Re: [gentoo-user] remove suse, install gentoo
On Wednesday 11 January 2006 08:04, Michael Kintzios wrote: -Original Message- From: Steve Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 January 2006 12:42 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] remove suse, install gentoo box: Prostar 2.8Gig ProStar Laptop w/60 Gig, 7200 rpm hard drive, 1 Gig Ram Current configuration: XP factory installed on 30gig partition Suse v9.0 installed on 20gig partition ext2, 1 Gig SWAP Goal: 1. Remove Suse. 2. Format 20 gig with Reisersf Leave Grub Install Gentoo Install VMware. Question: Can I install Gentoo over Suse or should I start over on a clean hard drive. Option I am considering: Start with a new hard drive, install Gentoo, VMware and then run XP as a virtual machine. Please advise. Background: I have installed Gentoo from Stage1 on a P3 600 Compaq Deskpro EN and Kubuntu on another Compaq Deskpro EN. But consider myself a Gentoo novice. This is my first email to the list. Thanks in advance for any help, Welcome to the list Steve! :-) As you probably know there's more than one ways to skin a cat, so I only express my preferences here; yours could be entirely different. I would leave the factory installed WinXP alone. Back up and thereafter remove all personal files and data from My Documents/Music/etc. Use Qtparted or Partition Magic, or whatever to shrink it down to 10-12G. Make sure that you defrag it a few times (before each successive shrinking). Then install Gentoo in the remaining space - preferably in primary partitions (it may give you an infinitesimally small increase in drive access/read/write speed). Assuming you are using the default three partition installation, then have swap first, root second, then an extended partition and in logical partition(s) you can fit home if you want it separately and boot last. Bringing Grub up could take an extra second but running the rest of the system should benefit proportionately. You can also create a vfat partition (personally I would put it on the second drive) and map all applications in WinXP to use that to save My Docs/Music/etc.- This would be your shared partitions to be able to access files from all OS'. With 1G RAM I would not have a swap partition any larger than 120M. As a matter of fact even that could be an overkill, but you never know. A single swap partition would do nicely for both Linuxes (change your /fstab accordingly). Size: a lot depends on what you use your system for, how often you reboot/flush your swap, logs and how many buggy applications you're running. Just as an indication on a 256M RAM box I am using a 145M swap partition which I have never seen filling up more than 75M. Even that only happened when Opera was caching all sort of chinese type fonts like mad and OOo was compiling at the same time. Otherwise even large compiles (KDE monolithic) struggle to use more than 65M. For reasons mentioned above your mileage may vary. Of course if you want to go multi-partition insane you could do what I've done and install Gentoo spread across multiple partitions on two drives/separate controllers to allow parallel access/processing by the CPU. A pain to back up but entertaining all the same if you like that sort of thing! 8-D Good luck, -- Regards, Mick Thanks for the help. The route I took was; 1. purchased another hd of same mfg/mdl 2. install gentoo (stage1 install). 3. install vmware 5.5 4. install win2k as a virtual machine. Had some wonderful help from someone in our Chicago office that guided me along via ssh and later vnd. Things are working fine EXCEPT FOR: 1. Printing: from Linux (win2k is ok) 2. Mounting USB drive and flash card reader. Will post to list as a separate questions if I do not figure it out. -- Steve -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] remove suse, install gentoo
-Original Message- From: Steve Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 January 2006 12:42 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] remove suse, install gentoo box: Prostar 2.8Gig ProStar Laptop w/60 Gig, 7200 rpm hard drive, 1 Gig Ram Current configuration: XP factory installed on 30gig partition Suse v9.0 installed on 20gig partition ext2, 1 Gig SWAP Goal: 1. Remove Suse. 2. Format 20 gig with Reisersf Leave Grub Install Gentoo Install VMware. Question: Can I install Gentoo over Suse or should I start over on a clean hard drive. Option I am considering: Start with a new hard drive, install Gentoo, VMware and then run XP as a virtual machine. Please advise. Background: I have installed Gentoo from Stage1 on a P3 600 Compaq Deskpro EN and Kubuntu on another Compaq Deskpro EN. But consider myself a Gentoo novice. This is my first email to the list. Thanks in advance for any help, Welcome to the list Steve! :-) As you probably know there's more than one ways to skin a cat, so I only express my preferences here; yours could be entirely different. I would leave the factory installed WinXP alone. Back up and thereafter remove all personal files and data from My Documents/Music/etc. Use Qtparted or Partition Magic, or whatever to shrink it down to 10-12G. Make sure that you defrag it a few times (before each successive shrinking). Then install Gentoo in the remaining space - preferably in primary partitions (it may give you an infinitesimally small increase in drive access/read/write speed). Assuming you are using the default three partition installation, then have swap first, root second, then an extended partition and in logical partition(s) you can fit home if you want it separately and boot last. Bringing Grub up could take an extra second but running the rest of the system should benefit proportionately. You can also create a vfat partition (personally I would put it on the second drive) and map all applications in WinXP to use that to save My Docs/Music/etc.