[gentoo-user] Re: Ansible, puppet and chef

2014-09-17 Thread Hans de Graaff
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 22:43:18 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Puppet seems to me a good product for a large site with 1000 hosts. Not so much for ~20 or so. Plus puppet's language and configs get large and hard to keep track of - lots and lots of directory trees with many things mentioning other

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge output: [ebuild UD ]

2014-09-17 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 17/09/14 03:01, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 09/16/2014 03:14 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: For some reason xfce-power-manager-1.3.1 does not satisfy what the local install needs but 1.3.0 does. So portage wants to make it so. Version 1.3.1 was removed from the tree, leaving only 1.3.0 to

Re: [gentoo-user] Ansible, puppet and chef

2014-09-17 Thread Tomas Mozes
On 2014-09-16 22:43, Alan McKinnon wrote: Anyone here used ansible and at least one of puppet/chef? What are your thoughts? I've made several attempts over the years to get puppet going but never really got it off the ground. Chef I stay away from (likely due to the first demo of it I saw and

Re: [gentoo-user] Ansible, puppet and chef

2014-09-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 17/09/2014 03:30, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: We use bcfg2, and all I can say is to stay away. XML abuse runs rampant in bcfg2. From what I've heard from other professional sysadmins, Puppet is the favorite, but that's mostly conjecture. XML. Ugh. OSSEC works like that too. The software itself

Re: [gentoo-user] Ansible, puppet and chef

2014-09-17 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:43:18 PM Alan McKinnon wrote: Anyone here used ansible and at least one of puppet/chef? What are your thoughts? I've made several attempts over the years to get puppet going but never really got it off the ground. Chef I stay away from (likely due to the

Re: [gentoo-user] File system testing

2014-09-17 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 07:07:38 PM James wrote: Hello, By now many are familiar with my keen interest in clustering gentoo systems. So, what most cluster technologies use is a distributed file system on top of the local (HD/SDD) file system. Naturally not all file systems,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FhGFS or BeeGFS on Gentoo?

2014-09-17 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Monday, September 15, 2014 06:31:26 PM James wrote: James wireless at tampabay.rr.com writes: Any brave souls put FhGFS on a gentoo system? Oops, I forgot the most interesting link of all. [1] James [1] http://moo.nac.uci.edu/~hjm/fhgfs_vs_gluster.html I got a 404-error on this

Re: [gentoo-user] FhGFS or BeeGFS on Gentoo?

2014-09-17 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Monday, September 15, 2014 06:12:15 PM James wrote: Howdy, Any brave souls put FhGFS on a gentoo system? [1] It's a distributed File System and some run it on top of ZFS or EXT4 or BTRFS, with very positive results. It is in the process of going open source from what I've read about.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ansible, puppet and chef

2014-09-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 17/09/2014 07:46, Hans de Graaff wrote: On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 22:43:18 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Puppet seems to me a good product for a large site with 1000 hosts. Not so much for ~20 or so. Plus puppet's language and configs get large and hard to keep track of - lots and lots of

Re: [gentoo-user] Ansible, puppet and chef

2014-09-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 17/09/2014 09:07, Tomas Mozes wrote: On 2014-09-16 22:43, Alan McKinnon wrote: Anyone here used ansible and at least one of puppet/chef? What are your thoughts? I've made several attempts over the years to get puppet going but never really got it off the ground. Chef I stay away from

Re: [gentoo-user] Ansible, puppet and chef

2014-09-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 17/09/2014 09:34, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:43:18 PM Alan McKinnon wrote: Anyone here used ansible and at least one of puppet/chef? What are your thoughts? I've made several attempts over the years to get puppet going but never really got it off the ground.

Re: [gentoo-user] crontab backup

2014-09-17 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 19:30:36 -0600, Joseph wrote: I'm trying to backup crontab from various boxes to files, so I'm using (run once a month) 11 01 * * 5 crontab -l /home/joseph/business/backup/crontabs/syscon7_joseph_crontab but I can from bash: cannot overwrite existing file Do you have

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Eapi 6 ?

2014-09-17 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 03:40:37 + (UTC), James wrote: You can often do it without touching the ebuild at all by putting post_src_unpack() { cd ${S} epatch_user } in /etc/portage/env/category/package[-version] Nice trick to know. But, I do not have an

Re: [gentoo-user] Ansible, puppet and chef

2014-09-17 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:12:52 AM Alan McKinnon wrote: On 17/09/2014 09:34, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:43:18 PM Alan McKinnon wrote: Anyone here used ansible and at least one of puppet/chef? What are your thoughts? I've made several attempts

Re: [gentoo-user] Ansible, puppet and chef

2014-09-17 Thread Eray Aslan
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:43:18PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Puppet seems to me a good product for a large site with 1000 hosts. Not so much for ~20 or so. I find that for a few machines, puppet is overkill. For a lot of machines, puppet can become unmanageable - with puppet master and

[gentoo-user] Reverse Tethering - How to?

