On Thu, March 22, 2012 12:55 am, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:02:32PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote
I said this before, but it sounds useful to try to reiterate:
* It's probable that service-specific files should not be included in
the init system package.
* Service-specific
From: Walter Dnes [mailto:waltd...@waltdnes.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 5:14 PM
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 09:35:55PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote
What we're talking about with systemd vs openrc, and things like ssh'd
first-time initialization is all within the realm of responsibility
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 09:35:55PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote
What we're talking about with systemd vs openrc, and things like ssh'd
first-time initialization is all within the realm of responsibility of
the packager. It's a shift in the way the distribution itself works.
We're not talking
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 09:35:55PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote
What we're talking about with systemd vs openrc, and things like ssh'd
first-time initialization is all within the realm of responsibility of
the packager.
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 01:18:24AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote
I'm not sure where you're going with this. We're discussing an init
system and good, simple ways to start services. App maintainers are
going to continue to do whatever they feel they ought to do, some might
write the systemd
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 00:40:27 -0400
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 01:18:24AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote
I'm not sure where you're going with this. We're discussing an init
system and good, simple ways to start services. App maintainers are
going to
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 00:40:27 -0400
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 01:18:24AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote
I'm not sure where you're going with this. We're discussing an init
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:02:32PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote
I said this before, but it sounds useful to try to reiterate:
* It's probable that service-specific files should not be included in
the init system package.
* Service-specific init files should probably be part of the
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:02:32PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote
I said this before, but it sounds useful to try to reiterate:
* It's probable that service-specific files should not be included in
the init system package.
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:48:54 -0400 (EDT), Bruce Hill, Jr. wrote:
And for the Lennart fanboi, his coding is
so questionable that Lennartware has become derogatory slang. (Of
course, you already know that.)
And this is such a common term nowadays that when Googling for
Lennartware only one
i want to try this systemd thingy, where do is start at?
i have a vm for testing and i might will adopt it on the real one.
Thanks,
Eliezer
On 18/03/2012 09:28, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
it
or at least try it, and given the level of discussion you present, I'm
starting to think you don't
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:45:06 -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
* Really good in-site customization: The service unit files are
trivially overrided with custom ones for specific installations,
without needing to touch the ones installed by systemd or a program.
With OpenRC, if I modify a
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 02:49:56 -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
They ensure that there is an sshd configuration file and
give a meaningful message (including where to find the sample) if it
is not present, and check for the presence of the hostkeys (again
which are needed) and create them
Eliezer Croitoru writes:
i want to try this systemd thingy, where do is start at?
http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Systemd
Wonko
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 02:49:56 -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
They ensure that there is an sshd configuration file and
give a meaningful message (including where to find the sample) if it
is not present, and check
On March 19, 2012 at 9:13 AM Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:48:54 -0400 (EDT), Bruce Hill, Jr. wrote:
And for the Lennart fanboi, his coding is
so questionable that Lennartware has become derogatory slang. (Of
course, you already know that.)
And this
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:35:26AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote
systemd is like Captain Picard of STTNG (Start Trek The Next
Generation) always saying make it so. *HOW DO YOU MAKE IT SO?
That intelligence has to be somewhere. So what alternative do you
propose? A bash or ash script is
On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 10:33:11 -0400 (EDT), Bruce Hill, Jr. wrote:
And for the Lennart fanboi, his coding is
so questionable that Lennartware has become derogatory slang. (Of
course, you already know that.)
And this is such a common term nowadays that when Googling for
Lennartware
On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:58:22 -0400
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:35:26AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote
systemd is like Captain Picard of STTNG (Start Trek The Next
Generation) always saying make it so. *HOW DO YOU MAKE IT SO?
That intelligence has
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On March 17, 2012 at 10:57 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On March 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com writes:
* Really simple service unit files: The service unit files are really
small, really simple, really easy to understand/modify. Compare the 9
lines of sshd.service:
$ cat /etc/systemd/system/sshd.service
[Unit]
Description=SSH Secure Shell Service
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 2:02 AM, Graham Murray gra...@gmurray.org.uk wrote:
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com writes:
* Really simple service unit files: The service unit files are really
small, really simple, really easy to understand/modify. Compare the 9
lines of sshd.service:
$ cat
On Mar 18, 2012 3:52 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
If the config file doesn't exists, the service will not start, and you
can check the reason why with
systemctl status sshd.service
And of course you can set another mini sevice unit file to create the
hostkeys. But I
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:45:06 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
* Finally, and what I think is the most fundamental difference between
systemd and almost any other init system: The service unit files in
systemd are *declarative*; you tell the daemon *what* to do, not *how*
to
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:45:06 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
* Finally, and what I think is the most fundamental difference between
systemd and almost any other init system: The service unit files in
systemd are *declarative*; you tell the daemon
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 5:23 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
On Mar 18, 2012 3:52 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
If the config file doesn't exists, the service will not start, and you
can check the reason why with
systemctl status sshd.service
And of course you
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 5:23 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
On Mar 18, 2012 3:52 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
If the config file doesn't exists, the service will not start, and you
can
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 13:25:32 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
Or, said configuration files might be corrupted; the OpenRC
initscript -- if written defensively -- will be able to detect that
and (perhaps) fallback to something sane. systemd can't do that,
short of putting
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 01:25:32PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 5:23 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
On Mar 18, 2012 3:52 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
If the config file doesn't exists, the service will not start, and you
can
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 03:15:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote
Here's what I want:
When the machine starts, I want services X, Y and Z to run. The
software figures out what order they must start in and how the deps
work. Clean, neat, easy.
systemd is like Captain Picard of STTNG (Start
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:23:37 -0400
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 03:15:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote
Here's what I want:
When the machine starts, I want services X, Y and Z to run. The
software figures out what order they must start in and how the
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17/03/12 13:53, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Hello, Nikos.
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 08:25:48AM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Happy Computer Users, systemd is on your horizon.
No, we don't. I hope systemd arrives
On Mar 18, 2012 8:48 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 17/03/12 13:53, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Hello, Nikos.
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 08:25:48AM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Happy Computer
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
On Mar 18, 2012 8:48 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 17/03/12 13:53, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Hello, Nikos.
On Sat, Mar
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18/03/12 03:45, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
snip
[...]
* It tries to unify Linux behaviour among distros (some can argue that
this is a bad thing): Using systemd, the same
configurations/techniques work the same
On March 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17/03/12 13:53, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Hello, Nikos.
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 08:25:48AM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Happy Computer Users, systemd is on your horizon.
No, we don't. I hope systemd
On Mar 18, 2012 9:44 AM, Joshua Murphy poiso...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 18/03/12 03:45, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
snip
[...]
* It tries to unify Linux behaviour among distros (some can argue that
this is a bad
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On March 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17/03/12 13:53, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Hello, Nikos.
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 08:25:48AM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On March 17, 2012 at 9:45 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com
wrote:
But again, remember that I'm biased: I keep an overlay to run Gentoo
systems with only systemd; no OpenRC, no baselayout, no SysV. You guys
can try it if you want:
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On March 17, 2012 at 9:45 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com
wrote:
But again, remember that I'm biased: I keep an overlay to run Gentoo
systems with only systemd; no OpenRC, no baselayout, no
On March 17, 2012 at 10:57 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On March 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 17/03/12 13:53, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
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