Re: [gentoo-user] crosscompiling...the point of view
On Mon, Aug 06, 2012 at 06:37:07PM +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com [12-08-06 17:36]: On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:01 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, I am asking, because I found not only one description of somehow complicated setups to compile a distribution (namely gentoo) for a platform A (Beaglebone TI OMAP4) on that platform with distcc to speedup things or with emulated chroot environments based on qemu... I thought it would be the easiest to compile the whole stuff on a host system B with a crosscompilation toolchain...but may be I have overlooked something important... Seems the best way to me, too. So - is there any logical reason, which prevents the process of the compilation of a complete distribution/rootfs/boot-mechanism for a platform A on a hostsystem of the platform B if the cross compilation toolchain is already installed on B and no emulated environment is wanted? So you want to install the packages into a virtual filesystem image on the compiler machine to create a whole disk image for the target, basically? Hmmm. Maybe something like Scratchbox can help with this. Hi Paul, ...yes, exactly. But theproblem remains...is there a logical reason, which renders this attempt useless ? Crosscompilation is the preffered way, but there can be a lot of problems with it . The cross-toolchain isn't a problem, gennto has a nice tool called crossdev that will generate it for you and with a bit of env. variables and make.conf tweaks, you can easily do cross-compile emerges into a specific sysroot (gentoo has nice documentation at [1]) The problem is usually with build systems that don't take croos-compilation into account: things like getting paths wrong (including the path to the root of your croscompiled stuff or using paths in your host system, (older libtool used to generate .la files with paths in your host system)), using information from your life system instead of the target system, not correctly handling cases where, as part of the installation, tools are compiled that are then directly executed. Most build systems have ways to correctly express these things, but authors often get them wrong etc... Then there are cases where some post-installation steps are required to be run in the target system (remeber those Updating desktop mime database or Updating shared mime info database messages after most desktop apps ?) that usually require executing the installed programs, which means that either a host version has to be compiled (which can correctly work with stuff in the targe root directory) or they have to be somehow started on the first boot of the target system. Because of this, doing it in an emulated enviroment or on the actual device makes most of these problems go away. So if somebody doesn't have time to sort out these cross compilation problems but doesn't mind if the installation runs few times longer (but without problems), its better for them... I last did a cross compiled install of gentoo about two years ago, mostly it was without any problems, though there were some problematic packages (IIRC python used to be a problematic one, not sure how it is now). Recently I have done a few emulated root installs and they went absolutely without any problems (at least as far the 'compile packages and get a rootfs) step is concerned... getting things to run correctly on an embedded device without any display etc has its own challenges ;) yoyo [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/cross-development.xml
[gentoo-user] crosscompiling...the point of view
Hi, I am asking, because I found not only one description of somehow complicated setups to compile a distribution (namely gentoo) for a platform A (Beaglebone TI OMAP4) on that platform with distcc to speedup things or with emulated chroot environments based on qemu... I thought it would be the easiest to compile the whole stuff on a host system B with a crosscompilation toolchain...but may be I have overlooked something important... So - is there any logical reason, which prevents the process of the compilation of a complete distribution/rootfs/boot-mechanism for a platform A on a hostsystem of the platform B if the cross compilation toolchain is already installed on B and no emulated environment is wanted? Thank you very much in advance for any help! Best regards, mcc
Re: [gentoo-user] crosscompiling...the point of view
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:01 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, I am asking, because I found not only one description of somehow complicated setups to compile a distribution (namely gentoo) for a platform A (Beaglebone TI OMAP4) on that platform with distcc to speedup things or with emulated chroot environments based on qemu... I thought it would be the easiest to compile the whole stuff on a host system B with a crosscompilation toolchain...but may be I have overlooked something important... Seems the best way to me, too. So - is there any logical reason, which prevents the process of the compilation of a complete distribution/rootfs/boot-mechanism for a platform A on a hostsystem of the platform B if the cross compilation toolchain is already installed on B and no emulated environment is wanted? So you want to install the packages into a virtual filesystem image on the compiler machine to create a whole disk image for the target, basically? Hmmm. Maybe something like Scratchbox can help with this.
Re: [gentoo-user] crosscompiling...the point of view
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com [12-08-06 17:36]: On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:01 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, I am asking, because I found not only one description of somehow complicated setups to compile a distribution (namely gentoo) for a platform A (Beaglebone TI OMAP4) on that platform with distcc to speedup things or with emulated chroot environments based on qemu... I thought it would be the easiest to compile the whole stuff on a host system B with a crosscompilation toolchain...but may be I have overlooked something important... Seems the best way to me, too. So - is there any logical reason, which prevents the process of the compilation of a complete distribution/rootfs/boot-mechanism for a platform A on a hostsystem of the platform B if the cross compilation toolchain is already installed on B and no emulated environment is wanted? So you want to install the packages into a virtual filesystem image on the compiler machine to create a whole disk image for the target, basically? Hmmm. Maybe something like Scratchbox can help with this. Hi Paul, ...yes, exactly. But theproblem remains...is there a logical reason, which renders this attempt useless ? Best regards, mcc
Re: [gentoo-user] crosscompiling...the point of view
On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 15:01:40 +0200 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: So - is there any logical reason, which prevents the process of the compilation of a complete distribution/rootfs/boot-mechanism for a platform A on a hostsystem of the platform B if the cross compilation toolchain is already installed on B and no emulated environment is wanted? I know that it is possible, though I have not done it myself yet. And unfortunately, the examples I know of were built with openembedded (prime example for beagleboard: Angstrom) and I do not the slightest idea how that would work on Gentoo. But I would love to know. :)
