Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-02-07 Thread Vladimir G. Ivanovic

on 02/05/2008 10:21 AM Neil Bothwick said the following:

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:58:26 -0800, Vladimir G. Ivanovic wrote:

I cannot get bridged netwokring to work, no matter what I try. I have 
searched high and low for an answer, and I have spend hours 
experimenting. Bridged networking broke for me when 2.6.21 came out 
and has never worked since.


Is the host on a wired or wireless network? I found bridged wouldn't work
over wireless, so I use NAT on my laptop.


I don't know if this is relevant, but two things:

1. The VMware devices that are used are VMware Accelerated AMD PCNet 
Adapter #5 (for NAT on vmnet8) and VMware Accelerated AMD PCNet 
Adapter #4 (for eth0 on vmnet0). I wonder why they aren't assigned to 
adapters in the range 0-3?  I never see adapter #0 or #1, even when I 
use WinXP's Device Manager (with hidden devices visible).


2. There is a Gentoo directory called /etc/vmware/vmnet8, but no 
directory /etc/vmware0. Yes, the eth0 bridge is up:


$ ps -efww | fgrep bridge
  ==
root 30055  1  0 09:32 ? 00:00:00   \ 
/opt/vmware/workstation/bin/vmnet-bridge -d \ 
/var/run/vmnet-bridge-0.pid /dev/vmnet0 eth0


/dev/vmnet0 exists and has the same owner and permissions as /dev/vmnet8.

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-02-07 Thread Vladimir G. Ivanovic

on 02/05/2008 10:21 AM Neil Bothwick said the following:

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:58:26 -0800, Vladimir G. Ivanovic wrote:

I cannot get bridged netwokring to work, no matter what I try. I have 
searched high and low for an answer, and I have spend hours 
experimenting. Bridged networking broke for me when 2.6.21 came out 
and has never worked since.


Is the host on a wired or wireless network? I found bridged wouldn't work
over wireless, so I use NAT on my laptop


I have both, but bridged networking (for me) works with neither. With 
eth0, I get a Limited Connectivity state in WinXP; with ath0 (D-Link 
DWL-G650 PC card) I get Disabled.


I recently tried the vanilla 2.6.23-14 vanilla sources to see if that 
made a difference, but it did not. Of course I used the same .config 
file that I am using for my gentoo-sources kernel.


If someone could send me their .config file for 
gentoo-sources-2.6.23-r6 that they use on a laptop, I'll give that it 
a try.


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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-02-07 Thread Vladimir G. Ivanovic

on 02/07/2008 11:56 AM Vladimir G. Ivanovic said the following:
2. There is a Gentoo directory called /etc/vmware/vmnet8, but no 
directory /etc/vmware0. Yes, the eth0 bridge is up:


should be
/etc/vmwware/vmnet0

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-02-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:58:26 -0800, Vladimir G. Ivanovic wrote:

 I cannot get bridged netwokring to work, no matter what I try. I have 
 searched high and low for an answer, and I have spend hours 
 experimenting. Bridged networking broke for me when 2.6.21 came out 
 and has never worked since.

Is the host on a wired or wireless network? I found bridged wouldn't work
over wireless, so I use NAT on my laptop.


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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-02-05 Thread Drew Tomlinson

Neil Bothwick wrote:

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:58:26 -0800, Vladimir G. Ivanovic wrote:

  
I cannot get bridged netwokring to work, no matter what I try. I have 
searched high and low for an answer, and I have spend hours 
experimenting. Bridged networking broke for me when 2.6.21 came out 
and has never worked since.



Is the host on a wired or wireless network? I found bridged wouldn't work
over wireless, so I use NAT on my laptop.
  


There is a unofficial hack discussed at 
http://communities.vmware.com/thread/95630?tstart=0start=0.  It has 
worked for many but not for me.  If anyone knows any other tricks, I'd 
be happy to hear about them.  I'm using a gentoo 2.6.23-r5 kernel with 
the Broadcom 4311 driver.


