Re: [gentoo-user] problems in world file?
On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 21:21:25 -0500, Ernie Schroder wrote: The build has finished and the error was still there. I ran emaint --check world and found that there were several apps with no ebuilds in portage. They were all unused apps that I had played with at one time or another and I simply deleted them from the world file. All seems well now. Thanks for the discussion. Did you unmerge them too. If not, you have several orphaned packages on your system, which emerge -p depclean will show. -- Neil Bothwick WinErr 012: Window closed - Do not look inside signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] problems in world file?
Calculating world dependencies !!! Problems have been detected with your world file !!! Please run emaint --check world I checked for updates to world while I was updating KDE to 3.5 and got the above message. Should I worry yet? -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free 13:34:57 up 1 day, 4:17, 6 users, load average: 2.21, 2.12, 2.06 Linux 2.6.5-gentoo-r1 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] problems in world file?
Ernie Schroder schreef: Calculating world dependencies !!! Problems have been detected with your world file !!! Please run emaint --check world I checked for updates to world while I was updating KDE to 3.5 and got the above message. Should I worry yet? Let's see... you expect one instance of Portage to give reliable output while another instance of Portage is updating the relevant data that the instance you're looking at is trying to read ... no, I wouldn't worry just yet. I would worry if you got the same message after the emerge was complete, though. But I doubt you will. HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] problems in world file?
On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 13:36:47 -0500, Ernie Schroder wrote: !!! Problems have been detected with your world file !!! Please run emaint --check world I checked for updates to world while I was updating KDE to 3.5 and got the above message. Should I worry yet? No, you should follow the instructions in the message. Run what it tells you to run and you'll see what is wrong. When portage says something along the lines of please run... it makes sense to run it. -- Neil Bothwick Mouse: (n.) an input device used by management to force computer users to keep at least a part of their desks clean. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] problems in world file?
On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 01:36:47PM -0500, Ernie Schroder wrote: Calculating world dependencies !!! Problems have been detected with your world file !!! Please run emaint --check world I checked for updates to world while I was updating KDE to 3.5 and got the above message. Should I worry yet? Well... run emaint --check world? It should tell you what's wrong. The last time it happened to me was when a security hole in scorched3d was found resulting in all ebuilds for it to be hardmasked. I had scorched3d in my world file but there are no ebuilds ... W -- A young woman was jogging when she saw a wizened old man, smiling at her from his porch. You look so happy! she said to him. What's your secret for a long satisfying life? Well, I smoke three packs of cigarettes every day and I drink a case of wisky every week. on top of that I never excersice, and I eat lots of fatty foods. That's amazing, the woman said. And how old are you? He answered, thirty two. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 24 days, 11:29 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] problems in world file?
On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 07:56:22PM +0100, Holly Bostick wrote: Ernie Schroder schreef: Calculating world dependencies !!! Problems have been detected with your world file !!! Please run emaint --check world I checked for updates to world while I was updating KDE to 3.5 and got the above message. Should I worry yet? Let's see... you expect one instance of Portage to give reliable output while another instance of Portage is updating the relevant data that the instance you're looking at is trying to read Oh! That's what the OP meant... geez, my English parsing skill is a disgrace to my education. ;-p But that's gotta be some very unlucky timing issue to have the read and write of the world file collide, eh? W -- Theoretically, there's no difference between theory and practice; but in practice there is. ~Jared Kaplan Sortir en Pantoufles: up 24 days, 11:34 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] problems in world file?
Willie Wong schreef: On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 07:56:22PM +0100, Holly Bostick wrote: Ernie Schroder schreef: Calculating world dependencies !!! Problems have been detected with your world file !!! Please run emaint --check world I checked for updates to world while I was updating KDE to 3.5 and got the above message. Should I worry yet? Let's see... you expect one instance of Portage to give reliable output while another instance of Portage is updating the relevant data that the instance you're looking at is trying to read Oh! That's what the OP meant... geez, my English parsing skill is a disgrace to my education. ;-p But that's gotta be some very unlucky timing issue to have the read and write of the world file collide, eh? Oh, I dunno-- what actually happens to the world file (in terms of ownership/process ownership and locking) at the time that an emerge that affects the world file is being performed? There are reasons that major Portage processes are not supposed to be carried out concurrently. It's true that while I'm upgrading KDE, I probably could emerge... oh, mutt... at the same time in another instance, but checking the entire Portage tree (as in emerge -ua** world) is just not recommended, since Portage can't really be expected to know which updates are really valid (because it's currently performing some of them in another instance, with which it can't communicate). I mean, you could all be quite right, and I wrong, but Istr I got this message when I did something similarly unwise, and after the emerge actually finished, there was nothing wrong anymore (because the left hand knew what the right hand had done). Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] problems in world file?
