On 28.07.2013 10:22, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
William Hubbs closed bug #409385[1] as fixed, introducing
virtual/service-manager and adding it to the @system set, and dropping
OpenRC from baselayout's post dependencies.
Therefore, as of today, anyone can have a Gentoo machine with only
On 01/08/2013 00:25, Stroller wrote:
On 31 July 2013, at 22:43, Alan McKinnon wrote:
...
Are we OK on this for now, or is there more to discuss?
Yes, that's great. I'm glad we can be open and honest when we've got these
kinds of problems.
On other occasions I've worried that you
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 02:00:23AM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:24 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote:
You need an OpenRC use flag to install OpenRC init scripts? That's
simply a lie.
An apology to Daniel might be in order. I start my USE flag with
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 06:11:02PM +0530, Yohan Pereira wrote
On 31/07/13 at 08:30am, Tanstaafl wrote:
So, how should this be used to 'opt out of systemd completely'?
from main make.conf
Use this variable if you want to selectively prevent certain
files from being copied into your
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 06:24:17 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
You can use it to prevent ebuilds from installing unit files
or open-rc scripts from doing so (based on what you want to opt-out
of).
From the man page...
INSTALL_MASK = [space delimited list of file names]
I do not want
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 4:43 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 02:00:23AM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:24 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote:
You need an OpenRC use flag to install OpenRC init scripts? That's
simply a
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 4:43 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 02:00:23AM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:24 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote:
You need an OpenRC use flag
On 07/30/2013 05:40 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
There is going to be resistance. Two months ago there was a huge
thread in gentoo-dev, because a package maintaner complained that his
co-maintainer added a systemd unit to the package:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/85792
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:24 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote:
On 07/30/2013 05:40 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
There is going to be resistance. Two months ago there was a huge
thread in gentoo-dev, because a package maintaner complained that his
co-maintainer added a systemd unit
Top-posting because my question is about something in the linked threads...
In one comment was said the following:
Can I ask the systemd people to design a working solution for opting out? I
can't support this initiative without such a solution and I would be happy
to work with the systemd
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 07:34:22 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
Where is this 'INSTALL_MASK' option for opting out of systemd
completely documented?
man make.conf
--
Neil Bothwick
If at first you don't succeed, redefine success.
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On 2013-07-31 8:22 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 07:34:22 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
Where is this 'INSTALL_MASK' option for opting out of systemd
completely documented?
man make.conf
Thanks but... I didn't see one word mention of systemd.
So, how should
On 31/07/13 at 08:30am, Tanstaafl wrote:
So, how should this be used to 'opt out of systemd completely'?
from main make.conf
Use this variable if you want to selectively prevent certain
files from being copied into your file system tree. ..
You can use it to prevent ebuilds from
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 2013-07-31 8:22 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 07:34:22 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
Where is this 'INSTALL_MASK' option for opting out of systemd
completely documented?
man
On 2013-07-31 8:41 AM, Yohan Pereira yohan.pere...@gmail.com wrote:
On 31/07/13 at 08:30am, Tanstaafl wrote:
So, how should this be used to 'opt out of systemd completely'?
from main make.conf
Use this variable if you want to selectively prevent certain
files from being copied into
On 2013-07-31 11:20 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
If you don't use the systemd USE flag (and never install anything that
depends on systemd), you will not get systemd installed, but many
packages will install systemd unit files in /urs/lib/systemd/system.
This unit files are
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 2013-07-31 11:20 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
If you don't use the systemd USE flag (and never install anything that
depends on systemd), you will not get systemd installed, but many
packages
On 31/07/13 at 11:26am, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-07-31 11:20 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
If you don't use the systemd USE flag (and never install anything that
depends on systemd), you will not get systemd installed, but many
packages will install systemd unit files in
On 07/31/2013 11:20 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
For the record, I now think it's a waste of time trying to stop the
installation of tiny files that basically do nothing, either in
/usr/lib/systemd/system or in /etc/init.d, but you have the option if
you so desire.
