Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
On Tue, Jul 23 2013, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:31 AM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Tue, Jul 23 2013, Alan McKinnon wrote: I wouldn't stress about it too much, your choice is do you want to use Gnome3 or not? And then just use whatever Gnome3 gives as *that* part you don't have a choice about. Very clearly stated. Thanks. Currently I have gnome-base/gnome-3.6.2 with consolekit and no systemd Since I wish to continue with Gnome3, I gather that at some point I will be reversing the above (consolekit out; systemd in). I was planning to wait for the devs to publish a conversion guide. As I said to András, you have the wiki: I looked at the wiki and fear I need a pre-wiki, that is the wiki seems to assume you know a fair amount about systemd, which I don't. For example, it seems that instead of /etc/init.d and /etc/runlevels we have services. After running emerge --changed-use --deep @world must I check that every entry previously in /etc/init.d now has an entry in /usr/lib/systemd/system? What do I do if there is no corresponding entry? Similarly, the wiki talks about some configuration files (e.g. /etc/hostname replacing /etc/conf.d/hostname). But what about all the other files in /etc/conf.d? Do I just copy them to /etc? In summary I would hope that we get an introductory document (a simple conversion guide) as a pre-read before the wiki. The problem is not the wiki, but my lack of the prerequisite knowledge. The fault, dear Brutus, in not in our stars, but in ourselves thanks, allan
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
On 22 July 2013 21:57, Michael Hampicke m...@hadt.biz wrote: Am 22.07.2013 17:02, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: ConsoleKit is for all practical purposes unmaintained, and all of the packages you mentioned it support systemd just fine. Emerge systemd, and purge CK from your system; I did that almost a year ago. Thanks, just purged consolekit from my system after setting USE=-consolekit and remerged the affected packages. Do you have systemd enabled? I mean USE=systemd. What is going to happen if my system does not have consolekit? -- -- Csanyi Andras (Sayusi Ando) -- http://sayusi.hu -- http://facebook.com/andras.csanyi -- Trust in God and keep your gunpowder dry! - Cromwell
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
On 23/07/13 09:11, András Csányi wrote: On 22 July 2013 21:57, Michael Hampicke m...@hadt.biz wrote: Am 22.07.2013 17:02, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: ConsoleKit is for all practical purposes unmaintained, and all of the packages you mentioned it support systemd just fine. Emerge systemd, and purge CK from your system; I did that almost a year ago. Thanks, just purged consolekit from my system after setting USE=-consolekit and remerged the affected packages. Do you have systemd enabled? I mean USE=systemd. What is going to happen if my system does not have consolekit? What do you mean? ConsoleKit is used mainly to recognize if you are a local user or not. If you don't have ConsoleKit OR systemd-logind, then nothing will recognize you are a local user and anything using PolicyKit like for example, networkmanager or your desktop's shutdown/restart functionality, or automounting by file manager, won't succeed without root password because then nothing is telling PolicyKit the user is local and fallback to root is applied. For example, if you don't have sys-auth/consolekit installed then xfce-base/xfce4-session will fallback to using `sudo` for authorization on shutdown/reboot But some functionality have no fallback like this at all, so if aiming for systemd-less and ConsoleKit-less system, you have to know what is what... I hope that clarifies instead of complicates :P
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 9:58 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: [ snip ] I have several things depending on consolekit: sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r2 pulled in by: gnome-base/gnome-control-center-3.8.3 requires sys-auth/consolekit Dependency of gnome-control-center: || ( ( app-admin/openrc-settingsd sys-auth/consolekit ) =sys-apps/systemd-31 ) gnome-base/gnome-session-3.8.2.1-r1 requires sys-auth/consolekit gnome-session: systemd? ( =sys-apps/systemd-183 ) !systemd? ( sys-auth/consolekit ) gnome-base/gnome-shell-3.8.3-r1 requires sys-auth/consolekit gnome-shell: || ( sys-auth/consolekit =sys-apps/systemd-31 ) sys-apps/accountsservice-0.6.30 requires sys-auth/consolekit accountsservice: systemd? ( =sys-apps/systemd-186 ) !systemd? ( sys-auth/consolekit ) sys-auth/pambase-20120417-r2 requires pambase: consolekit? ( =sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p2012[pam] ) systemd? ( =sys-apps/systemd-44-r1[pam] ) =sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p2012[pam] consolekit obviously doesn't depend on itself. sys-auth/polkit-0.111 requires sys-auth/consolekit[policykit] polkit: pam? ( systemd? ( sys-auth/pambase[systemd] ) !systemd? ( sys-auth/pambase[consolekit] ) ) In other words, *ALL* of these packages can use systemd instead of consolekit (and in the case of pambase, both at the same time). And, as Mark already linked[1]: ConsoleKit is currently not actively maintained. The focus has shifted to the built-in seat/user/session management of Software/systemd called systemd-loginctl, I would not really count on these packages supporting CK in the future. So, this implies if I want to keep using gnome then systemd is required, or use another desktop. That is something to think about. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
On 23/07/2013 11:31, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: So, this implies if I want to keep using gnome then systemd is required, or use another desktop. That is something to think about. Correct. I wouldn't stress about it too much, your choice is do you want to use Gnome3 or not? And then just use whatever Gnome3 gives as *that* part you don't have a choice about. It's a bit like wondering if you *have to* use Qt to get KDE. It's pointless even wondering about it. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
Am 2013-07-23 08:11, schrieb András Csányi: On 22 July 2013 21:57, Michael Hampicke m...@hadt.biz wrote: Am 22.07.2013 17:02, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: ConsoleKit is for all practical purposes unmaintained, and all of the packages you mentioned it support systemd just fine. Emerge systemd, and purge CK from your system; I did that almost a year ago. Thanks, just purged consolekit from my system after setting USE=-consolekit and remerged the affected packages. Do you have systemd enabled? I mean USE=systemd. Of course I do :-) I also use systemd as init.