On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:33:58 +0100, Holly Bostick wrote: There are reasons that major Portage processes are not supposed to be carried out concurrently. It's true that while I'm upgrading KDE, I probably could emerge... oh, mutt... at the same time in another instance, but checking the entire Portage tree (as in emerge -ua** world) is just not recommended, since Portage can't really be expected to know which updates are really valid (because it's currently performing some of them in another instance, with which it can't communicate). The emerge -u invocation wasn't actually emerging anything, so it won't write to world. Emerging KDE only results in one write to world, at the end of the process. I expect there is another cause unless the OP was incredibly unlucky or impatient. I mean, you could all be quite right, and I wrong, but Istr I got this message when I did something similarly unwise, and after the emerge actually finished, there was nothing wrong anymore (because the left hand knew what the right hand had done). I've had this a few times, and each time it was because the ebuild for an installed package was no longer available. -- Neil Bothwick * * * - Tribbles - teenage mutant ninja tribbles signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] problems in world file?
Neil Bothwick schreef: On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:33:58 +0100, Holly Bostick wrote: There are reasons that major Portage processes are not supposed to be carried out concurrently. It's true that while I'm upgrading KDE, I probably could emerge... oh, mutt... at the same time in another instance, but checking the entire Portage tree (as in emerge -ua** world) is just not recommended, since Portage can't really be expected to know which updates are really valid (because it's currently performing some of them in another instance, with which it can't communicate). The emerge -u invocation wasn't actually emerging anything, so it won't write to world. Yes, got that, but it would be scanning the world file to determine what had updates available that had not been performed. If some of the updates were at the same moment being performed in another instance, that is not likely to confuse Portage as to whether an update to konqueror (for example) was available or not (if konqueror was at that moment being upgraded in the other console)? Emerging KDE only results in one write to world, at the end of the process. I suppose, if you're only emerging kde-meta (since all the sub-builds are dependencies that will not be added to your world file. If I'm upgrading the split ebuilds, though does that remain the case? I expect there is another cause unless the OP was incredibly unlucky or impatient. Well, it's less likely, but it does happen. I mean, you could all be quite right, and I wrong, but Istr I got this message when I did something similarly unwise, and after the emerge actually finished, there was nothing wrong anymore (because the left hand knew what the right hand had done). I've had this a few times, and each time it was because the ebuild for an installed package was no longer available. Also possible. Certainly there's nothing /wrong/ with running emaint --check world. I only wanted to point out that this error could also be a false positive. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] problems in world file?
On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 09:22:23PM +0100, Holly Bostick wrote: Also possible. Certainly there's nothing /wrong/ with running emaint --check world. I only wanted to point out that this error could also be a false positive. Simple question here, but what is emaint? No trace of it on my up-to-date system. Thanks, John pgpzmYvHzC1nB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] problems in world file?
On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:22:23 +0100, Holly Bostick wrote: The emerge -u invocation wasn't actually emerging anything, so it won't write to world. Yes, got that, but it would be scanning the world file to determine what had updates available that had not been performed. If some of the updates were at the same moment being performed in another instance, that is not likely to confuse Portage as to whether an update to konqueror (for example) was available or not (if konqueror was at that moment being upgraded in the other console)? I've often done emerge -u world in one console then done emerge -up world (sometimes piped to genlop -p) in another to see what's left to do. Emerging KDE only results in one write to world, at the end of the process. I suppose, if you're only emerging kde-meta (since all the sub-builds are dependencies that will not be added to your world file. If I'm upgrading the split ebuilds, though does that remain the case? No, there will be one write for each package on the command line, but not the libraries. If you upgrade it with emerge world, there will be no writes to world. Either way, it is a couple of seconds at most, out of several hours, when the file is actually being written. -- Neil Bothwick Why do kamikaze pilots wear helmets? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] problems in world file?
Simple question here, but what is emaint? No trace of it on my up-to-date system. It seems to be in portage-2.0.53 which is still masked. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] problems in world file?
On Tuesday 06 December 2005 02:10 pm, a tiny voice compelled Willie Wong to write: On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 01:36:47PM -0500, Ernie Schroder wrote: Calculating world dependencies !!! Problems have been detected with your world file !!! Please run emaint --check world I checked for updates to world while I was updating KDE to 3.5 and got the above message. Should I worry yet? Well... run emaint --check world? It should tell you what's wrong. The last time it happened to me was when a security hole in scorched3d was found resulting in all ebuilds for it to be hardmasked. I had scorched3d in my world file but there are no ebuilds ... W -- A young woman was jogging when she saw a wizened old man, smiling at her from his porch. You look so happy! she said to him. What's your secret for a long satisfying life? Well, I smoke three packs of cigarettes every day and I drink a case of wisky every week. on top of that I never excersice, and I eat lots of fatty foods. That's amazing, the woman said. And how old are you? He answered, thirty two. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 24 days, 11:29 So I checked again. (building pkg 43 of 55 now) I get the same message and will run emaint when all is done. If the message no longer appears I will post that info. -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free 17:19:41 up 1 day, 8:02, 6 users, load average: 1.60, 1.48, 1.69 Linux 2.6.5-gentoo-r1 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] problems in world file?