Cheers,

Drew


  


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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-02-04 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Friday 01 February 2008 17:03:49 Michael Sullivan wrote:
 On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 16:47 +, Peter Humphrey wrote:
  On Friday 01 February 2008 13:21:38 Michael Sullivan wrote:
   Hos anyone been able to get 6.0.2 to work?
 
  Of what? I'm running app-emulation/vmware-server-1.0.4.56528 with no
  problems.
 
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 app-emulation/vmware-workstation-6.0.2

Maybe it'd be worth trying vmware-server instead?

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-02-04 Thread Michael Higgins
On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:47:28 +
Peter Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Friday 01 February 2008 13:21:38 Michael Sullivan wrote:
 
  Hos anyone been able to get 6.0.2 to work?
 

Yes. I posted pretty much the whole session to the list.

app-emulation/vmware-workstation-6.0.2.59824 is what I installed.

(BTW, I started the thread. Perhaps you can find the post where I show
what I ran into in your mail storage or some online archive.)

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Re: [OT] [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-02-03 Thread Dan Farrell
On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 08:56:22 -0600
Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 and
 Civilization III fails because some security module can't be found...

You might try a no-cd crack, if this is indeed caused by 
copyprotection as I suspect.  I think they're legal to use (if
you have a license for the game, of course) and to write/download,
although there's no guarantee that you'll download the right thing and
not a virus, or that it will actually help.  

I run all the games I can with nocd cracks anyway, so that I don't have
to put in the CD.  
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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-02-01 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 30 January 2008 19:58:26 Vladimir G. Ivanovic wrote:

 I cannot get bridged netwokring to work, no matter what I try. I have
 searched high and low for an answer, and I have spend hours
 experimenting. Bridged networking broke for me when 2.6.21 came out
 and has never worked since.

On the other hand, it's working just fine here on 2.6.23-gentoo-r3. Not much 
consolation, I suppose, but at least it does work some of the time, for 
some people.

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-02-01 Thread Pintér Tibor

works fine more me, and always worked.
workstation 5.5 has issues with it though, so upgrade to 6.0.x

t

Peter Humphrey wrote:

On Wednesday 30 January 2008 19:58:26 Vladimir G. Ivanovic wrote:


I cannot get bridged netwokring to work, no matter what I try. I have
searched high and low for an answer, and I have spend hours
experimenting. Bridged networking broke for me when 2.6.21 came out
and has never worked since.


On the other hand, it's working just fine here on 2.6.23-gentoo-r3. Not much 
consolation, I suppose, but at least it does work some of the time, for 
some people.



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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-02-01 Thread Michael Sullivan

On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 11:32 +0100, Pintér Tibor wrote:
 works fine more me, and always worked.
 workstation 5.5 has issues with it though, so upgrade to 6.0.x
 
 t
 
 Peter Humphrey wrote:
  On Wednesday 30 January 2008 19:58:26 Vladimir G. Ivanovic wrote:
  
  I cannot get bridged netwokring to work, no matter what I try. I have
  searched high and low for an answer, and I have spend hours
  experimenting. Bridged networking broke for me when 2.6.21 came out
  and has never worked since.
  
  On the other hand, it's working just fine here on 2.6.23-gentoo-r3. Not 
  much 
  consolation, I suppose, but at least it does work some of the time, for 
  some people.
  

Hos anyone been able to get 6.0.2 to work?  I tried to evaluate it, but
everything crashes when I try to enter the serial number.  There's an
outstanding bug at b.g.o and I filed a support request about a week ago
with VMWare, but they haven't touched it yet...

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-02-01 Thread Jerry McBride
On Friday 01 February 2008 08:21:38 am Michael Sullivan wrote:
 On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 11:32 +0100, Pintér Tibor wrote:
  works fine more me, and always worked.
  workstation 5.5 has issues with it though, so upgrade to 6.0.x
 
  t
 
  Peter Humphrey wrote:
   On Wednesday 30 January 2008 19:58:26 Vladimir G. Ivanovic wrote:
   I cannot get bridged netwokring to work, no matter what I try. I have
   searched high and low for an answer, and I have spend hours
   experimenting. Bridged networking broke for me when 2.6.21 came out
   and has never worked since.
  
