Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
Jorge Morais wrote: On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:36:41 +0500 Mike Kazantsev mike_kazant...@fraggod.net wrote: On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:13:38 -0300 Jorge Morais please.no.spam.h...@gmail.com wrote: If you had upgraded because of a needed feature, I assume you would have read about the release, and thus would know about Tuz. So you upgraded to a ~arch kernel without any need. Why? The question is probably not adressed to me, but... It's still a way to check out these new features hands-on :) It's a kernel. And while it's ~arch on gentoo, it's actually marked 'stable' by developers, and, since gentoo ebuild does pretty much nothing but unpacking it, it should be pretty much as stable as any non-~arch package. Even if it already released, it has a higher chance of bugs than a more established kernel. Waiting for the package to become stable on Gentoo is not just about ebuild bugs; it is also about waiting for enough users in general to test the upstream package, and Gentoo users in particular to test the package within Gentoo. And I don't know about the usual quality of brand new Linux releases, but in general, I believe upstream developers want to release early (to get testers and updated contributions), while a distribution may wait until the software is ready and tested. Cheers, Jorge I personally do it to get all of the code updates. all of my boxes are on ~arch for gentoo-sources / hardened-sources and I haven't had 1 problem yet. Also, the kernel is the last place that you want to drag your feet for updates. If there's a bug in the kernel I want to have it fixed asap. Granted you can also argue that I'm injecting buggy code. It's two sides of the same coin. -- Eric Martin Key fingerprint = D1C4 086E DBB5 C18E 6FDA B215 6A25 7174 A941 3B9F signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:48:22 -0400 Eric Martin freak4u...@gmail.com wrote: Also, the kernel is the last place that you want to drag your feet for updates. If there's a bug in the kernel I want to have it fixed asap. Granted you can also argue that I'm injecting buggy code. It's two sides of the same coin. Come on, that is what bugfix releases are for. Gentoo-sources is patched for bugs. I prefer to use vanilla-sources, so I rely on upstream's bugfix releases. Currently I use 2.6.27.21. I will stop using 2.6.27.x when a later version becomes gentoo-stable, and either 1) upstream stops bugfixing 2.6.27 2) 2.6.27 lacks a feature I want 3) 2.6.27 becomes so old that I fear it might be incompatible with the rest of Gentoo. Probably 1 or 2 will happen much earlier than 3. PS: I of course know that sys-kernel/vanilla-sources-2.6.27.21 is currently ~x86, but my rationale is that 2.6.27 is Gentoo-stable, and I want the latest bugfix release from the stable release family I am using. I don't know why, in the case of the 2.6.27.x version, the Gentoo kernel team is taking so long to stabilize the latest bugfix release. PS2: If something I said sounds strange, remember English is my second language. -- Software is like sex: it is better when it is free. --Linus Torvalds
Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
Jorge Morais wrote: On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:48:22 -0400 Eric Martin freak4u...@gmail.com wrote: Also, the kernel is the last place that you want to drag your feet for updates. If there's a bug in the kernel I want to have it fixed asap. Granted you can also argue that I'm injecting buggy code. It's two sides of the same coin. Come on, that is what bugfix releases are for. Gentoo-sources is patched for bugs. I prefer to use vanilla-sources, so I rely on upstream's bugfix releases. Currently I use 2.6.27.21. I will stop using 2.6.27.x when a later version becomes gentoo-stable, and either 1) upstream stops bugfixing 2.6.27 2) 2.6.27 lacks a feature I want 3) 2.6.27 becomes so old that I fear it might be incompatible with the rest of Gentoo. Probably 1 or 2 will happen much earlier than 3. PS: I of course know that sys-kernel/vanilla-sources-2.6.27.21 is currently ~x86, but my rationale is that 2.6.27 is Gentoo-stable, and I want the latest bugfix release from the stable release family I am using. I don't know why, in the case of the 2.6.27.x version, the Gentoo kernel team is taking so long to stabilize the latest bugfix release. PS2: If something I said sounds strange, remember English is my second language. Like I said, you're waiting for x months (I think it's 3) for the gentoo teams to mark it from ~arch - arch. That's 3 months that you don't have bug fixes in. N matter what though, the most important thing to remember is to do what you're comfortable with. While I think that Gentoo is the greatest distro of the greatest OS, me suggesting it to somebody who can't learn how to use it is foolish, people need to be comfortable and happy with the solution. -- Eric Martin Key fingerprint = D1C4 086E DBB5 C18E 6FDA B215 6A25 7174 A941 3B9F signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
on 03/26/2009 02:22 AM Jerry McBride wrote the following: On Wednesday 25 March 2009 05:51:30 pm Thanasis wrote: on 03/25/2009 11:04 PM Alan McKinnon wrote the following: On Wednesday 25 March 2009 22:50:46 Thanasis wrote: Has anyone seen the boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources? usr/src/linux/drivers/video/logo/logo_linux_vga16.ppm Why did they substitute the penguin with this ugly disguised mouse? It's not a mouse, it's a Tasmanian Devil which isn't a rodent but the worlds only surviving predatory marsupial. The animal population is under threat from the only cancer known to science to be transmitted via biting. It affects the devils around the mouth and jaw (where they routinely bite each other) and is fatal in every known case within 3 to 9 months. The most recent Linux Dev Conference was in Australia and included a drive to raise awareness and funds to help protect this endangered animal. Our devil has a name - Tuz. OK. :-) But I must say, I was a bit shocked, when I first saw it,...I thought...hey, has my system been compromised ? :-) I feel sorry for the animal... but I have to have my penguin back... I changed it myself... Yea...same thought cross my mind, but I think I might give Tux some vacation he may need ... :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
