Re: [gentoo-user] new mobo : Eth0 recovered
On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 05:41:19 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] new mobo : Eth0 recovered: On Tuesday 24 April 2012 01:21:33 David W Noon wrote: On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:59:01 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote Plain text is what I have always specified. Kmail seems to want to override my preferences. Try under the Security option of KMail Settings. That's the only reference I can find to HTML, and it is not selected nor ever has been. I'll see if I can reproduce the problem here. It's just that I find KDE 4.8 to be extremely flakey and KMail even flakier, so I'll need to do some cleaning up of my configuration just to get KMail to run. -- Regards, Dave [RLU #314465] == dwn...@ntlworld.com (David W Noon) == signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] new mobo : Eth0 recovered
On 24 April 2012, at 08:36, Peter Humphrey wrote: ... Would someone please confirm whether this has had the desired effect? Many thanks. Thank you. Very much appreciated. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] new mobo : Eth0 recovered
On Tuesday 24 April 2012 17:24:48 Stroller wrote: On 24 April 2012, at 08:36, Peter Humphrey wrote: ... Would someone please confirm whether this has had the desired effect? Many thanks. Thank you. Very much appreciated. I can only apologise to all that it took me so long to find the cause. I have a bit of an excuse (not much of one): I couldn't see any problem so it was hard to debug. -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] new mobo : Eth0 recovered
On 23 April 2012, at 19:53, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: … We all noticed that you are using KMail once more, because you are sending HTML messages with a huge font and bold typeface to the list. Any chance of you reconfiguring KMail not to send HTML messages? Please ... pretty please ... :-) A mail-client worth its salt should be able to work around that ;-) Thunderbird, the superior mail client (-- flame bait) has an option that says Display HTML messages as plain text, so I never notice when someone posts HTML messages here (or anywhere else.) My client - which is probably not so superior - has this option, but it can only be applied globally, not to individual folders or senders. Some senders - surely those with expensive design teams dedicated to the task - ensure that their HTML messages add something useful over the plain text version. Amazon's HTML emails show images of the product and I have no problem with the text size they use. The HTML notification emails from eBay are *fantastic*, showing images of actual items newly listed (in the last 24 hours) by vendors that happen to meet my search criteria - this is a *very* useful way of navigating potential bargains (and avoiding misleading adverts). There must be 10,000 items per day listed on eBay, maybe 100,000, and I am notified of the dozen or so that I may be interested in - with pictures right next to the description. So I have to either tolerate Peter's choice of font size, or I have to sacrifice being able to read these other messages in their optimum format. Now I appreciate that my choice of email client is not anyone else's fault, but plain-text is the standard of mailing lists, and I think it's a reasonable expectation that people conform to it (once their client's faux-pas has been pointed out). Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] new mobo : Eth0 recovered
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: There must be 10,000 items per day listed on eBay, maybe 100,000 [OT] I believe it to be over a million per day. The site has sold something like 750,000 items per day since its beginning on average, and many more items are listed than sold.
Re: [gentoo-user] new mobo : Eth0 recovered
On Monday 23 April 2012 20:41:27 Stroller wrote: So I have to either tolerate Peter's choice of font size, or I have to sacrifice being able to read these other messages in their optimum format. As I said in another e-mail, I have not made any such choice. Ever. Now I appreciate that my choice of email client is not anyone else's fault, but plain-text is the standard of mailing lists, and I think it's a reasonable expectation that people conform to it (once their client's faux-pas has been pointed out). Plain text is what I have always specified. Kmail seems to want to override my preferences. -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] new mobo : Eth0 recovered
On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:59:01 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] new mobo : Eth0 recovered: Plain text is what I have always specified. Kmail seems to want to override my preferences. Try under the Security option of KMail Settings. -- Regards, Dave [RLU #314465] *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* dwn...@ntlworld.com (David W Noon) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] new mobo : Eth0 recovered
On Tuesday 24 April 2012 01:21:33 David W Noon wrote: On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:59:01 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote Plain text is what I have always specified. Kmail seems to want to override my preferences. Try under the Security option of KMail Settings. That's the only reference I can find to HTML, and it is not selected nor ever has been. -- Rgds Peter
[gentoo-user] new mobo : Eth0 recovered