   On the other hand, it's working just fine here on 2.6.23-gentoo-r3. Not
   much consolation, I suppose, but at least it does work some of the
   time, for some people.

 Hos anyone been able to get 6.0.2 to work?  I tried to evaluate it, but
 everything crashes when I try to enter the serial number.  There's an
 outstanding bug at b.g.o and I filed a support request about a week ago
 with VMWare, but they haven't touched it yet...

Hmmm... With all the fresh posts about vware, I too tried it recently and my 
results were the same as yours... clich help, enter serial number and bang... 
crash. I thought it was me... :')

Try virtualbox... similar to vmware.

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-02-01 Thread Michael Sullivan

On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 09:40 -0500, Jerry McBride wrote:
 On Friday 01 February 2008 08:21:38 am Michael Sullivan wrote:
  On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 11:32 +0100, Pintér Tibor wrote:
   works fine more me, and always worked.
   workstation 5.5 has issues with it though, so upgrade to 6.0.x
  
   t
  
   Peter Humphrey wrote:
On Wednesday 30 January 2008 19:58:26 Vladimir G. Ivanovic wrote:
I cannot get bridged netwokring to work, no matter what I try. I have
searched high and low for an answer, and I have spend hours
experimenting. Bridged networking broke for me when 2.6.21 came out
and has never worked since.
   
On the other hand, it's working just fine here on 2.6.23-gentoo-r3. Not
much consolation, I suppose, but at least it does work some of the
time, for some people.
 
  Hos anyone been able to get 6.0.2 to work?  I tried to evaluate it, but
  everything crashes when I try to enter the serial number.  There's an
  outstanding bug at b.g.o and I filed a support request about a week ago
  with VMWare, but they haven't touched it yet...
 
 Hmmm... With all the fresh posts about vware, I too tried it recently and my 
 results were the same as yours... clich help, enter serial number and bang... 
 crash. I thought it was me... :')
 
 Try virtualbox... similar to vmware.
 
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Civilization II - my wife running Win98 can't connect to me) and
Civilization III fails because some security module can't be found...

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-02-01 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Friday 01 February 2008 13:21:38 Michael Sullivan wrote:

 Hos anyone been able to get 6.0.2 to work?

Of what? I'm running app-emulation/vmware-server-1.0.4.56528 with no 
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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-02-01 Thread Michael Sullivan

On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 16:47 +, Peter Humphrey wrote:
 On Friday 01 February 2008 13:21:38 Michael Sullivan wrote:
 
  Hos anyone been able to get 6.0.2 to work?
 
 Of what? I'm running app-emulation/vmware-server-1.0.4.56528 with no 
 problems.
 
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Re: Re[2]: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-01-30 Thread Ricardo Saffi Marques
On 1/30/08, Sergey Kobzar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There are no special kernel requirements for server and workstation.


Even though I put the support for Virtualization. People with processors for
the Core 2 family or AMD with AM2 socket should do that. :-)


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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-01-30 Thread Vladimir G. Ivanovic

on 01/29/2008 12:28 PM Ricardo Saffi Marques said the following:
On 1/29/08, *Neil Bothwick* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


That's not the case with VMware Workstation.


Exactly. That's exactly the point that I forgot to specify on my 1st 
message, hehehee. That's basically the main difference between them.


AFAICT, the use pattern for the two is different: The VMware 
Workstation user is expect to work primarily with the unemulated host 
OS and only secondarily with the emulated guest OS, whereas the VMware 
Server user is expected to work (exclusively?) with an emulated OS.


This means that most of the time the VMware Server user is running an 
application on an OS that itself is running on anther OS, whereas the 
VMware Workstation user is just running an application on an OS.


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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-01-30 Thread Vladimir G. Ivanovic

on 01/29/2008 02:02 PM Neil Bothwick said the following:

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:21:36 -0500, Jerry McBride wrote:


Also, vmware does not currently run on the most recent kernels.


