Re: FeatureRequest Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-06-11 Thread Bertram Scharpf
Hi, Am Sonntag, 10. Jun 2007, 15:06:03 -0500 schrieb Karl Haines: Color is pretty ;) lol. It makes things interesting! I agree however that there might need to be some way to turn it off easily. As far as I see, most e* tools respond on an appended |cat or have at least a non-color option. Ok,

FeatureRequest Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-06-10 Thread Robert Welz
Am 04.04.2007 um 06:17 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Why do --nocolor and --color=n not work (sys-apps/portage-2.1.2.3)? Why does the damned thing default to thinking I want blaring bizarre colors scattered all over my screen? I fully agree! But not only for portage (emerge) but for the

Re: FeatureRequest Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-06-10 Thread Karl Haines
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Color is pretty ;) lol. It makes things interesting! I agree however that there might need to be some way to turn it off easily. Robert Welz wrote: Am 04.04.2007 um 06:17 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Why do --nocolor and --color=n not work

Re: FeatureRequest Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-06-10 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Sunday 10 June 2007, Karl Haines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: FeatureRequest Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?': Color is pretty ;) lol. It makes things interesting! I agree however that there might need to be some way to turn it off

Re: FeatureRequest Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-06-10 Thread Kevin O'Gorman
On 6/10/07, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 10 June 2007, Karl Haines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: FeatureRequest Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?': Color is pretty ;) lol. It makes things interesting! I agree

Re: FeatureRequest Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-06-10 Thread Daniel Pielmeier
I also dislike the colorization, but for a more specific reason. Gentoo seems to assume one is using white on black rather than the default black on white in terminal windows. This makes yellow lettering entirely unreadable to me. If I could just change all occurrences of yellow to

Re: FeatureRequest Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-06-10 Thread Graham Murray
Kevin O'Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I also dislike the colorization, but for a more specific reason. Gentoo seems to assume one is using white on black rather than the default black on white in terminal windows. This makes yellow lettering entirely unreadable to me. If I could just

Re: FeatureRequest Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-06-10 Thread Karl Haines
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kevin O'Gorman wrote: On 6/10/07, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 10 June 2007, Karl Haines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: FeatureRequest Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-16 Thread Bryan Whitehead
Go back to using Solaris ya old fart! ;) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 07:36:49AM +0200, Bo ?rsted Andresen wrote: Weren't you talking about portage? In that case you should obviously file it against portage.. But yeah, any app that has a --nocolor equivalent that

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-09 Thread Dan Farrell
On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 19:25:03 -0400 David Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 17:56:21 +0100 Neil Bothwick wrote: Hello Dan Farrell, Unfortunately, everything above syl.claws 2.4 is masked testing on x86_64, and I don't want to get my hands dirty on this one.

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
Hello Dan Farrell, Hey tony, maybe this is beyond your control, or maybe you don't care, and if not i respect your autonomy in such matters, but your reply block punctuation character '|' defeats the very helpful colorization of my and many other browsers that use the usual '' character to

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-08 Thread Dan Farrell
On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 09:36:20 +0100 Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Dan Farrell, Hey tony, maybe this is beyond your control, or maybe you don't care, and if not i respect your autonomy in such matters, but your reply block punctuation character '|' defeats the very helpful

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
Hello Dan Farrell, Unfortunately, everything above syl.claws 2.4 is masked testing on x86_64, and I don't want to get my hands dirty on this one. Perhaps one day... The problem here is that Claws development is proceeding so quickly that no ebuild gets to spend the normal 30 days in testing

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-08 Thread David Relson
On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 17:56:21 +0100 Neil Bothwick wrote: Hello Dan Farrell, Unfortunately, everything above syl.claws 2.4 is masked testing on x86_64, and I don't want to get my hands dirty on this one. Perhaps one day... The problem here is that Claws development is proceeding so

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-07 Thread Dan Farrell
On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 21:07:02 +0200 Tony Stohne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mick said the following on 2007-04-05 19:07: | ... | Hmm, neither less not cat give me color output. Passing --color=y to either | tells me things like: |

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-07 Thread Tony Stohne
Dan Farrell said the following on 2007-04-07 19:26: Hey tony, maybe this is beyond your control, or maybe you don't care, and if not i respect your autonomy in such matters, but your reply block punctuation character '|' defeats the very helpful colorization of my and many other browsers that

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-06 Thread Graham Murray
W.Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I would like to know is why less in a console does give colour syntax highlighting, but does NOT do so in any of the X terminals Ive tried ... Or why when run in a console the output stays on the screen when you exit less, thus allowing you to refer

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-06 Thread Neil Bothwick
Hello Graham Murray, Or why when run in a console the output stays on the screen when you exit less, thus allowing you to refer to it when typing the next command, but in an X terminal it 'collapses' to just the command prompt on exit. That one was enough to get me to switch from less to

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-06 Thread Benno Schulenberg
Graham Murray wrote: Or why when run in a console the output stays on the screen when you exit less, thus allowing you to refer to it when typing the next command, but in an X terminal it 'collapses' to just the command prompt on exit. If you want the VT behaviour also in X, then alias less