Thanasis wrote: Has anyone seen the boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources? usr/src/linux/drivers/video/logo/logo_linux_vga16.ppm Why did they substitute the penguin with this ugly disguised mouse? Here's my link on the subject: http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2009/03/new-logo.html --Joshua Doll
Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:50:46 +0200 Thanasis thana...@asyr.hopto.org wrote: Has anyone seen the boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources? usr/src/linux/drivers/video/logo/logo_linux_vga16.ppm Why did they substitute the penguin with this ugly disguised mouse? If you had upgraded because of a needed feature, I assume you would have read about the release, and thus would know about Tuz. So you upgraded to a ~arch kernel without any need. Why? -- Software is like sex: it is better when it is free. --Linus Torvalds
Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:13:38 -0300, Jorge Morais wrote: If you had upgraded because of a needed feature, I assume you would have read about the release, and thus would know about Tuz. So you upgraded to a ~arch kernel without any need. Why? Because if no one runs the testing packages, they don't get tested. -- Neil Bothwick The opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. * Bohr signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:13:38 -0300 Jorge Morais please.no.spam.h...@gmail.com wrote: If you had upgraded because of a needed feature, I assume you would have read about the release, and thus would know about Tuz. So you upgraded to a ~arch kernel without any need. Why? The question is probably not adressed to me, but... It's still a way to check out these new features hands-on :) And while it's ~arch on gentoo, it's actually marked 'stable' by developers, and, since gentoo ebuild does pretty much nothing but unpacking it, it should be pretty much as stable as any non-~arch package. -- Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:36:41 +0500 Mike Kazantsev mike_kazant...@fraggod.net wrote: On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:13:38 -0300 Jorge Morais please.no.spam.h...@gmail.com wrote: If you had upgraded because of a needed feature, I assume you would have read about the release, and thus would know about Tuz. So you upgraded to a ~arch kernel without any need. Why? The question is probably not adressed to me, but... It's still a way to check out these new features hands-on :) It's a kernel. And while it's ~arch on gentoo, it's actually marked 'stable' by developers, and, since gentoo ebuild does pretty much nothing but unpacking it, it should be pretty much as stable as any non-~arch package. Even if it already released, it has a higher chance of bugs than a more established kernel. Waiting for the package to become stable on Gentoo is not just about ebuild bugs; it is also about waiting for enough users in general to test the upstream package, and Gentoo users in particular to test the package within Gentoo. And I don't know about the usual quality of brand new Linux releases, but in general, I believe upstream developers want to release early (to get testers and updated contributions), while a distribution may wait until the software is ready and tested. Of course, if you want to actively help, that is a reason to test the latest software... but I am afraid that a kernel bug could lead to unpredictable behavior, data loss and other problems I can't tolerate. Also, I think a kernel has a higher chance of hidden bugs (bugs that don't stand in your face). I think that if you want to contribute as a tester it is easier to test a beta version of mplayer or Firefox (backup your bookmarks!), for example, where bugs are more visible and likely less harmful. Cheers, Jorge -- Software is like sex: it is better when it is free. --Linus Torvalds
Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:59:02 -0300 Jorge Morais please.no.spam.h...@gmail.com wrote: It's still a way to check out these new features hands-on :) It's a kernel. Exactly. That's definitely one of the thing you have to know about, especially if this one's got some unpredictable stuff in it. Even if it already released, it has a higher chance of bugs than a more established kernel. Agreed, but from my experience, it's more like 'features' with kernel - some stuff just change, and most of this isn't quite obvious from release info, even with such commit-by-commit teardown like kernelnewbies. http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_29 Waiting for the package to become stable on Gentoo is not just about ebuild bugs; it is also about waiting for enough users in general to test the upstream package, and Gentoo users in particular to test the package within Gentoo. There's a race condition and quite unpredictable dependency :) Of course, if you want to actively help, that is a reason to test the latest software... but I am afraid that a kernel bug could lead to unpredictable behavior, data loss and other problems I can't tolerate. Also, I think a kernel has a higher chance of hidden bugs (bugs that don't stand in your face). But that's fine with desktop systems, especially if you have full net backup as a daily cronjob (which is a great idea, btw). I tend to use each new kernel for at least a few weeks, before deploying it anywhere, and no bugreports or security advisory papers are substitute for that. But this isn't really a discussion, since I certainly don't speak for production systems and you probably mean just a general deployment everywhere, so everyone's right in their own way. Besides, stability vs innovation is too much a matter of personal preference to discuss it w/o starting an endless holywar. -- Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
Has anyone seen the boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources? usr/src/linux/drivers/video/logo/logo_linux_vga16.ppm Why did they substitute the penguin with this ugly disguised mouse?
Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
Thanasis schrieb: Has anyone seen the boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources? usr/src/linux/drivers/video/logo/logo_linux_vga16.ppm Why did they substitute the penguin with this ugly disguised mouse? Hi, Tux is on vacation for 2.6.29 He will be back in some month. Tuz is a animal which might not be very long on earth any more. To get everybody know about his problem, he is in the kernel, know. kh
Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
Thanasis schrieb am 25.03.2009 21:50: Has anyone seen the boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources? usr/src/linux/drivers/video/logo/logo_linux_vga16.ppm Why did they substitute the penguin with this ugly disguised mouse? http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/tux-takes-tasmanian-vacation Regards, Daniel signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
On Wednesday 25 March 2009 22:50:46 Thanasis wrote: Has anyone seen the boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources? usr/src/linux/drivers/video/logo/logo_linux_vga16.ppm Why did they substitute the penguin with this ugly disguised mouse? It's not a mouse, it's a Tasmanian Devil which isn't a rodent but the worlds only surviving predatory marsupial. The animal population is under threat from the only cancer known to science to be transmitted via biting. It affects the devils around the mouth and jaw (where they routinely bite each other) and is fatal in every known case within 3 to 9 months. The most recent Linux Dev Conference was in Australia and included a drive to raise awareness and funds to help protect this endangered animal. Our devil has a name - Tuz. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
on 03/25/2009 11:04 PM Alan McKinnon wrote the following: On Wednesday 25 March 2009 22:50:46 Thanasis wrote: Has anyone seen the boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources? usr/src/linux/drivers/video/logo/logo_linux_vga16.ppm Why did they substitute the penguin with this ugly disguised mouse? It's not a mouse, it's a Tasmanian Devil which isn't a rodent but the worlds only surviving predatory marsupial. The animal population is under threat from the only cancer known to science to be transmitted via biting. It affects the devils around the mouth and jaw (where they routinely bite each other) and is fatal in every known case within 3 to 9 months. The most recent Linux Dev Conference was in Australia and included a drive to raise awareness and funds to help protect this endangered animal. Our devil has a name - Tuz. OK. :-) But I must say, I was a bit shocked, when I first saw it,...I thought...hey, has my system been compromised ? :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
On Wednesday 25 March 2009 23:51:30 Thanasis wrote: on 03/25/2009 11:04 PM Alan McKinnon wrote the following: On Wednesday 25 March 2009 22:50:46 Thanasis wrote: Has anyone seen the boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources? usr/src/linux/drivers/video/logo/logo_linux_vga16.ppm Why did they substitute the penguin with this ugly disguised mouse? It's not a mouse, it's a Tasmanian Devil which isn't a rodent but the worlds only surviving predatory marsupial. The animal population is under threat from the only cancer known to science to be transmitted via biting. It affects the devils around the mouth and jaw (where they routinely bite each other) and is fatal in every known case within 3 to 9 months. The most recent Linux Dev Conference was in Australia and included a drive to raise awareness and funds to help protect this endangered animal. Our devil has a name - Tuz. OK. :-) But I must say, I was a bit shocked, when I first saw it,...I thought...hey, has my system been compromised ? :-) If you were shocked when you saw the carton version, imagine how you will feel the first time you hear one of them scream in real life! They howl like a banshee - hence the name devil -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
On Wednesday 25 March 2009 05:51:30 pm Thanasis wrote: on 03/25/2009 11:04 PM Alan McKinnon wrote the following: On Wednesday 25 March 2009 22:50:46 Thanasis wrote: Has anyone seen the boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources? usr/src/linux/drivers/video/logo/logo_linux_vga16.ppm Why did they substitute the penguin with this ugly disguised mouse? It's not a mouse, it's a Tasmanian Devil which isn't a rodent but the worlds only surviving predatory marsupial. The animal population is under threat from the only cancer known to science to be transmitted via biting. It affects the devils around the mouth and jaw (where they routinely bite each other) and is fatal in every known case within 3 to 9 months. The most recent Linux Dev Conference was in Australia and included a drive to raise awareness and funds to help protect this endangered animal. Our devil has a name - Tuz. OK. :-) But I must say, I was a bit shocked, when I first saw it,...I thought...hey, has my system been compromised ? :-) I feel sorry for the animal... but I have to have my penguin back... I changed it myself... -- * From the desk of: Jerome D. McBride 20:21:44 up 99 days, 1:31, 5 users, load average: 1.16, 1.03, 1.01 *