It's working on 2.6.23 and 2.6.24 here.




I cannot get bridged netwokring to work, no matter what I try. I have 
searched high and low for an answer, and I have spend hours 
experimenting. Bridged networking broke for me when 2.6.21 came out 
and has never worked since.


Now nothing except NAT and host-only networking works. So, until this 
bridged networking is fixed, I cannot recommend VMware Workstation to 
anyone.


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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-01-29 Thread Ricardo Saffi Marques
On 1/29/08, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That's not the case with VMware Workstation.


Exactly. That's exactly the point that I forgot to specify on my 1st
message, hehehee. That's basically the main difference between them.

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-01-29 Thread Ricardo Saffi Marques
On 1/29/08, Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey Mike,

 I passed on vmware for my use as it is quite the overkill for my simple
 needs. Also, vmware does not currently run on the most recent kernels. And
 secondly, you only get to use it for 30 days... the vmware workstation
 evaluation copy that is.


Apply to VMware Workstation. VMware Server is free.

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-01-29 Thread Jerry McBride
On Tuesday 29 January 2008 04:26:01 pm Ricardo Saffi Marques wrote:
 On 1/29/08, Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hey Mike,
 
  I passed on vmware for my use as it is quite the overkill for my simple
  needs. Also, vmware does not currently run on the most recent kernels.
  And secondly, you only get to use it for 30 days... the vmware
  workstation evaluation copy that is.

 Apply to VMware Workstation. VMware Server is free.

That and I believe the server package requires vm support in the cpu while the 
workstation does not.

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-01-29 Thread Cristian Gary
probe VirtualBox .


[gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-01-29 Thread Michael Higgins
Hello, folks --

Most days, I work remotely from the 'ndoze net via rdesktop when I have
to access it for some reason. But the bandwidth there is getting choked
as others follow suit.

I'm thinking I'd have a better time of it if I just had my own little
toybox -- I mean, Windows XP installation -- at home. Sure, I can
dual-boot, but then I lose the whole of my reasons for having a real
OS. And I'd put up another machine, but I have enough anxiety over the
ones I have to maintain already. Why bring that kind of trouble into
your home?

So, the quick question is, is VM Ware the best way to go? I think XP is
still lurking on a partition here... and I do need to run Internet
Extorter, Outlook, etc... pretend I'm in their domain...

At any rate, I'm hoping some on the list can give me a leg up on this.

My first question is, what does this mean to me:

* app-emulation/vmware-workstation
 Available versions:  4.5.3.19414-r7 5.5.5.56455 ~6.0.1.55017!f
~6.0.2.59824!f

... when I downloaded the evaluation license and a tar.gz, does that
satisfy the !f, for example? What do I do with it, then? I do notice
the version number matches.

And the other question I hate to ask -- I'm pretty sure there is one,
but, if there is a Gentoo HOW-TO on this process, where is it and IS IT
UP TO DATE??? ;-)

Any and all pointers welcome!

. . .

I just read through a bunch of stuff on-line, found the vmware overlay,
and I feel less sure of how to proceed than before writing this. '-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-01-29 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:37:22 -0200, Ricardo Saffi Marques wrote:

 We've been using VMware Server and VMware Server Console at our lab.
 Everything works really good. The point is that you can't use a real
 phisical partition of any of your disks. You have to create a virtual
 disk for the guest system.


That's not the case with VMware Workstation.


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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-01-29 Thread Jerry McBride
Michael Higgins wrote:

 Hello, folks --
 
 Most days, I work remotely from the 'ndoze net via rdesktop when I have
 to access it for some reason. But the bandwidth there is getting choked
 as others follow suit.
 
 I'm thinking I'd have a better time of it if I just had my own little
 toybox -- I mean, Windows XP installation -- at home. Sure, I can
 dual-boot, but then I lose the whole of my reasons for having a real
 OS. And I'd put up another machine, but I have enough anxiety over the
 ones I have to maintain already. Why bring that kind of trouble into
 your home?
 