The nice thing about
On 2013-07-31 11:45 AM, Yohan Pereira yohan.pere...@gmail.com wrote:
The one true way is to set -systemd in your useflags. However anything
that hard depends on systemd will pull it in like AFAIR gnome. Trying to
opt-out of systemd in these cases is not supported and probably not
trivial.
Ok,
On 31/07/2013 17:36, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
No, because the *exact same* situation occurs for Bash completion
scripts... and logrotate scripts... and cron jobs... and...
The devs decided (and I agree with them) that the important thing is
to cover the necessities of the majority of users
On 31 July 2013, at 18:23, Alan McKinnon wrote:
...
Whinging about systemd binaries being installed is valid, but whinging
about some data files is not. Anyone who does is letting their OCD show
in ways they really should be keeping private.
Hmmmn, it's a bit freaking weird - if I'm
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Stroller
strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote:
On 31 July 2013, at 18:23, Alan McKinnon wrote:
...
Whinging about systemd binaries being installed is valid, but whinging
about some data files is not. Anyone who does is letting their OCD show
in ways they
On 31/07/2013 19:56, Stroller wrote:
On 31 July 2013, at 18:23, Alan McKinnon wrote:
...
Whinging about systemd binaries being installed is valid, but whinging
about some data files is not. Anyone who does is letting their OCD show
in ways they really should be keeping private.
Hmmmn,
On 31/07/13 at 06:56pm, Stroller wrote:
Hmmmn, it's a bit freaking weird - if I'm understanding correctly some of the
statements made here about systemd - that there will be files installed to
/etc/init.d/ that don't actually do anything.
If your refering to what I think your refering to
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 01:09:03PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Hmmmn, it's a bit freaking weird - if I'm understanding correctly some of
the statements made here about systemd - that there will be files installed
to /etc/init.d/ that don't actually do anything.
If you use
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 31/07/2013 19:56, Stroller wrote:
On 31 July 2013, at 18:23, Alan McKinnon wrote:
...
Whinging about systemd binaries being installed is valid, but whinging
about some data files is not. Anyone who does is
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Bruce Hill
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 01:09:03PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Hmmmn, it's a bit freaking weird - if I'm understanding correctly some of
the statements made here about systemd - that there will be
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 31/07/2013 19:56, Stroller wrote:
On 31 July 2013, at 18:23, Alan McKinnon wrote:
...
Whinging about systemd binaries being
On 31 July 2013, at 19:09, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Stroller
strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote:
On 31 July 2013, at 18:23, Alan McKinnon wrote:
...
Whinging about systemd binaries being installed is valid, but whinging
about some data files is not.
On 31 July 2013, at 19:09, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 31/07/2013 19:56, Stroller wrote:
On 31 July 2013, at 18:23, Alan McKinnon wrote:
...
Whinging about systemd binaries being installed is valid, but whinging
about some data files is not. Anyone who does is letting their OCD show
in ways
On 31 July 2013, at 19:24, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
...
If you use systemd, all the files installed in /etc/init.d (except
functions.sh) don't actually do nothing.
In English don't actually do nothing means do something; i.e. don't
actually do anything != don't actually do nothing.
I
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Stroller
strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote:
On 31 July 2013, at 19:24, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
...
If you use systemd, all the files installed in /etc/init.d (except
functions.sh) don't actually do nothing.
In English don't actually do nothing means do
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Stroller
strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote:
On 31 July 2013, at 19:09, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Stroller
strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote:
On 31 July 2013, at 18:23, Alan McKinnon wrote:
...
Whinging about systemd
On 31 July 2013, at 20:03, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Stroller
strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote:
On 31 July 2013, at 19:24, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
...
If you use systemd, all the files installed in /etc/init.d (except
functions.sh) don't actually
On 31/07/2013 20:54, Stroller wrote:
On 31 July 2013, at 19:09, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Stroller
strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote:
On 31 July 2013, at 18:23, Alan McKinnon wrote:
...
