[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On 06/29/2010 07:23 AM, Alex Schuster wrote: I have: CFLAGS=-march=k8-sse3 Hm. I've never seen that flag before. My k8 supports only sse2. AFAIK -fomit-frame-pointer should be perfectly safe, at the only cost of making debugging harder. I already thought about removing it anyway, so my bug reports will make more sense. BTW, does anyone know _how_ _much_ this flag is suposed to seed things up, is it even noticeable? I've never been able to see any difference, so I don't use omit-fp. But, the main cpu-intensive app I use is gcc, and I admit I've never actually measured the difference. Uh, I just hate web clients. That's what I have a desktop environment for, I agree completely, but the Software-As-A-Service paradigm is getting a lot of attention from M$ *and* google as a more profitable alternative to selling shrink-wrapped software like M$-Office. (M$ ran out of good ideas to persuade people to buy new versions of Office many years ago, IMHO.) When companies that rich and powerful push web-only services as the answer to their revenue prayers, I suspect they may be able to win. I hate web-mail, and I always use pop3 or imap when I can, but I can't force my employer to offer those services if they've decided that running a web- mail server is cheaper. I've tried many times, but I'm losing the battle. If the trend continues, only port 80 will be in use in a few years. Will the black hat hackers be unhappy about that? Dunno, but I'd guess not.
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On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 06:04:59PM -0700, walt wrote When companies that rich and powerful push web-only services as the answer to their revenue prayers, I suspect they may be able to win. The answer to that is Gnumeric/Abiword, unless MS/Google get them outlawed. OpenOffice (Bleagh) and KOffice (Bleagh) are bloated, but some people still use them. If the trend continues, only port 80 will be in use in a few years. Will the black hat hackers be unhappy about that? Dunno, but I'd guess not. Hackers will be very happy and clients will be very vulnerable... du, nice profitable company youse got there Mr. CEO. It would be a shame if something terrible should happen to your cashflow, like your internet connection was killed by a backhoe, or a DDOS attack. Now, for only a few thousand dollars per month in protection, wese can see to it that nothing terrible happens to your beautiful cashflow. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:17:26 -0800, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: Bingo! I'm OP, and kind of like the KDE look, and I'm used to where things are (except for the new K menu which I'm slowly adapting to). I didn't bother adapting to it, I adapted it to me, you can switch back to the old style menu. I know how to find things already, but indexing my gigabytes of game records is just silly. The strigi settings allow you to choose which directories are indexed, so you could keep it running but exclude those game records. -- Neil Bothwick Sir! Romulan warbird decloaki»®õ÷üÁ NO CARRIER signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:17:26 -0800, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I know how to find things already, but indexing my gigabytes of game records is just silly. The strigi settings allow you to choose which directories are indexed, so you could keep it running but exclude those game records. I ran across that setting while looking for something else. I got it down to just my Documents folder. There is not much in there so it is not to busy at all now. It just barely blinks. lol It would be fun to watch it index my camera pics directory. Over 160,000 pics so far. I get camera happy at times. Dale :-) :-)
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Am Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: Honestly, for what the OP appears to need out of a desktop environment, he'd be more than happy with Xfce or something and save a ton of disk space. the thing is - xfce does not necessarily use less ram. And semantic desktop can help him to easily find data points over a multitude of documents..,.. I grew tired of strigi and virtuoso eating CPU all the time, so after a week or two of using KDE4 over KDE3 again (and perhaps staying this time), I disabled it. XFCE, like many, if not all other alternatives, are GTK-based, and I just can’t stand the way GTK tools look and how they use up screen space. It’s very sad that there’s no alternative Qt-based WM out there any more. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' - http://www.stud.tu-ilmenau.de/~frst-ii/ - EDOB Nicht von Staat und Konzernen ausschnüffeln lassen, E-Mails verschlüsseln! http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Privacy_Guard http://hp.kairaven.de/pgp/ Warum summt die Biene? - Weil sie den Text vergessen hat. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
Am Donnerstag 25 Februar 2010 schrieb Kevin O'Gorman: Bingo! I'm OP, and kind of like the KDE look, and I'm used to where things are (except for the new K menu which I'm slowly adapting to). I know how to find things already, but indexing my gigabytes of game records is just silly. Well, you can always switch to classic view by right-clicking on the K. I concur it’s a lot of Klicki-bunti, as we say in Germany (bunt=colourful). The only usability plus for the new type is the input field, but that’s already covered by KRunner. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' - http://www.stud.tu-ilmenau.de/~frst-ii/ - EDOB Nicht von Staat und Konzernen ausschnüffeln lassen, E-Mails verschlüsseln! http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Privacy_Guard http://hp.kairaven.de/pgp/ Man kommt unfertig auf die Welt und wird dann fertiggemacht. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. Put -semantic-desktop in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge -a --depclean. That should do it.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. Put -semantic-desktop in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge -a --depclean. That should do it. Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set? -- Zeerak Waseem pgpR9zop2lF1s.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On 02/24/2010 03:41 PM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. Put -semantic-desktop in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge -a --depclean. That should do it. Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set? Don't know, never happened here.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