 So, the quick question is, is VM Ware the best way to go? I think XP is
 still lurking on a partition here... and I do need to run Internet
 Extorter, Outlook, etc... pretend I'm in their domain...
 
 At any rate, I'm hoping some on the list can give me a leg up on this.
 
 My first question is, what does this mean to me:
 
 * app-emulation/vmware-workstation
      Available versions:  4.5.3.19414-r7 5.5.5.56455 ~6.0.1.55017!f
 ~6.0.2.59824!f
 
 ... when I downloaded the evaluation license and a tar.gz, does that
 satisfy the !f, for example? What do I do with it, then? I do notice
 the version number matches.
 
 And the other question I hate to ask -- I'm pretty sure there is one,
 but, if there is a Gentoo HOW-TO on this process, where is it and IS IT
 UP TO DATE??? ;-)
 
 Any and all pointers welcome!
 
 . . .
 
 I just read through a bunch of stuff on-line, found the vmware overlay,
 and I feel less sure of how to proceed than before writing this. '-)
 
 Cheers,
 

Hey Mike,

I passed on vmware for my use as it is quite the overkill for my simple
needs. Also, vmware does not currently run on the most recent kernels. And
secondly, you only get to use it for 30 days... the vmware workstation
evaluation copy that is.

Over here, I decided to go the qemu/kqemu route. Although I am only able to
emerge kqemu, with qemu-softmmu failing miserably... I was able to download
a binary off the Qemu website and it runs beautifully. 

Although I don't like running windows in qemu... it's a resource hog bar none,
linux in qemu is a jewel. You can find excellent install and usage
instructions in the obvious places like the wiki, forums and the Qemu
webpage. You can also find a gem of an article about it on the LINUX
JOURNAL website. It'll give you quite a detailed howto with the windows
installation.  My first qemu experiments involved windows98se and windows xp. 
By a factor of maybe 2, windows xp was slower than molasses when compared to 
win98se. Since then I've managed a few linux images and I've been thinking 
about trying a BSD image just for the experience of it.

I don't know if vmware provides cow files, Qemu does... what this allows is
for you to setup your windows image anyway you want, then reload your qemu 
image with cow file support enabled... and any modifications made during your 
windows session is written to the cow file, not your windows image. If things 
get really, really hashed up, closeup Qemu... delete the cow file and start 
afresh... A perfect way to dump the worms, viri, malware, etc... or your 
accidentally hosed linux image...

Really, really good stuff.

Cheers.

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-01-29 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:21:36 -0500, Jerry McBride wrote:

 Also, vmware does not currently run on the most recent kernels.

It's working on 2.6.23 and 2.6.24 here.


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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-01-29 Thread Alex Schuster
Jerry McBride writes:

 I passed on vmware for my use as it is quite the overkill for my simple
 needs. Also, vmware does not currently run on the most recent kernels.
 And secondly, you only get to use it for 30 days... the vmware
 workstation evaluation copy that is.

Right, but you can use the vmware player for free with existing VMs. You 
can even create VMs from scratch, there are some websites which offer 
this, you fill in information about the OS, memory and such, and get a 
config file you can use with the vmware player.

[..]
 allows is for you to setup your windows image anyway you want, then
 reload your qemu image with cow file support enabled... and any
 modifications made during your windows session is written to the cow
 file, not your windows image. If things get really, really hashed up,
 closeup Qemu... delete the cow file and start afresh... A perfect way
 to dump the worms, viri, malware, etc... or your accidentally hosed
 linux image...

With VMware, you can create snapshots of your VMs, and revert to older 
ones if you like. Or you can use VMs in undoable mode, and decide whether 
you want to keep the changes made since the VM was started.


I do not know qemu yet, but I guess it may be easier to setup. You are 
right about the recent kernels, the vmware modules did not compile for me 
several times until vmware released patches. Quite annoying. But apart 
from that, vmware works quite well.

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-01-29 Thread Jerry McBride
On Tuesday 29 January 2008 05:02:58 pm Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:21:36 -0500, Jerry McBride wrote:
  Also, vmware does not currently run on the most recent kernels.