- This would be your shared partitions to be able to access files from all OS'. With 1G RAM I would not have a swap partition any larger than 120M. As a matter of fact even that could be an overkill, but you never know. A single swap partition would do nicely for both Linuxes (change your /fstab accordingly). Size: a lot depends on what you use your system for, how often you reboot/flush your swap, logs and how many buggy applications you're running. Just as an indication on a 256M RAM box I am using a 145M swap partition which I have never seen filling up more than 75M. Even that only happened when Opera was caching all sort of chinese type fonts like mad and OOo was compiling at the same time. Otherwise even large compiles (KDE monolithic) struggle to use more than 65M. For reasons mentioned above your mileage may vary. Of course if you want to go multi-partition insane you could do what I've done and install Gentoo spread across multiple partitions on two drives/separate controllers to allow parallel access/processing by the CPU. A pain to back up but entertaining all the same if you like that sort of thing! 8-D Good luck, -- Regards, Mick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] remove suse, install gentoo
I replaced SUSE with Gentoo on my server a few months back. I installed Gentoo from Suse, so that the server stayed up and running whilst I installed and configured everything. I did the install on a separate partition, and once everything was configured and any data copied over, I booted up into Gentoo properly. This way, I could mount the old Suse partition to have access to my old configuration files, and fix any problems I was having. So basically, if you have space and a spare partition/drive, I would install side by side until everything is working OK before binning Suse. -- Ant... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] remove suse, install gentoo
Anthony Roy schreef: I replaced SUSE with Gentoo on my server a few months back. I installed Gentoo from Suse, so that the server stayed up and running whilst I installed and configured everything. I did the install on a separate partition, and once everything was configured and any data copied over, I booted up into Gentoo properly. This way, I could mount the old Suse partition to have access to my old configuration files, and fix any problems I was having. So basically, if you have space and a spare partition/drive, I would install side by side until everything is working OK before binning Suse. Yes, that's what I did as well (installed Gentoo from within a running SuSE install), but I've left my SuSE install as a fallback in the (increasingly unlikely) event that I bork Gentoo so badly that I can't boot it at all (and that the problems are more severe than can be easily fixed by just booting a LiveCD and fixing a couple of lines in a config file, which is the most typical situation). May I also point out a very useful SuSE feature that made this even easier; if you boot from the SuSE install disk when you have a currently-installed SuSE, you can choose to Install to another directory. Basically this *moves* your SuSE install to another partition or drive, without doing anything else to it. So when I went to install Gentoo next to SuSE, I was running SuSE on a temp 20GB HDD (temp because I had only installed SuSE because I completely broke Gentoo during The Great PAM Debacle, and it was really just about as unfixable-- by me-- as Gentoo is ever likely to get, but I had no particular intention or desire to keep SuSE on the system; I just needed to run something while I reorganized to reinstall Gentoo took a year, iirc), but intended to install Gentoo (and SuSE) to my newly-bought 80GB HDD (and dump the 20 GB drive). So I used that SuSE feature to move the current installation to the 80GB drive, and after testing, removed the junk drive. So then I had SuSE on the 80GB, and was able to go through the regular Alternative Install as normal, installing Gentoo to other partitions of the same drive. SuSE is still in my GRUB menu and bootable, but honestly, I never boot into it, and in fact I mainly mount the partition in order to use the space on it to back stuff up temporarily. But if I really needed to, I could boot it, the kernel is still in /boot, and there's no reason there should be a problem doing so (since I do all the backing up to /usr/local, where it shouldn't bother anything if I needed to actually boot SuSE). HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