On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 08:33:58PM +0100, Holly Bostick wrote: Oh, I dunno-- what actually happens to the world file (in terms of ownership/process ownership and locking) at the time that an emerge that affects the world file is being performed? I took it to mean that the OP typed emerge --pretend --update world or some equivalent during the emerge. Now, Personally I do that every now and then, and have never ran into that problem before, hence the comment about unfortunate timing issues. There are reasons that major Portage processes are not supposed to be carried out concurrently. It's true that while I'm upgrading KDE, I probably could emerge... oh, mutt... at the same time in another instance, but checking the entire Portage tree (as in emerge -ua** world) is just not recommended, since Portage can't really be expected to know which updates are really valid (because it's currently performing some of them in another instance, with which it can't communicate). What I've seen in those cases is that the process will read the current world file, compare the available packages with the current cache, and decide what it would emerge. I.e. if I start a emerge -u world which wants to install mozilla-firefox, mutt, and openssh, and after firefox was installed, the cache updated, the old version removed, if I type emerge -up world I usually would see that it wants to emerge openssh and mutt, even though it is going on in another process. I mean, you could all be quite right, and I wrong, but Istr I got this message when I did something similarly unwise, and after the emerge actually finished, there was nothing wrong anymore (because the left hand knew what the right hand had done). Yes, in general I agree it could be a bad practice. But I find this case particularly interesting since the emerge process is only suppose to write (and hence, modify) to the world file if something not in it is specified to be installed on the commandline. In particular, just an emerge --update world should only read the world file, and not write to it. Until the OP posts more, we cannot tell what actually is wrong with the world file, but I doubt it has something to do with the ongoing emerge process. W -- Arthur yawed wildly as his skin tried to jump one way and his skeleton the other, whilst his brain tried to work out which of his ears it most wanted to crawl out of. `Bet you weren't expecting to see me again,' said the monster, which Arthur couldn't help thinking was a strange remark for it to make, seeing as he had never met the creature before. He could tell that he hadn't met the creature before from the simple fact that he was able to sleep at nights. - Arthur discovering who had diverted him from going to a party. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 24 days, 16:55 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] problems in world file?
On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 03:39:56PM -0500, John J. Foster wrote: Simple question here, but what is emaint? No trace of it on my up-to-date system. portage-2.0.53, I have it on my laptop running ~x86, but not on my desktop running x86. running it without arguments give: Currently emaint can only check and fix problems with one's world file. Future versions will integrate other portage check-and-fix tools and provide a single interface to system health checks. HTH, W -- Pintsize: It's hard to get a lady to evaluate to true. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 24 days, 17:05 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] problems in world file?
On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 07:46:07PM -0500, Willie Wong wrote: portage-2.0.53, I have it on my laptop running ~x86, but not on my desktop running x86. running it without arguments give: Currently emaint can only check and fix problems with one's world file. Future versions will integrate other portage check-and-fix tools and provide a single interface to system health checks. Willie, thanks for the post. I really look forward to the part about better integration among all the tools available. John pgpmFHvruGQN9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] problems in world file?
The build has finished and the error was still there. I ran emaint --check world and found that there were several apps with no ebuilds in portage. They were all unused apps that I had played with at one time or another and I simply deleted them from the world file. All seems well now. Thanks for the discussion. On Tuesday 06 December 2005 05:22 pm, a tiny voice compelled Ernie Schroder to write: On Tuesday 06 December 2005 02:10 pm, a tiny voice compelled Willie Wong to write: On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 01:36:47PM -0500, Ernie Schroder wrote: Calculating world dependencies !!! Problems have been detected with your world file !!! Please run emaint --check world I checked for updates to world while I was updating KDE to 3.5 and got the above message. Should I worry yet? Well... run emaint --check world? It should tell you what's wrong. The last time it happened to me was when a security hole in scorched3d was found resulting in all ebuilds for it to be hardmasked. I had scorched3d in my world file but there are no ebuilds ... W -- A young woman was jogging when she saw a wizened old man, smiling at her from his porch. You look so happy! she said to him. What's your secret for a long satisfying life? Well, I smoke three packs of cigarettes every day and I drink a case of wisky every week. on top of that I never excersice, and I eat lots of fatty foods. That's amazing, the woman said. And how old are you? He answered, thirty two. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 24 days, 11:29 So I checked again. (building pkg 43 of 55 now) I get the same message and will run emaint when all is done. If the message no longer appears I will post that info. -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free 17:19:41 up 1 day, 8:02, 6 users, load average: 1.60, 1.48, 1.69 Linux 2.6.5-gentoo-r1 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free 21:18:31 up 1 day, 12:01, 6 users, load average: 0.34, 0.29, 0.21 Linux 2.6.5-gentoo-r1 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