2014-09-17 Thread Helmut Jarausch
Hi, how do I need to configure my Gentoo box to allow for reverse tethering from my (rooted) Android phone? Many thanks for a hint, Helmut

Re: [gentoo-user] Ansible, puppet and chef

2014-09-17 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:19:37 PM Eray Aslan wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:43:18PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Puppet seems to me a good product for a large site with 1000 hosts. Not so much for ~20 or so. I find that for a few machines, puppet is overkill. For a lot of

Re: [gentoo-user] Reverse Tethering - How to?

2014-09-17 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:24:36 AM Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, how do I need to configure my Gentoo box to allow for reverse tethering from my (rooted) Android phone? Many thanks for a hint, Helmut What do you mean with reverse tethering? That your mobile uses the network

Re: [gentoo-user] Reverse Tethering - How to?

2014-09-17 Thread Helmut Jarausch
On 09/17/2014 11:43:28 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:24:36 AM Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, how do I need to configure my Gentoo box to allow for reverse tethering from my (rooted) Android phone? Many thanks for a hint, Helmut What do you mean with reverse

Re: [gentoo-user] Reverse Tethering - How to?

2014-09-17 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:46:12 AM Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 09/17/2014 11:43:28 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:24:36 AM Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, how do I need to configure my Gentoo box to allow for reverse tethering from my

Re: [gentoo-user] Reverse Tethering - How to?

2014-09-17 Thread Helmut Jarausch
On 09/17/2014 11:50:58 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:46:12 AM Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 09/17/2014 11:43:28 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:24:36 AM Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, how do I need to configure my Gentoo box to

Re: [gentoo-user] Reverse Tethering - How to?

2014-09-17 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:53:52 AM Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 09/17/2014 11:50:58 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:46:12 AM Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 09/17/2014 11:43:28 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:24:36 AM Helmut

Re: [gentoo-user] Reverse Tethering - How to?

2014-09-17 Thread Stroller
On Wed, 17 September 2014, at 10:53 am, Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote: … My mobile should be able to use the (wired) network connection of my Gentoo box. My GenToo box doesn't have a wireless card. I'd like to connect my mobile to the USB port of my Gentoo box and

Re: [gentoo-user] Reverse Tethering - How to?

2014-09-17 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:05:37 PM Stroller wrote: On Wed, 17 September 2014, at 10:53 am, Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth- aachen.de wrote: … My mobile should be able to use the (wired) network connection of my Gentoo box. My GenToo box doesn't have a wireless card.

Re: [gentoo-user] Reverse Tethering - How to?

2014-09-17 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 17 Sep 2014 11:14:28 J. Roeleveld wrote: On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:53:52 AM Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 09/17/2014 11:50:58 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:46:12 AM Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 09/17/2014 11:43:28 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] Ansible, puppet and chef

2014-09-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 17/09/2014 11:34, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:19:37 PM Eray Aslan wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:43:18PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Puppet seems to me a good product for a large site with 1000 hosts. Not so much for ~20 or so. I find that for a few

[gentoo-user] Re: Reverse Tethering - How to?

2014-09-17 Thread James
Helmut Jarausch jarausch at igpm.rwth-aachen.de writes: how do I need to configure my Gentoo box to allow for reverse tethering from my (rooted) Android phone? PPP over usb is the most probable route. PPP is basically TCP/IP (usually over a serial link/prototol_carrier). This might

Re: [gentoo-user] Ansible, puppet and chef

2014-09-17 Thread Tomas Mozes
On 2014-09-17 14:07, Alan McKinnon wrote: Nagios btw has the same problem hence why I'm switching to Icinga 2 which fixes Nagios's config language once and for all. Or you can use hostgroups/templates and have all your configuration in files and in git. Depends what you like more.

Re: [gentoo-user] Ansible, puppet and chef

2014-09-17 Thread Tomas Mozes
On 2014-09-17 10:08, Alan McKinnon wrote: That's almost exactly the same setup I have in mind. How complex do the playbooks get in real-life? The common role has about 70 tasks. It does almost everything covered in the handbook plus installs and configures additional stuff like postfix,

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge output: [ebuild UD ]

2014-09-17 Thread Alexander Kapshuk
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 17/09/14 03:01, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 09/16/2014 03:14 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: For some reason xfce-power-manager-1.3.1 does not satisfy what the local install needs but 1.3.0 does. So portage wants to make

Re: [gentoo-user] Ansible, puppet and chef

2014-09-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 17/09/2014 14:46, Tomas Mozes wrote: On 2014-09-17 10:08, Alan McKinnon wrote: That's almost exactly the same setup I have in mind. How complex do the playbooks get in real-life? The common role has about 70 tasks. It does almost everything covered in the handbook plus installs and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Reverse Tethering - How to?