Thanks again for the help : I'm now back in my 2007 machine able to send e-mails. You actually have to remove the offensive file from the dir, not simply rename it to 'xx70xx...' ! Between Intel Udev, I'm feeling somewhat abused today, but Gentoo User mailing-list came thro' yet again : I hope I sometimes manage to help others with similar problems. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] new mobo : Eth0 recovered
Philip Webb wrote: Thanks again for the help : I'm now back in my 2007 machine able to send e-mails. You actually have to remove the offensive file from the dir, not simply rename it to 'xx70xx...' ! Between Intel Udev, I'm feeling somewhat abused today, but Gentoo User mailing-list came thro' yet again : I hope I sometimes manage to help others with similar problems. That's the same way files in /etc/portage/ works too. I do wish we could put a # on the front to make it ignore files. We can dream I guess. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] new mobo : Eth0 recovered
120421 Dale wrote: Philip Webb wrote: You actually have to remove the offensive file from the dir, not simply rename it to 'xx70xx...' ! That's the same way files in /etc/portage/ works too. I do wish we could put a # on the front to make it ignore files. We can dream I guess. Yes why did it start doing this only with the new mobo -- was it provoked by seeing an unknown driver ? And whyever did it want to rename the device to 'eth1' ?? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] new mobo : Eth0 recovered
Philip Webb wrote: 120421 Dale wrote: Philip Webb wrote: You actually have to remove the offensive file from the dir, not simply rename it to 'xx70xx...' ! That's the same way files in /etc/portage/ works too. I do wish we could put a # on the front to make it ignore files. We can dream I guess. Yes why did it start doing this only with the new mobo -- was it provoked by seeing an unknown driver ? And whyever did it want to rename the device to 'eth1' ?? I would imagine udev saw something different and renamed it. It's not the first time something like this has happened. I doubt it will be the last either. Udev is hard to predict for sure. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] new mobo : Eth0 recovered
On 21 April 2012, at 15:25, Philip Webb wrote: 120421 Dale wrote: Philip Webb wrote: You actually have to remove the offensive file from the dir, not simply rename it to 'xx70xx...' ! That's the same way files in /etc/portage/ works too. I do wish we could put a # on the front to make it ignore files. We can dream I guess. Yes why did it start doing this only with the new mobo -- was it provoked by seeing an unknown driver ? And whyever did it want to rename the device to 'eth1' ?? Because it knows the NIC with the MAC address of 11:22:33:aa:bb:cc always has to be eth0. It found a new NIC, and eth0 wasn't available for the new NIC. So the new NIC was granted the first available etcX allocation. This is a real pain if you insist on thinking about it in terms of I always expect there to be an eth0 or the first card should always be eth0. But if you were to slap a second NIC into the system and - hey! - suddenly the original network card didn't work any more because they've been allocated the wrong way around, then this would make perfect sense to you. I mean, you could find yourself sorting that problem out, then the next time you reboot the two interfaces swap identities again (either randomly or for some obscure reasons that I can imagine) - that's really problematic if the two are now physically connected to different networks the wrong way around and you're firewalled out from them. This applies especially if you're hundreds of miles away from the machine which, from experience, happens far more often than one might wish or imagine (although I guess, to be fair, it only takes 1 or 2 or 3 occasions per decade for this to be far too bleedin' often). It is really freakin' useful to know that an interface number is *always* going to match up with the server's physical socket marked net1. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] new mobo : Eth0 recovered
On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 09:06:08 -0500, Dale wrote: Thanks again for the help : I'm now back in my 2007 machine able to send e-mails. You actually have to remove the offensive file from the dir, not simply rename it to 'xx70xx...' ! The problem here is that the file is created automatically, so renaming the old one to not end in .rules new cause it to be ignored, but a one will be created. That's the same way files in /etc/portage/ works too. I do wish we could put a # on the front to make it ignore files. The correct way to disable it is to set persistent_net_disable=no in /etc/conf.d/udev -- Neil Bothwick I have seen the truth, and it makes no sense. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] new mobo : Eth0 recovered
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 09:06:08 -0500, Dale wrote: Thanks again for the help : I'm now back in my 2007 machine able to send e-mails. You actually have to remove the offensive file from the dir, not simply rename it to 'xx70xx...' ! The problem here is that the file is created automatically, so renaming the old one to not end in .rules new cause it to be ignored, but a one will be created. That's the same way files in /etc/portage/ works too. I do wish we could put a # on the front to make it ignore files. The correct way to disable it is to set persistent_net_disable=no in /etc/conf.d/udev I was referring to the files in /etc/portage with that. Although, I didn't know you could get it to ignore the ones for udev either, other than deleting/removing them of course. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