Am Mittwoch, 24. Februar 2010 15:12:58 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: On 02/24/2010 03:41 PM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. Put -semantic-desktop in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge -a --depclean. That should do it. Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set? Don't know, never happened here. Just tried it, and the following apps are being recompiled right now: [ebuild R ] kde-base/pykde4-4.3.5-r1 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/gwenview-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/akonadi-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] net-wireless/kbluetooth-0.4.2 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/plasma-workspace-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/dolphin-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/kdebase-runtime-meta-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/kmail-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/kdeplasma-addons-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* Let's see if it works.
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there was a recent discussion about this on this mailing list: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/msg_13c6d27e4216e91ed3c4800fe42b8e95.xml it seems only Kmail needs that USE flag. I also haven't tried this on my system. On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: On 02/24/2010 03:41 PM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. Put -semantic-desktop in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge -a --depclean. That should do it. Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set? Don't know, never happened here. -- Crístian Deives dos Santos Viana [aka CD1] Sent from Campinas, SP, Brazil
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On 02/24/2010 04:28 PM, Crístian Viana wrote: there was a recent discussion about this on this mailing list: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/msg_13c6d27e4216e91ed3c4800fe42b8e95.xml it seems only Kmail needs that USE flag. I also haven't tried this on my system. Question is: will enabling that USE flag only for kdelibs result in KDE in general using a semantic desktop?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On Wednesday 24 February 2010 16:46:59 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 04:28 PM, Crístian Viana wrote: there was a recent discussion about this on this mailing list: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/msg_13c6d27e4216e91ed3c4800fe42b8e 95.xml it seems only Kmail needs that USE flag. I also haven't tried this on my system. Question is: will enabling that USE flag only for kdelibs result in KDE in general using a semantic desktop? No. It means that kdelibs will support Nepomuk, whether individual apps do so or not is indeterminate. There are three possibilities for apps: 1. They build support for semantic desktop 2. They do not build support for semantic desktop 3. They can be configured to support or not support semantic desktop via USE Plus a 4th option: buggy code that does some weird combination of 1-3 or perhaps something else altogether. To answer your question, you would have to audit all the KDE4 apps and add up the tally against points 1-3 (and maybe 4) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Am Mittwoch, 24. Februar 2010 15:12:58 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: On 02/24/2010 03:41 PM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. Put -semantic-desktop in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge -a --depclean. That should do it. Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set? Don't know, never happened here. Just tried it, and the following apps are being recompiled right now: [ebuild R ] kde-base/pykde4-4.3.5-r1 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/gwenview-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/akonadi-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] net-wireless/kbluetooth-0.4.2 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/plasma-workspace-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/dolphin-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/kdebase-runtime-meta-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/kmail-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/kdeplasma-addons-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* Let's see if it works. I seem to recall that I had to enable this for some updates recently. Something wouldn't compile without the USE flag being set. I don't think I need the thing either so if this works now, I may change mine and try it too. Also, I use the kde-meta package which may make a difference. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On 02/24/2010 06:03 PM, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Am Mittwoch, 24. Februar 2010 15:12:58 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: On 02/24/2010 03:41 PM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. Put -semantic-desktop in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge -a --depclean. That should do it. Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set? Don't know, never happened here. Just tried it, and the following apps are being recompiled right now: [ebuild R ] kde-base/pykde4-4.3.5-r1 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/gwenview-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/akonadi-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] net-wireless/kbluetooth-0.4.2 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/plasma-workspace-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/dolphin-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/kdebase-runtime-meta-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/kmail-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/kdeplasma-addons-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* Let's see if it works. I seem to recall that I had to enable this for some updates recently. Something wouldn't compile without the USE flag being set. I don't think I need the thing either so if this works now, I may change mine and try it too. Also, I use the kde-meta package which may make a difference. KMail from KDE 4.4 needs it. KMail from KDE 4.3 doesn't.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On 2/24/2010 8:41 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. Put -semantic-desktop in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge -a --depclean. That should do it. Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set? For KDE 4.4, +semantic-desktop is mandatory, though you can still turn off the services after installing them. Honestly, for what the OP appears to need out of a desktop environment, he'd be more than happy with Xfce or something and save a ton of disk space. --Mike
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chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On 02/24/2010 06:03 PM, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Am Mittwoch, 24. Februar 2010 15:12:58 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: On 02/24/2010 03:41 PM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. Put -semantic-desktop in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge -a --depclean. That should do it. Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set? Don't know, never happened here. Just tried it, and the following apps are being recompiled right now: [ebuild R ] kde-base/pykde4-4.3.5-r1 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/gwenview-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/akonadi-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] net-wireless/kbluetooth-0.4.2 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/plasma-workspace-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/dolphin-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/kdebase-runtime-meta-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/kmail-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/kdeplasma-addons-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* Let's see if it works. I seem to recall that I had to enable this for some updates recently. Something wouldn't compile without the USE flag being set. I don't think I need the thing either so if this works now, I may change mine and try it too. Also, I use the kde-meta package which may make a difference. KMail from KDE 4.4 needs it. KMail from KDE 4.3 doesn't. Since kde-meta would pull in Kmail, that could be the problem for me. If you folks are doing yours the manual way, you may can get away with it. I suspect that some other packages will pull it in as KDE develops tho. After all, KDE 4 has a LOT of eye candy to it. Sort of like winders actually. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
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On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Mike Edenfield wrote: On 2/24/2010 8:41 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. Put -semantic-desktop in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge -a --depclean. That should do it. Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set? For KDE 4.4, +semantic-desktop is mandatory, though you can still turn off the services after installing them. Honestly, for what the OP appears to need out of a desktop environment, he'd be more than happy with Xfce or something and save a ton of disk space. --Mike the thing is - xfce does not necessarily use less ram. And semantic desktop can help him to easily find data points over a multitude of documents..,..
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On 02/24/2010 06:47 PM, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On 02/24/2010 06:03 PM, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Am Mittwoch, 24. Februar 2010 15:12:58 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: On 02/24/2010 03:41 PM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. Put -semantic-desktop in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge -a --depclean. That should do it. Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set? Don't know, never happened here. Just tried it, and the following apps are being recompiled right now: [ebuild R ] kde-base/pykde4-4.3.5-r1 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/gwenview-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/akonadi-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] net-wireless/kbluetooth-0.4.2 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/plasma-workspace-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/dolphin-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/kdebase-runtime-meta-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/kmail-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* [ebuild R ] kde-base/kdeplasma-addons-4.3.5 USE=-semantic-desktop* Let's see if it works. I seem to recall that I had to enable this for some updates recently. Something wouldn't compile without the USE flag being set. I don't think I need the thing either so if this works now, I may change mine and try it too. Also, I use the kde-meta package which may make a difference. KMail from KDE 4.4 needs it. KMail from KDE 4.3 doesn't. Since kde-meta would pull in Kmail, that could be the problem for me. If you folks are doing yours the manual way, you may can get away with it. No, no manual way here. I use meta packages too. Just not kde-meta; that's the includes-all-mega-duper-everything-mother-of-all-meta-packages package. Instead I use stuff like kdeartwork-meta, kdebase-meta, kdebase-runtime-meta, etc. Emerging the actual packages all by hand would be too tedious. I still need a few, but really just a few (and it's obvious which ones; for example if you have the Kate editor missing in KDE, you know you need to emerge kde-base/kate.)