2014-09-17 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 17 Sep 2014 13:31:53 James wrote: Helmut Jarausch jarausch at igpm.rwth-aachen.de writes: how do I need to configure my Gentoo box to allow for reverse tethering from my (rooted) Android phone? PPP over usb is the most probable route. PPP is basically TCP/IP

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge output: [ebuild UD ]

2014-09-17 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 17/09/14 16:16, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 17/09/14 03:01, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 09/16/2014 03:14 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: For some reason xfce-power-manager-1.3.1 does not satisfy what the local install

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge output: [ebuild UD ]

2014-09-17 Thread Alexander Kapshuk
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 17/09/14 16:16, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 17/09/14 03:01, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 09/16/2014 03:14 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: For

[gentoo-user] Re: File system testing

2014-09-17 Thread James
J. Roeleveld joost at antarean.org writes: Distributed File Systems (DFS): Local (Device) File Systems LFS: Is my understanding correct that the top list all require one of the bottom list? Eg. the clustering FSs only ensure the files on the LFSs are duplicated/spread over the

[gentoo-user] [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
This is highly off-topic, and systemd-related, so if you don't want your breakfast with a healthy amount of flames, skip it. iTWire posted an interview with Linus Torvalds[1], where the Big Penguin himself gave a succinct and pretty fair opinion on systemd. The gist of it can be resumed in two

Re: [gentoo-user] File system testing

2014-09-17 Thread Hervé Guillemet
Le 16/09/2014 21:07, James a écrit : By now many are familiar with my keen interest in clustering gentoo systems. So, what most cluster technologies use is a distributed file system on top of the local (HD/SDD) file system. Naturally not all file systems, particularly the distributed file

Re: [gentoo-user] File system testing

2014-09-17 Thread J. Roeleveld
On 17 September 2014 20:10:57 CEST, Hervé Guillemet he...@guillemet.org wrote: Le 16/09/2014 21:07, James a écrit : By now many are familiar with my keen interest in clustering gentoo systems. So, what most cluster technologies use is a distributed file system on top of the local (HD/SDD)

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 17.09.2014 um 18:06 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: This is highly off-topic, and systemd-related, so if you don't want your breakfast with a healthy amount of flames, skip it. iTWire posted an interview with Linus Torvalds[1], where the Big Penguin himself gave a succinct and pretty fair

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 17.09.2014 um 18:06 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: This is highly off-topic, and systemd-related, so if you don't want your breakfast with a healthy amount of flames, skip it. iTWire posted an interview with Linus Torvalds[1], where the Big Penguin himself gave a succinct and pretty fair

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Joseph
On 09/17/14 20:36, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: [snip] It's an interesting read; I highly recommend it. [1] http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/65402-torvalds-says-he-has-no-strong-opinions-on-systemd Now you use this to advertise for systemd? Systemd fanbois are becoming

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: [snip] Now you use this to advertise for systemd? Systemd fanbois are becoming more and more desperate. So, systemd is used (or it has been announced that is going to be used) by default in all the major

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 17.09.2014 um 21:02 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: [snip] Now you use this to advertise for systemd? Systemd fanbois are becoming more and more desperate. So, systemd is used (or it has been announced

[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread James
Canek Peláez Valdés caneko at gmail.com writes: This is highly off-topic, and systemd-related, so if you don't want your breakfast with a healthy amount of flames, skip it. I think this is very much on Topic. iTWire posted an interview with Linus Torvalds[1], where the Big Penguin himself

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: File system testing

2014-09-17 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 03:55:56 PM James wrote: J. Roeleveld joost at antarean.org writes: Distributed File Systems (DFS): Local (Device) File Systems LFS: Is my understanding correct that the top list all require one of the bottom list? Eg. the clustering FSs only

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 17.09.2014 um 21:02 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: [snip] Now you use this to advertise for systemd? Systemd

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:28 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Linus should make a clear, leadership statement that there will always be a path for folks to use another mechanism besides systemd in the linux kernel; This does not have to be a systemd vs cgroups discussion, but it

