Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-26 Thread gottlieb
On Tue, Jul 23 2013, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:31 AM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Tue, Jul 23 2013, Alan McKinnon wrote: I wouldn't stress about it too much, your choice is do you want to use Gnome3 or not? And then just use whatever Gnome3 gives as *that* part

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-23 Thread András Csányi
On 22 July 2013 21:57, Michael Hampicke m...@hadt.biz wrote: Am 22.07.2013 17:02, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: ConsoleKit is for all practical purposes unmaintained, and all of the packages you mentioned it support systemd just fine. Emerge systemd, and purge CK from your system; I did that

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-23 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 23/07/13 09:11, András Csányi wrote: On 22 July 2013 21:57, Michael Hampicke m...@hadt.biz wrote: Am 22.07.2013 17:02, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: ConsoleKit is for all practical purposes unmaintained, and all of the packages you mentioned it support systemd just fine. Emerge systemd, and

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-23 Thread covici
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 9:58 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: [ snip ] I have several things depending on consolekit: sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r2 pulled in by: gnome-base/gnome-control-center-3.8.3 requires

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 23/07/2013 11:31, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: So, this implies if I want to keep using gnome then systemd is required, or use another desktop. That is something to think about. Correct. I wouldn't stress about it too much, your choice is do you want to use Gnome3 or not? And then just use

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-23 Thread Michael Hampicke
Am 2013-07-23 08:11, schrieb András Csányi: On 22 July 2013 21:57, Michael Hampicke m...@hadt.biz wrote: Am 22.07.2013 17:02, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: ConsoleKit is for all practical purposes unmaintained, and all of the packages you mentioned it support systemd just fine. Emerge

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-23 Thread gottlieb
On Tue, Jul 23 2013, Alan McKinnon wrote: I wouldn't stress about it too much, your choice is do you want to use Gnome3 or not? And then just use whatever Gnome3 gives as *that* part you don't have a choice about. Very clearly stated. Thanks. Currently I have gnome-base/gnome-3.6.2 with

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-23 Thread Pavel Volkov
On Monday 22 July 2013 21:57:06 Michael Hampicke wrote: Am 22.07.2013 17:02, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: ConsoleKit is for all practical purposes unmaintained, and all of the packages you mentioned it support systemd just fine. Emerge systemd, and purge CK from your system; I did that

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-23 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:31 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 9:58 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: [ snip ] I have several things depending on consolekit: sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r2 pulled in by:

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-23 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:31 AM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Tue, Jul 23 2013, Alan McKinnon wrote: I wouldn't stress about it too much, your choice is do you want to use Gnome3 or not? And then just use whatever Gnome3 gives as *that* part you don't have a choice about. Very clearly

[gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Helmut Jarausch
Hi, gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.8.4 requires systemd sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.6cannot coexist with systemd but many packages depend on sys-auth/consolekit : emerge -vpc sys-auth/consolekit gives sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r2 pulled in by:

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Montag, 22. Juli 2013, 09:03:46 schrieb Helmut Jarausch: Hi, gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.8.4 requires systemd sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.6cannot coexist with systemd but many packages depend on sys-auth/consolekit : emerge -vpc sys-auth/consolekit gives

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 22/07/13 10:03, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, How did you resolve this conflict? Many thanks for a hint, Helmut As a maintainer of sys-auth/consolekit, and xfce-base/xfce4-meta I can assure you sys-auth/consolekit is not about to be removed and the support for systemd-logind will be

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Jul 22, 2013 6:34 PM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 22/07/13 10:03, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, How did you resolve this conflict? Many thanks for a hint, Helmut As a maintainer of sys-auth/consolekit, and xfce-base/xfce4-meta I can assure you sys-auth/consolekit is

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Philip Webb
130722 Helmut Jarausch wrote: gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.8.4 requires systemd sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.6cannot coexist with systemd but many packages depend on sys-auth/consolekit : How did you resolve this conflict? Don't use Gnome. I've been using Fluxbox for years

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread András Csányi
On 22 July 2013 15:35, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: 130722 Helmut Jarausch wrote: gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.8.4 requires systemd sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.6cannot coexist with systemd but many packages depend on sys-auth/consolekit : How did you resolve

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 22/07/2013 15:39, András Csányi wrote: On 22 July 2013 15:35, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: 130722 Helmut Jarausch wrote: gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.8.4 requires systemd sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.6cannot coexist with systemd but many packages depend on

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
ConsoleKit is for all practical purposes unmaintained, and all of the packages you mentioned it support systemd just fine. Emerge systemd, and purge CK from your system; I did that almost a year ago. Regards. On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:03 AM, Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 22/07/13 18:02, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: ConsoleKit is for all practical purposes unmaintained, and all of the packages you mentioned it support systemd just fine. Emerge systemd, and purge CK from your system; I did that almost a year ago. It's how you look at it. I call it mature but

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
yeah, because it is so great to have that monster systemd on your box. Because xml configs are awesome and binary logs even more and I always wanted an init with builtin webbrowser. Security? bah, not needed. So when do I have to install mysql to use it? How long until some crap ala

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Bruce Hill
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 09:35:22AM -0400, Philip Webb wrote: 130722 Helmut Jarausch wrote: gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.8.4 requires systemd sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.6cannot coexist with systemd but many packages depend on sys-auth/consolekit : How did you resolve

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Michael Hampicke
Am 22.07.2013 17:02, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: ConsoleKit is for all practical purposes unmaintained, and all of the packages you mentioned it support systemd just fine. Emerge systemd, and purge CK from your system; I did that almost a year ago. Thanks, just purged consolekit from my

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
maybe you should not just believe everything posted. Especially from a systemd fanboi. 2013/7/22 Michael Hampicke m...@hadt.biz Am 22.07.2013 17:02, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: ConsoleKit is for all practical purposes unmaintained, and all of the packages you mentioned it support systemd

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Mark David Dumlao
This would be a lot less of an issue if someone just wrote a logind ebuild (wink wink) that provides consolekit like it was originally intended. But yeah you usually stay away from unmaintained upstreams. On Jul 22, 2013 11:03 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: ConsoleKit is for

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Mark David Dumlao
Thank you for the FUD. I was beginning to miss M$. Heres the freedesktop entry for a more authoritative statement. http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit/ On Jul 23, 2013 4:57 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: maybe you should not just believe everything

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Mark David Dumlao
Thanks for the FUD. On Jul 22, 2013 11:15 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: yeah, because it is so great to have that monster systemd on your box. Because xml configs are awesome and binary logs even more and I always wanted an init with builtin webbrowser. Security?

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread covici
Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for the FUD. I was beginning to miss M$. Heres the freedesktop entry for a more authoritative statement. http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit/ On Jul 23, 2013 4:57 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 9:58 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: [ snip ] I have several things depending on consolekit: sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r2 pulled in by: gnome-base/gnome-control-center-3.8.3 requires sys-auth/consolekit Dependency of gnome-control-center: || ( (

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Mark Pariente
On Mon, 2013-07-22 at 17:14 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: yeah, because it is so great to have that monster systemd on your box. Because xml configs are awesome and binary logs even more and I always wanted an init with builtin webbrowser. Security? bah, not needed. So when do I have

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 23/07/13 00:46, Mark David Dumlao wrote: This would be a lot less of an issue if someone just wrote a logind ebuild (wink wink) that provides consolekit like it was originally intended. not possible, logind since systemd = 205 requires systemd and won't work on openrc, upstart, and such