 2020, 10:05 PM Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:01 PM Joachim Gwoke > wrote: > > > > Each time I did a system update and re-emerging calibre was required it > always failed so I leave it out of any system update and will keep it that > way. > > > > Sounds like a

Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-12 Thread Daniel Frey
On 5/12/20 10:54 AM, Joachim Gwoke wrote: Been having trouble with mainly calibre 4.9.1-r2 and have since kept it out of any emerges. Otherwise everything is alright with python 3.7 on my side I believe mine was soundconverter, but now I'm not so sure. It wanted something other than 3.7,

Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-12 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:01 PM Joachim Gwoke wrote: > > Each time I did a system update and re-emerging calibre was required it > always failed so I leave it out of any system update and will keep it that > way. > Sounds like a possible bug. There are some build/install issues reported in

Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-12 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 1:54 PM Joachim Gwoke wrote: > > Been having trouble with mainly calibre 4.9.1-r2 and have since kept it out > of any emerges. Otherwise everything is alright with python 3.7 on my side > As long as you're not doing anything too crazy you should be ok just setting

Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-12 Thread Joachim Gwoke
On Tue, May 12, 2020, 9:49 PM Steve Evans wrote: > On Tue, 12 May 2020 20:54:58 +0300 > Joachim Gwoke wrote: > > > Been having trouble with mainly calibre 4.9.1-r2 and have since kept > > it out of any emerges. Otherwise everything is alright with python > > 3.7 on my side > > > > calibre

Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-12 Thread Steve Evans
On Tue, 12 May 2020 20:54:58 +0300 Joachim Gwoke wrote: > Been having trouble with mainly calibre 4.9.1-r2 and have since kept > it out of any emerges. Otherwise everything is alright with python > 3.7 on my side > calibre 4.9.1-r2 works fine for me with Python 3.7. What trouble have you been

Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-12 Thread Joachim Gwoke
Been having trouble with mainly calibre 4.9.1-r2 and have since kept it out of any emerges. Otherwise everything is alright with python 3.7 on my side Joachim On Tue, May 12, 2020, 5:22 PM Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:02 AM Daniel Frey wrote: > > > > On 5/12/20 6:52 AM,

Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-12 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:02 AM Daniel Frey wrote: > > On 5/12/20 6:52 AM, Victor Ivanov wrote: > > Python has indeed been a bit of a mess recently for me as well, but I > > haven't had any major issues. Presumably, this could be attributed to > > the fact that since python migrations started I

Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-12 Thread Daniel Frey
On 5/12/20 6:52 AM, Victor Ivanov wrote: Python has indeed been a bit of a mess recently for me as well, but I haven't had any major issues. Presumably, this could be attributed to the fact that since python migrations started I have been using the --changed-deps flag to emerge, which I noticed

Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-12 Thread Victor Ivanov
Python has indeed been a bit of a mess recently for me as well, but I haven't had any major issues. Presumably, this could be attributed to the fact that since python migrations started I have been using the --changed-deps flag to emerge, which I noticed did help to clean a few things up during

Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-12 Thread Alessandro Barbieri
Yes, I have trouble too in upgrading. Python is messy now: I don't want Python3_8 targets but some package require them (for what reason?). Also a boost slot conflict. Il Mar 12 Mag 2020, 04:03 Raphael MD ha scritto: > Hello, > > I’ve been realizing to update Gentoo is becoming worse every

Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-12 Thread Alessandro Barbieri
Please do not start a flame war Il Mar 12 Mag 2020, 10:31 Ashley Dixon ha scritto: > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 01:36:34AM -0300, Raphael MD wrote: > > I’ve been noted that Systemd is putting hard dependency in things like > > Bluetooth, today is difficult rely upon a system without Bluetooth. > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-12 Thread lego12239
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:26:40PM +0300, Consus wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:22:32PM +0300, lego12...@yandex.ru wrote: > > Yes and no. Funtoo use portage like gentoo - yes. But this is a > > different distro. Without systemd and GLEP 81. > > Does this distro have any users aside from

Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-12 Thread Ashley Dixon
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:16:21PM +0300, Consus wrote: > So from "people generally prefer to keep a safe distance" we instantly > jump to "some folks don't like the design"? That was quick :D Sorry, I should have reviewed my non-specific wording before I sent. When I originally said

Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-12 Thread Consus
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:22:32PM +0300, lego12...@yandex.ru wrote: > Yes and no. Funtoo use portage like gentoo - yes. But this is a > different distro. Without systemd and GLEP 81. Does this distro have any users aside from Angry Vincent and DRobbins?

Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-12 Thread lego12239
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:10:44PM +0300, Consus wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 11:45:51AM +0300, lego12...@yandex.ru wrote: > > And, of course, funtoo ;-). > > That's basically rebrended Gentoo with some additional packages. Yes and no. Funtoo use portage like gentoo - yes. But this is a

Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-12 Thread Consus
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 05:14:39PM +0800, Pengcheng Xu wrote: > Just to remind that quite a few Debian folks use OpenRC as well; it's > in their official repos... A few :)

Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-12 Thread Consus
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:10:18AM +0100, Ashley Dixon wrote: > I'm not claiming it is not extremely popular; many of its intuitive > features render it more attractive to a general user-base, however > from a computer science perspective, it is an absolutely travesty of > modern

RE: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-12 Thread Pengcheng Xu
e: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult > > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 09:30:49AM +0100, Ashley Dixon wrote: > > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 01:36:34AM -0300, Raphael MD wrote: > > > I’ve been noted that Systemd is putting hard dependency in things > > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-12 Thread Consus
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 11:45:51AM +0300, lego12...@yandex.ru wrote: > And, of course, funtoo ;-). That's basically rebrended Gentoo with some additional packages.

Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-12 Thread Ashley Dixon
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 11:35:51AM +0300, Consus wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 09:30:49AM +0100, Ashley Dixon wrote: > > systemd, and Lennart Poettering (the anti-Christ of open-source) in > > general, have a history of placing "hard" dependencies on stupid things, > > sometimes to push

Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-12 Thread lego12239
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 11:35:51AM +0300, Consus wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 09:30:49AM +0100, Ashley Dixon wrote: > > systemd, and Lennart Poettering (the anti-Christ of open-source) in > > general, > > have a history of placing "hard" dependencies on stupid things, > > sometimes

Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-12 Thread Consus
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 09:30:49AM +0100, Ashley Dixon wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 01:36:34AM -0300, Raphael MD wrote: > > I’ve been noted that Systemd is putting hard dependency in things like > > Bluetooth, today is difficult rely upon a system without Bluetooth. > > systemd, and Lennart

Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-12 Thread Ashley Dixon
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 01:36:34AM -0300, Raphael MD wrote: > I’ve been noted that Systemd is putting hard dependency in things like > Bluetooth, today is difficult rely upon a system without Bluetooth. systemd, and Lennart Poettering (the anti-Christ of open-source) in general, have a

Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-11 Thread Raphael MD
I’ve been noted that Systemd is putting hard dependency in things like Bluetooth, today is difficult rely upon a system without Bluetooth. Anyone know some systemd manual to quickly put a system to run? I was guessing could be easy install a systemd, but I’m realizing that isn’t. Thanks --

Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-11 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 10:02 PM Raphael MD wrote: > > now suffering with python 3.6/3.8 dependency mess. > On anything but a simple system it seems very difficult to deal with the python update without overriding the python flags on at least some packages. I recommend maintaining these in a

[gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult

2020-05-11 Thread Raphael MD
Hello, I’ve been realizing to update Gentoo is becoming worse every time. My 2018 install, that I’ve recently update because python, was still those days running like a square wheel. I was trying to update my KDE profile 17, but was a pain, I’ve suffered a lot, many blocks, flag problems,