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: File system testing

2014-09-17 Thread Alec Ten Harmsel
As far as HDFS goes, I would only set that up if you will use it for Hadoop or related tools. It's highly specific, and the performance is not good unless you're doing a massively parallel read (what it was designed for). I can elaborate why if anyone is actually interested. We use Lustre for our

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 17.09.2014 um 21:52 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 17.09.2014 um 21:02 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: [snip] Now

[gentoo-user] why the sudden need for glamor in xf86-video-intel

2014-09-17 Thread gottlieb
Today EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--ask --deep --tree --verbose --jobs --load-average=5 emerge --keep-going --update --changed-use @world generated Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R] x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel-2.21.15 USE=dri glamor* sna udev -uxa -xvmc 1,932 kB [ebuild N ]

[gentoo-user] Re: File system testing

2014-09-17 Thread James
Alec Ten Harmsel alec at alectenharmsel.com writes: As far as HDFS goes, I would only set that up if you will use it for Hadoop or related tools. It's highly specific, and the performance is not good unless you're doing a massively parallel read (what it was designed for). I can elaborate

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sep 18, 2014 2:37 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 17.09.2014 um 18:06 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: This is highly off-topic, and systemd-related, so if you don't want your breakfast with a healthy amount of flames, skip it. iTWire posted an interview with

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 17.09.2014 um 21:52 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 17.09.2014 um 21:02 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: On Wed, Sep

[gentoo-user] Re: File system testing

2014-09-17 Thread James
J. Roeleveld joost at antarean.org writes: AFS has caching and can survive temporary disappearance of the server. Excellent for low bandwidth connections. Most DFS have mechanisms to deal with transient failures, but not as generaous on the time-scale as AFS. I believe, if I recall correctly,

[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread James
Rich Freeman rich0 at gentoo.org writes: Uh, the only thing the Linux kernel does is spawn a single process as PID 1 and offer a VERY STABLE system call interface for that and future processes to make requests. Nobody is going to break sysvinit if that happens to be the thing you tell Linux

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 17 Sep 2014 22:03:14 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Yeah. So it happened with XFree86, aRts, esd, gnome-vfs, DCOP, sendmail, Aheam! Excuse me, but there's nothing wrong with sendmail! :-p -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sep 18, 2014 5:19 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Rich Freeman rich0 at gentoo.org writes: Uh, the only thing the Linux kernel does is spawn a single process as PID 1 and offer a VERY STABLE system call interface for that and future processes to make requests. Nobody is

[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread James
Mark David Dumlao madumlao at gmail.com writes: Publish perfomanced metrics; Choice; Unreasonable? The classic open source answer to being told to do a lot of work on publicly available data is I'm sorry, I must have missed your link to the published data? Sure it exist and I have just

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sep 18, 2014 5:36 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Mark David Dumlao madumlao at gmail.com writes: Publish perfomanced metrics; Choice; Unreasonable? The classic open source answer to being told to do a lot of work on publicly available data is I'm sorry, I must have

[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread James
Mark David Dumlao madumlao at gmail.com writes: Publish perfomanced metrics; Choice; Unreasonable? The classic open source answer to being told to do a lot of work on publicly available data Ah, here is some of the tesing you are referring to?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 5:46 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Mark David Dumlao madumlao at gmail.com writes: Publish perfomanced metrics; Choice; Unreasonable? The classic open source answer to being told to do a lot of work on publicly available data Ah, here is some of

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 17.09.2014 um 23:03 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 17.09.2014 um 21:52 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 17.09.2014 um 22:58 schrieb Mark David Dumlao: On Sep 18, 2014 2:37 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com mailto:volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 17.09.2014 um 18:06 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: This is highly off-topic, and systemd-related, so if you don't want

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 17.09.2014 um 23:42 schrieb Mark David Dumlao: On Sep 18, 2014 5:36 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com mailto:wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Mark David Dumlao madumlao at gmail.com http://gmail.com writes: Publish perfomanced metrics; Choice; Unreasonable? The classic open

[gentoo-user] copy file and preserve ownership

2014-09-17 Thread Joseph
I like to use meld to copy file but meld does now preserve ownership of the file that it copy. rsyc does but how do I use rysnc to copy let say file that are newer then certain date ? I was trying to use: find /home/myuser/oldir/* -mtime -60 -exec cp {} /home/myuser/newdir/ \; but cp does not

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 6:41 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 17.09.2014 um 23:42 schrieb Mark David Dumlao: On Sep 18, 2014 5:36 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Mark David Dumlao madumlao at gmail.com writes: Publish perfomanced metrics;