Whinging about systemd binaries being installed is valid, but
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 19:54:54 +0100, Stroller wrote:
If you use systemd, all the files installed in /etc/init.d (except
functions.sh) don't actually do nothing.
Right, which is a bit freakin' odd, because on most every previous
distro and other *nix system, that's where the system
On 31 July 2013, at 20:09, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
… if you used systemd, and tried to run /etc/init.d/whatever start,
…
Nowadays you get the following warning:
* You are attempting to run an openrc service on a
* system which openrc did not boot.
*...
So it's pretty harmless.
On 31/07/2013 20:54, Stroller wrote:
On 31 July 2013, at 19:09, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 31/07/2013 19:56, Stroller wrote:
On 31 July 2013, at 18:23, Alan McKinnon wrote:
...
Whinging about systemd binaries being installed is valid, but whinging
about some data files is not. Anyone who
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 01:24:29PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Bruce Hill
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 01:09:03PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Hmmmn, it's a bit freaking weird - if I'm understanding correctly
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 01:22:21PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
acero ~ # du -sh /usr/share/man
82M /usr/share/man
acero ~ # du -sh /usr/lib/systemd/
3.6M /usr/lib/systemd/
And /usr/share/doc is 2.5G in my laptop.
That's due to USE=doc rather than USE=-doc
--
Happy Penguin
On 31 July 2013, at 20:38, Alan McKinnon wrote:
...
Heck! Even according to yourself, in the same email, I'm not understanding
it wrong!
I've asked you this before - would you stop wrongly telling people they're
wrong, please?
Would you please just stop and think could it be me who
On 31/07/2013 23:22, Stroller wrote:
On 31 July 2013, at 20:38, Alan McKinnon wrote:
...
Heck! Even according to yourself, in the same email, I'm not understanding
it wrong!
I've asked you this before - would you stop wrongly telling people they're
wrong, please?
Would you please
On 31 July 2013, at 22:43, Alan McKinnon wrote:
...
Are we OK on this for now, or is there more to discuss?
Yes, that's great. I'm glad we can be open and honest when we've got these
kinds of problems.
On other occasions I've worried that you might have driven away someone who was
seeking
On 31 July 2013, at 20:28, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Right, which is a bit freakin' odd, because on most every previous distro
and other *nix system, that's where the system administrator goes to start
and stop services.
If they're not used, in this case, I don't think they should be
On Sunday 28 July 2013 03:22:02 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
William Hubbs closed bug #409385[1] as fixed, introducing
virtual/service-manager and adding it to the @system set, and dropping
OpenRC from baselayout's post dependencies.
Therefore, as of today, anyone can have a Gentoo machine
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Pavel Volkov negai...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday 28 July 2013 03:22:02 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Therefore, as of today, anyone can have a Gentoo machine with only
systemd, with no OpenRC installed.
Really? Bug 373219 is still open.
Sorry, I missed your
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Pavel Volkov negai...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday 28 July 2013 03:22:02 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
William Hubbs closed bug #409385[1] as fixed, introducing
virtual/service-manager and adding it to the @system set, and dropping
OpenRC from baselayout's post
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Pavel Volkov negai...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Pavel Volkov negai...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday 28 July 2013 03:22:02 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Therefore, as of today, anyone can have a Gentoo machine with only
systemd, with no
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Pavel Volkov negai...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Pavel Volkov negai...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday 28 July 2013 03:22:02 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Therefore, as of today, anyone can have
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:53 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Pavel Volkov negai...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Pavel Volkov negai...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday 28 July 2013 03:22:02
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:53 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Pavel Volkov negai...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Pavel Volkov
There is going to be resistance. Two months ago there was a huge
thread in gentoo-dev, because a package maintaner complained that his
co-maintainer added a systemd unit to the package:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/85792
In the end, the maintainer rage-quit:
William Hubbs closed bug #409385[1] as fixed, introducing
virtual/service-manager and adding it to the @system set, and dropping
OpenRC from baselayout's post dependencies.
Therefore, as of today, anyone can have a Gentoo machine with only
systemd, with no OpenRC installed. Since that was the
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