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-06 Thread Paul Colquhoun
On Fri, 6 Apr 2007, Benno Schulenberg wrote: Graham Murray wrote: Or why when run in a console the output stays on the screen when you exit less, thus allowing you to refer to it when typing the next command, but in an X terminal it 'collapses' to just the command prompt on exit. If

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-06 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Thursday 05 April 2007 19:07:33 Mick wrote: Not really. Just use --color=y if you want colors through a pipe. Hmm, neither less not cat give me color output.  Passing --color=y to either tells me things like: --color=y was for emerge to enable colors through a pipe. less needs -R to show

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-06 Thread Mick
On Thursday 05 April 2007 20:07, Tony Stohne wrote: Mick said the following on 2007-04-05 19:07: | ... | Hmm, neither less not cat give me color output. Passing --color=y to either | tells me things like: | == | There is no color=y option (less --help for

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-06 Thread Mick
On Friday 06 April 2007 12:06, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: --color=y was for emerge to enable colors through a pipe. less needs -R to show them. I'm coming to the conclusion that something must be amiss in my set up because with or without -R, less shows black white content only. This is an

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-06 Thread Tony Stohne
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mick said the following on 2007-04-06 17:44: | ... | That's good. It shows the regexp in colour and makes it easy to find amidst | the text. However, what I had in mind was many different colours, like I can | see e.g. in vim? Is such a thing

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-05 Thread Bertram Scharpf
Hi, Am Dienstag, 03. Apr 2007, 21:17:39 -0700 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Why do --nocolor and --color=n not work (sys-apps/portage-2.1.2.3)? Why does the damned thing default to thinking I want blaring bizarre colors scattered all over my screen? I did not read the whole thread. So this

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-05 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Thursday 05 April 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?': 31334 I think you meant 31337. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-05 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 04 April 2007 07:22, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: On Wednesday 04 April 2007 08:19:47 Graham Murray wrote: Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First of all I believe most people (including myself) very much prefer colors over no colors (no I cannot qualify with any

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-05 Thread Tony Stohne
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mick said the following on 2007-04-05 19:07: | ... | Hmm, neither less not cat give me color output. Passing --color=y to either | tells me things like: | == | There is no color=y option (less --help for help) |

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-05 Thread Tony Stohne
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tony Stohne said the following on 2007-04-05 21:07: | ... | To make less interpret color escape sequences, you need the -R option. | export LESS=-R in your shell startup script and you-ll have it as | default. or simply put alias less=less -R,

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-05 Thread Tony Stohne
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tony Stohne said the following on 2007-04-05 21:14: | ... | or simply put alias less=less -R, without the quotes, in your | ~/.bashrc or in the systemwide bashrc in /etc. | Ooops - sorry for the redundant info. I'm a bit tired... //T -BEGIN PGP

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-05 Thread W.Kenworthy
On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 18:07 +0100, Mick wrote: On Wednesday 04 April 2007 07:22, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: On Wednesday 04 April 2007 08:19:47 Graham Murray wrote: Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First of all I believe most people (including myself) very much prefer ...

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread Graham Murray
Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First of all I believe most people (including myself) very much prefer colors over no colors (no I cannot qualify with any numbers..). That does not, however, mean that the pipe detection and --color switch etc. shouldn't be honoured. It should

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Wednesday 04 April 2007 08:19:47 Graham Murray wrote: Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First of all I believe most people (including myself) very much prefer colors over no colors (no I cannot qualify with any numbers..). That does not, however, mean that the pipe detection

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
Hello Roy Wright, The beryl negate feature is good for interactive viewing of these insane color schemes (using both bright yellow and dark blue in foreground means one or the other will be impossible to read regardless of background color). http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Remap_Portage_Colors

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread felix
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 07:36:49AM +0200, Bo ?rsted Andresen wrote: Weren't you talking about portage? In that case you should obviously file it against portage.. But yeah, any app that has a --nocolor equivalent that doesn't work deserves a bug report.. Even for apps that don't it's

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Tuesday 03 April 2007 23:17:39 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip: Rant re: portage's stupid color behavior] Amen. I'm not sure *exactly* what the solution is, but portage needs help in the color department. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread Andrey Gerasimenko
On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:32:45 +0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 07:36:49AM +0200, Bo ?rsted Andresen wrote: Weren't you talking about portage? In that case you should obviously file it against portage.. But yeah, any app that has a --nocolor equivalent that doesn't work

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread Alexis Lahouze
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrey Gerasimenko a écrit : On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:32:45 +0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 07:36:49AM +0200, Bo ?rsted Andresen wrote: [snip] The UNIX standard for ages has been simple text output. Why must gentoo add

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Wednesday 04 April 2007 09:32:45 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Weren't you talking about portage? In that case you should obviously file it against portage.. But yeah, any app that has a --nocolor equivalent that doesn't work deserves a bug report.. Even for apps that don't it's reasonable

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Wednesday 04 April 2007 12:15:40 Andrey Gerasimenko wrote: Why not create a better color scheme and submit it as a bug report? Because a 'better' color scheme is a subjective thing. You aren't going to satisfy everyone and as Neil pointed out you can already define your own color scheme.