[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread James
Mark David Dumlao madumlao at gmail.com writes: perfomanced metrics; Choice; Unreasonable? work on publicly available data Ah, here is some of the tesing you are referring to?http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-March/017570.html My position is that you're an idiot

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 5:18 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Rich Freeman rich0 at gentoo.org writes: On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:28 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Linus should make a clear, leadership statement that there will always be a path for folks to use another

[gentoo-user] Re: copy file and preserve ownership

2014-09-17 Thread Jouni Kosonen
Joseph wrote: I like to use meld to copy file but meld does now preserve ownership of the file that it copy. rsyc does but how do I use rysnc to copy let say file that are newer then certain date ? I was trying to use: find /home/myuser/oldir/* -mtime -60 -exec cp {} /home/myuser/newdir/

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 7:11 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Mark David Dumlao madumlao at gmail.com writes: You're the only one in this thread that's imposing on everyone to produce anything. You're the only one in this thread that SHOULD be producing anything. That's how open

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: copy file and preserve ownership

2014-09-17 Thread Joseph
On 09/18/14 02:14, Jouni Kosonen wrote: Joseph wrote: I like to use meld to copy file but meld does now preserve ownership of the file that it copy. rsyc does but how do I use rysnc to copy let say file that are newer then certain date ? I was trying to use: find /home/myuser/oldir/* -mtime

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Alec Ten Harmsel
Mark David Dumlao wrote: The code is out there. Freely available. Both systemd and sysvinit. If you wanted to measure both, you could, literally, in the time it took since you first posted in this thread till now you could have measured several times and left mean comments about whichever

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote: Mark David Dumlao wrote: The code is out there. Freely available. Both systemd and sysvinit. If you wanted to measure both, you could, literally, in the time it took since you first posted in this thread till now

Re: [gentoo-user] why the sudden need for glamor in xf86-video-intel

2014-09-17 Thread gottlieb
On Wed, Sep 17 2014, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:51:17 -0400, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: The following USE changes are necessary to proceed: (see package.use in the portage(5) man page for more details) # required by x11-libs/glamor-0.6.0 # required by

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote: Mark David Dumlao wrote: The code is out there. Freely available. Both systemd and sysvinit. If you wanted to measure both, you could,

[gentoo-user] Is systemd-journald a complete replacement for sysklogd?

2014-09-17 Thread walt
I'm trying to track down a bad bug in dhcpcd-6.4.4, so (unlike most days ;) I'm paying close attention to the output of journalctl. The confusing part is that the output of journalctl is *very* different depending on whether dhcpcd starts correctly during boot. Or not. I think I may be shooting

Re: [gentoo-user] Is systemd-journald a complete replacement for sysklogd?

2014-09-17 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 8:26 AM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to track down a bad bug in dhcpcd-6.4.4, so (unlike most days ;) I'm paying close attention to the output of journalctl. The confusing part is that the output of journalctl is *very* different depending on whether

Re: [gentoo-user] Is systemd-journald a complete replacement for sysklogd?

2014-09-17 Thread Mark David Dumlao
It is, but. You'll have to get used to running and searching via journalctl instead of processing the logs directly. Journal is not persistent across reboots by default, but you can reconfigure it to be. (just create /var/log/journal) Last I recall you won't get fine-grained per-daemon space

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Alec Ten Harmsel
On 09/17/2014 10:40 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: Fact is if it's _you_ that seems to give a tweet about systemd speed, so it's on _you_ to measure it, I don't really care what you think. The fact that you think pid1's speed or resource usage might be a big deal is very indicative on how

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 17/09/14 23:43, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 17.09.2014 um 21:52 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 17.09.2014 um 21:02 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 18/09/14 03:12, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: Mark David Dumlao wrote: The code is out there. Freely available. Both systemd and sysvinit. If you wanted to measure both, you could, literally, in the time it took since you first posted in this thread till now you could have measured several

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 18/09/14 07:52, Samuli Suominen wrote: Notably Gentoo has never used entire SysV, only the init part, not the /etc.d/rc.d part I meant /etc/rc.d of course. Typing error. Sorry.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 18/09/2014 02:12, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: Mark David Dumlao wrote: The code is out there. Freely available. Both systemd and sysvinit. If you wanted to measure both, you could, literally, in the time it took since you first posted in this thread till now you could have measured several

Re: [gentoo-user] copy file and preserve ownership

2014-09-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 18/09/2014 00:54, Joseph wrote: I like to use meld to copy file but meld does now preserve ownership of the file that it copy. rsyc does but how do I use rysnc to copy let say file that are newer then certain date ? I was trying to use: find /home/myuser/oldir/* -mtime -60 -exec cp {}