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On 02/24/2010 06:43 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote: On 2/24/2010 8:41 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. Put -semantic-desktop in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge -a --depclean. That should do it. Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set? For KDE 4.4, +semantic-desktop is mandatory, though you can still turn off the services after installing them. Honestly, for what the OP appears to need out of a desktop environment, he'd be more than happy with Xfce or something and save a ton of disk space. How do you know what he needs? He probably wants KDE but without the whole Semantic Desktop thingy.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 06:43 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote: On 2/24/2010 8:41 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. Put -semantic-desktop in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge -a --depclean. That should do it. Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set? For KDE 4.4, +semantic-desktop is mandatory, though you can still turn off the services after installing them. Honestly, for what the OP appears to need out of a desktop environment, he'd be more than happy with Xfce or something and save a ton of disk space. How do you know what he needs? He probably wants KDE but without the whole Semantic Desktop thingy. he wrote: Thanks. My having research work with a few hundred thousand small files and a couple of terrabytes of storage and backups could account for the size. Some occasional sluggishness too. It makes no sense to index any of this, so ditching it feels good. and semantic-desktop was developed to help people with such workloads.
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On 02/24/2010 07:08 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 06:43 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote: On 2/24/2010 8:41 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. Put -semantic-desktop in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge -a --depclean. That should do it. Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set? For KDE 4.4, +semantic-desktop is mandatory, though you can still turn off the services after installing them. Honestly, for what the OP appears to need out of a desktop environment, he'd be more than happy with Xfce or something and save a ton of disk space. How do you know what he needs? He probably wants KDE but without the whole Semantic Desktop thingy. he wrote: Thanks. My having research work with a few hundred thousand small files and a couple of terrabytes of storage and backups could account for the size. Some occasional sluggishness too. It makes no sense to index any of this, so ditching it feels good. and semantic-desktop was developed to help people with such workloads. I don't understand your reply or what it answers.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 07:08 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 06:43 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote: On 2/24/2010 8:41 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. Put -semantic-desktop in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge -a --depclean. That should do it. Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set? For KDE 4.4, +semantic-desktop is mandatory, though you can still turn off the services after installing them. Honestly, for what the OP appears to need out of a desktop environment, he'd be more than happy with Xfce or something and save a ton of disk space. How do you know what he needs? He probably wants KDE but without the whole Semantic Desktop thingy. he wrote: Thanks. My having research work with a few hundred thousand small files and a couple of terrabytes of storage and backups could account for the size. Some occasional sluggishness too. It makes no sense to index any of this, so ditching it feels good. and semantic-desktop was developed to help people with such workloads. I don't understand your reply or what it answers. because you haven't read the thread before you wrote your email?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On 2/24/2010 11:59 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: How do you know what he needs? He probably wants KDE but without the whole Semantic Desktop thingy. Well, mostly based on him telling us what he needs, and that he doesn't really want KDE: On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. it appears that all he needs is a panel and a pager, which any decent window manager will have. Therefore, if KDE is using up more resources than he feels warranted, perhaps it's time to switch. --Mike
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On 02/24/2010 07:57 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 07:08 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 06:43 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote: On 2/24/2010 8:41 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. Put -semantic-desktop in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge -a --depclean. That should do it. Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set? For KDE 4.4, +semantic-desktop is mandatory, though you can still turn off the services after installing them. Honestly, for what the OP appears to need out of a desktop environment, he'd be more than happy with Xfce or something and save a ton of disk space. How do you know what he needs? He probably wants KDE but without the whole Semantic Desktop thingy. he wrote: Thanks. My having research work with a few hundred thousand small files and a couple of terrabytes of storage and backups could account for the size. Some occasional sluggishness too. It makes no sense to index any of this, so ditching it feels good. and semantic-desktop was developed to help people with such workloads. I don't understand your reply or what it answers. because you haven't read the thread before you wrote your email? Yeah, I'm the one who suggested the OP needs semantic desktop even though he clearly stated he doesn't: It makes no sense to index any of this, so ditching it feels good. Perhaps it's a language barrier. I'll state it in simpler words: The OP does not want to index any of his files. He wants to disable that functionality. He has not indicated that he wants to switch from KDE to something else. OK, another poster then showed up and suggested that he needs something other than KDE. That didn't make any sense since the OP is using KDE and just wants the indexing stuff gone, which is what I pointed out. Then you come along with the statement as a reply to it: and semantic-desktop was developed to help people with such workloads. which doesn't make any sense with the flow of the discussion. Semantic desktop was invented for that, but the OP clearly stated he doesn't want it. I am not the one who doesn't read the thread before writing my email.