 It's working on 2.6.23 and 2.6.24 here.

When I was at the vmware website, browsing the system requirements it listed 
older versions of both linux distributions and kernel versions. Perhaps those 
were the supported settings and the versions outside of that are the 
unsupported fare?

I never installed vmware, just simply too big while other vmanagers are much 
smaller.

Thanks for the note though... maybe I'll have a look soon too.

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-01-29 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:36:43 -0500, Jerry McBride wrote:

  It's working on 2.6.23 and 2.6.24 here.  
 
 When I was at the vmware website, browsing the system requirements it
 listed older versions of both linux distributions and kernel versions.
 Perhaps those were the supported settings and the versions outside of
 that are the unsupported fare?


Exactly, and by the same token, you'll find Gentoo is unsupported
whatever the kernel version. VMware Workstation is a commercial product,
so the compatibility list is more do do with compatibility with their
support team than the software.


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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-01-29 Thread b.n.
Cristian Gary ha scritto:
 probe VirtualBox .

Any more info on how does it compare to vmware or qemu?

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-01-29 Thread Michael Higgins
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:49:30 +
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:20:38 -0800, Michael Higgins wrote:
 
  So, the quick question is, is VM Ware the best way to go? I think
  XP is still lurking on a partition here... and I do need to run
  Internet Extorter, Outlook, etc... pretend I'm in their domain...
 
 VMware is a good way to go, whether it's the best is open to debate.
 While you can run it from a physical partition, trying to use an
 existing install may cause problems. At the very least you'll need to
 re-activate is with MS because it is now running on a different
 computer (the virtual one).
 
  * app-emulation/vmware-workstation
   Available versions:  4.5.3.19414-r7 5.5.5.56455 ~6.0.1.55017!f
  ~6.0.2.59824!f
  
  ... when I downloaded the evaluation license and a tar.gz, does that
  satisfy the !f, for example? What do I do with it, then? I do
  notice the version number matches.
 
 If you try to emerge it, you will be told which file to download and
 where to put it. Put the one you have in $DISTDIR and use the -v
 option with emerge. If it shows a 0KB download, you know you have the
 right file.
 
 

So, here's how it went, more or less:
emerge -av =app-emulation/vmware-workstation-6.0.2.59824

[ nope... ]

echo app-emulation/vmware-workstation ~x86 \
app-emulation/vmware-modules ~x86 \
dev-cpp/libsexymm ~x86 \
x11-libs/libview ~x86  /etc/portage/package.keywords

[ so: ]

[ebuild  N] app-emulation/vmware-modules-1.0.0.17-r1  483 kB 
[ebuild  N] dev-cpp/libsexymm-0.1.9  USE=-debug -doc 341 kB 
[ebuild  N] x11-libs/libview-0.6.1  USE=-debug 274 kB 
[ebuild  N F  ] app-emulation/vmware-workstation-6.0.2.59824  213,943
kB 

Total: 4 packages (4 new), Size of downloads: 215,039 kB
Fetch Restriction: 1 package (1 unsatisfied)
[...]
  
http://download3.vmware.com/software/wkst/VMware-workstation-6.0.2-59824.i386.tar.gz
   =
`/portdir/portage/distfiles/VMware-workstation-6.0.2-59824.i386.tar.gz' ... 
 * Fetch failed for 'app-emulation/vmware-workstation-6.0.2.59824'

[ so I: ]

 mv dump/downloads/VMware-workstation-6.0.2-59824.i386.tar.gz \
 /portdir/portage/distfiles/

# emerge -av =app-emulation/vmware-workstation-6.0.2.59824

Total: 1 package (1 new), Size of downloads: 0 kB [ ... thanks, Neil! ]
Fetch Restriction: 1 package
...

* checking
vmware-any-any-update115.tar.gz ;-) ...   [ ok ]

[ but I must first: ]
* Rebuild dev-cpp/gtkmm with USE=accessibility

echo dev-cpp/gtkmm accessibility  /etc/portage/package.use
emerge -av dev-cpp/gtkmm
...