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread Daniel Iliev
Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: On Wednesday 04 April 2007 12:15:40 Andrey Gerasimenko wrote: Why not create a better color scheme and submit it as a bug report? Because a 'better' color scheme is a subjective thing. You aren't going to satisfy everyone and as Neil pointed out you can

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:09:30 +0300, Daniel Iliev wrote: Exactly. So, MHO is that it would be better if all the output from console apps was just plain text with the option for people who want colors to enable and customize colors, wouldn't it? Why? all you're doing there is changing to a

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread felix
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 01:37:55PM +0200, Bo ?rsted Andresen wrote: Both portage (that includes emerge) and revdep-rebuild seems to honour NOCOLOR=true if put into /etc/make.conf. No they don't. I have had that line since the day I first noticed it, and I still get unreadable color output.

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread Neil Walker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 01:37:55PM +0200, Bo ?rsted Andresen wrote: Both portage (that includes emerge) and revdep-rebuild seems to honour NOCOLOR=true if put into /etc/make.conf. No they don't. They do here. Be lucky, Neil --

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread felix
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 03:29:42PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:09:30 +0300, Daniel Iliev wrote: Exactly. So, MHO is that it would be better if all the output from console apps was just plain text with the option for people who want colors to enable and customize

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread Rob Rutherford
On 4/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And if ALL THESE CAPS distress you and you think I am shouting, well goodness gracious, NOW YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT COLORIZATION RUN AMUCK. Caps don't distress me, but they do encourage me to add you to my junk mail filter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread Jan Seeger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 To add my 2c to this discussion: I am using the latest stable portage for amd64 (2.1.2.2) and portage respects the --nocolor options. And I am sure that a non working argument to portage would long ago have been reported as a bug. So either

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Wednesday 04 April 2007 17:53:21 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (b) Switching color off is easier than you might imagine, since all of the following DO NOT WORK: TERM=vt100 |less NOCOLOR=true --nocolor --color=n editing /usr/bin/emerge to always set havecolor = 0 They all work for the

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 08:53:21 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why? all you're doing there is changing to a different default colour scheme (one where all text is the same). I really don't see the point in changing, when I suspect the majority prefer colours. Switching colour on and off is

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread b.n.
Neil Bothwick ha scritto: I have felt no need to do the latter, but all the others work for me, as does editing /etc/portage/color.map. I was just thinking of suggesting portage to use and honour colour themes? -this would please both him (using a plain no colour theme) and us wanting eye

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
Hello b.n., I have felt no need to do the latter, but all the others work for me, as does editing /etc/portage/color.map. I was just thinking of suggesting portage to use and honour colour themes? -this would please both him (using a plain no colour theme) and us wanting eye candy

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread Benno Schulenberg
b.n. wrote: However /etc/portage/color.map looks just like what I was thinking about... except for the fact I can't find it (and locate tells me nothing too). I made a man page for it once. Don't know if it's still accurate: https://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=89762 Benno --

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Mittwoch, 4. April 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 03:29:42PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:09:30 +0300, Daniel Iliev wrote: Exactly. So, MHO is that it would be better if all the output from console apps was just plain text with the option

[gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-03 Thread felix
Why do --nocolor and --color=n not work (sys-apps/portage-2.1.2.3)? Why does the damned thing default to thinking I want blaring bizarre colors scattered all over my screen? What bozo thought all those colors were legible on every frikking terminal and checking for --nocolor was unnecesary? I

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-03 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Wednesday 04 April 2007 06:17:39 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do --nocolor and --color=n not work (sys-apps/portage-2.1.2.3)? [SNIP] I am so tired of this crap. Even editing /usr/bin/emerge to always set output.havecolor to 0 doesn't disable color. I have to copy and paste into an editor

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-03 Thread Dale
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do --nocolor and --color=n not work (sys-apps/portage-2.1.2.3)? Why does the damned thing default to thinking I want blaring bizarre colors scattered all over my screen? What bozo thought all those colors were legible on every frikking terminal and checking for

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-03 Thread felix
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 06:29:45AM +0200, Bo ?rsted Andresen wrote: On Wednesday 04 April 2007 06:17:39 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do --nocolor and --color=n not work (sys-apps/portage-2.1.2.3)? [SNIP] I am so tired of this crap. Even editing /usr/bin/emerge to always set

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-03 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Wednesday 04 April 2007 07:13:06 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to copy and paste into an editor just to read the error messages. Easier to just pipe the output into less. Doesn't always work. Whatever generates the color ignores TERM and --nocolor and color=n, and doesn't always

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-03 Thread Roy Wright
Dale wrote: I thought I was the only one that had to copy and paste it to Kwrite to read it. Sorry to say I'm not alone here. :-( He seems, well, . . . pissed. :/ The beryl negate feature is good for interactive viewing of these insane color schemes (using both bright yellow and dark

Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-03 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Wednesday 04 April 2007 07:48:51 Roy Wright wrote: echo Syncing overlays... layman -S produces email message containing: Syncing overlays... svn: Working copy '/usr/portage/local/layman/sunrise' locked svn: run 'svn cleanup' to remove locks (type 'svn help cleanup' for details)