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On 02/24/2010 08:12 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote: On 2/24/2010 11:59 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: How do you know what he needs? He probably wants KDE but without the whole Semantic Desktop thingy. Well, mostly based on him telling us what he needs, and that he doesn't really want KDE: On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. it appears that all he needs is a panel and a pager, which any decent window manager will have. Therefore, if KDE is using up more resources than he feels warranted, perhaps it's time to switch. I have semantic desktop disabled and KDE offers a hell of a lot more than just a panel and a pager.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 08:32:17PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 08:12 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote: On 2/24/2010 11:59 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: How do you know what he needs? He probably wants KDE but without the whole Semantic Desktop thingy. Well, mostly based on him telling us what he needs, and that he doesn't really want KDE: On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. it appears that all he needs is a panel and a pager, which any decent window manager will have. Therefore, if KDE is using up more resources than he feels warranted, perhaps it's time to switch. I have semantic desktop disabled and KDE offers a hell of a lot more than just a panel and a pager. You're right. KDE does offer a lot more than just a pager and a panel with semantic desktop disabled, but the OP does state that all hee needs is a panel with some favourites, and a pager for multiple desktops. Which pretty much any WM will give him. Again, no one is telling him to switch, but suggesting that based on his needs, KDE might be overkill. -- Zeerak Waseem pgp0c4cVBYKPV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: On 02/24/2010 06:43 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote: On 2/24/2010 8:41 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. Put -semantic-desktop in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge -a --depclean. That should do it. Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set? For KDE 4.4, +semantic-desktop is mandatory, though you can still turn off the services after installing them. Honestly, for what the OP appears to need out of a desktop environment, he'd be more than happy with Xfce or something and save a ton of disk space. How do you know what he needs? He probably wants KDE but without the whole Semantic Desktop thingy. Bingo! I'm OP, and kind of like the KDE look, and I'm used to where things are (except for the new K menu which I'm slowly adapting to). I know how to find things already, but indexing my gigabytes of game records is just silly. -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.dewrote: On 02/24/2010 06:43 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote: On 2/24/2010 8:41 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. Put -semantic-desktop in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge -a --depclean. That should do it. Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set? For KDE 4.4, +semantic-desktop is mandatory, though you can still turn off the services after installing them. Honestly, for what the OP appears to need out of a desktop environment, he'd be more than happy with Xfce or something and save a ton of disk space. How do you know what he needs? He probably wants KDE but without the whole Semantic Desktop thingy. Bingo! I'm OP, and kind of like the KDE look, and I'm used to where things are (except for the new K menu which I'm slowly adapting to). I know how to find things already, but indexing my gigabytes of game records is just silly. -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD Oh, and I'll add that I have no use for KMail. My mail is hosted elsewhere in Zimbra, yahoo and gmail, depending on the kind of mail, and I'm satisfied with the UIs that come with those. I access them from a large number of hosts, so don't want POP or similar access that makes local copies. -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