Machine crashes, locks hard... I clean the CPU heatsink fan... :( 

emerge --resume

 * Messages for package app-emulation/vmware-workstation-6.0.2.59824:

 * Fallback PaX marking -m
 * VMWare allows for the potential of overwriting files as root.  Only
 * give VMWare access to trusted individuals.
 * Remember, in order to run VMware Workstation, you have to
 * be in the 'vmware' group.
 * You need to run 
 * /opt/vmware/workstation/bin/vmware-config.pl
 * to complete the install.
 * After configuring, run vmware-workstation to launch
 * Also note that when you reboot you should run:
 * /etc/init.d/vmware start
 * before trying to run vmware.  Or you could just add it to
 * the default runlevel:
 * rc-update add vmware default
 * GNU info directory index is up-to-date.

Linux lbg2 2.6.23-gentoo-r6 #1 Sun Jan 27 22:25:30 PST 2008 i686 AMD
Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux

passwd -a myuser vmware
Adding user myuser to group vmware

Running /opt/vmware/workstation/bin/vmware-config.pl 

[I know no surely appropriate answer to any of the questions, but: ]
 * Loading vmblock for drag and drop
support ...  [ ok ]
 * Starting VMware
services:  [ ok ]
 *   Virtual machine
monitor  [ ok ]
 *   Bridged networking
on /dev/vmnet0[ ok ]
 *   DHCP server
on /dev/vmnet1   [ ok ]
 *   Host-only networking
on /dev/vmnet1  [ ok ]
 *   DHCP server
on /dev/vmnet8   [ ok ]
 *   NAT service
on /dev/vmnet8   [ ok ]
 *   Host-only networking
on /dev/vmnet8  [ ok ]
 *   Virtual
ethernet [ ok ]

The configuration of VMware Workstation 6.0.2 build-59824 for Linux for
this running kernel completed successfully.

You can now run VMware Workstation by invoking the following command: 
/opt/vmware/workstation/bin/vmware.

I installed it. It runs. Now what?

After configuring, run vmware-workstation to launch

# which vmware-workstation
which: no vmware-workstation in (/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin)

updatedb

locate vmware-workstation |grep -v -P 'db/pkg|cache|portage'
...

Okay, so that was a ruse. Hmm. Yes, I 

Re[2]: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-01-29 Thread Sergey Kobzar
Hi Neil,

Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 9:45:45 PM, you wrote:

 On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:37:22 -0200, Ricardo Saffi Marques wrote:

 We've been using VMware Server and VMware Server Console at our lab.
 Everything works really good. The point is that you can't use a real
 phisical partition of any of your disks. You have to create a virtual
 disk for the guest system.


 That's not the case with VMware Workstation.

VMware Server supports raw disks too. You can mount partition from
physical disk to virtual machine easily.

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Re[2]: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-01-29 Thread Sergey Kobzar
Hi Neil,

Wednesday, January 30, 2008, 1:23:50 AM, you wrote:

 Exactly, and by the same token, you'll find Gentoo is unsupported
 whatever the kernel version. VMware Workstation is a commercial product,
 so the compatibility list is more do do with compatibility with their
 support team than the software.

You are right. We are using VMware with Gentoo as host and guest OS
more than a year w/o problems.

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Re[2]: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-01-29 Thread Sergey Kobzar
Hi Alex,

Wednesday, January 30, 2008, 12:07:50 AM, you wrote:

 I do not know qemu yet, but I guess it may be easier to setup. You are
 right about the recent kernels, the vmware modules did not compile for me
 several times until vmware released patches. Quite annoying. But apart
 from that, vmware works quite well.

It works well on 2.6.23  2.6.24.


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Re[2]: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

2008-01-29 Thread Sergey Kobzar
Hi Jerry,

Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 11:59:42 PM, you wrote:


 That and I believe the server package requires vm support in the cpu while the
 workstation does not.

There are no special kernel requirements for server and workstation.


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