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
On Tue, Jul 23 2013, Alan McKinnon wrote: I wouldn't stress about it too much, your choice is do you want to use Gnome3 or not? And then just use whatever Gnome3 gives as *that* part you don't have a choice about. Very clearly stated. Thanks. Currently I have gnome-base/gnome-3.6.2 with consolekit and no systemd Since I wish to continue with Gnome3, I gather that at some point I will be reversing the above (consolekit out; systemd in). I was planning to wait for the devs to publish a conversion guide. Is there a compelling reason to switch now? thanks, allan
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
On Monday 22 July 2013 21:57:06 Michael Hampicke wrote: Am 22.07.2013 17:02, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: ConsoleKit is for all practical purposes unmaintained, and all of the packages you mentioned it support systemd just fine. Emerge systemd, and purge CK from your system; I did that almost a year ago. Thanks, just purged consolekit from my system after setting USE=-consolekit and remerged the affected packages. KDE / systemd user here. Currently I have to put -consolekit into /etc/portage/profile/use.force to get rid of ConsoleKit because USE=+consolekit is forced for some packages in default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop/kde profile, not matter what you set in make.conf. And systemd is blocking consolekit package. I consider use.force a deviation from the official and fully supported way. Maybe Gentoo devs can resolve it? Those 3 packages are: sys-auth/pambase-20120417-r2 USE=(consolekit*) kde-base/kdm-4.10.5-r1:4 USE=(consolekit*) net-wireless/bluez-4.101-r5 USE=alsa (consolekit*)
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:31 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 9:58 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: [ snip ] I have several things depending on consolekit: sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r2 pulled in by: gnome-base/gnome-control-center-3.8.3 requires sys-auth/consolekit Dependency of gnome-control-center: || ( ( app-admin/openrc-settingsd sys-auth/consolekit ) =sys-apps/systemd-31 ) gnome-base/gnome-session-3.8.2.1-r1 requires sys-auth/consolekit gnome-session: systemd? ( =sys-apps/systemd-183 ) !systemd? ( sys-auth/consolekit ) gnome-base/gnome-shell-3.8.3-r1 requires sys-auth/consolekit gnome-shell: || ( sys-auth/consolekit =sys-apps/systemd-31 ) sys-apps/accountsservice-0.6.30 requires sys-auth/consolekit accountsservice: systemd? ( =sys-apps/systemd-186 ) !systemd? ( sys-auth/consolekit ) sys-auth/pambase-20120417-r2 requires pambase: consolekit? ( =sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p2012[pam] ) systemd? ( =sys-apps/systemd-44-r1[pam] ) =sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p2012[pam] consolekit obviously doesn't depend on itself. sys-auth/polkit-0.111 requires sys-auth/consolekit[policykit] polkit: pam? ( systemd? ( sys-auth/pambase[systemd] ) !systemd? ( sys-auth/pambase[consolekit] ) ) In other words, *ALL* of these packages can use systemd instead of consolekit (and in the case of pambase, both at the same time). And, as Mark already linked[1]: ConsoleKit is currently not actively maintained. The focus has shifted to the built-in seat/user/session management of Software/systemd called systemd-loginctl, I would not really count on these packages supporting CK in the future. So, this implies if I want to keep using gnome then systemd is required, or use another desktop. That is something to think about. Or you could, you know, try it. If you don't like it, you change DE and get back to OpenRC. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:31 AM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Tue, Jul 23 2013, Alan McKinnon wrote: I wouldn't stress about it too much, your choice is do you want to use Gnome3 or not? And then just use whatever Gnome3 gives as *that* part you don't have a choice about. Very clearly stated. Thanks. Currently I have gnome-base/gnome-3.6.2 with consolekit and no systemd Since I wish to continue with Gnome3, I gather that at some point I will be reversing the above (consolekit out; systemd in). I was planning to wait for the devs to publish a conversion guide. As I said to András, you have the wiki: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Systemd Is there a compelling reason to switch now? Well, as stated earlier, ConsoleKit is basically abandonware. Samuli mentions contingency plans for when CK is no longer an option, but all and any of those paths will be playing catching up with systemd. The standards are now being defined by systemd. And, of course, there are those of us who believe that systemd is in fact a much better option than OpenRC (or any other init system). Thanks to the efforts of people like Fabio Erculiani, right now is kinda easy to switch back and forth between systemd and OpenRC. In Sabayon (a Gentoo derivative) you can actually choose at boot time wich init to use. I would say try it now, when it is relatively easy to switch. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
[gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
Hi, gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.8.4 requires systemd sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.6cannot coexist with systemd but many packages depend on sys-auth/consolekit : emerge -vpc sys-auth/consolekit gives sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r2 pulled in by: gnome-base/gnome-session-3.8.2.1-r1 requires sys-auth/consolekit gnome-base/gnome-shell-3.8.3-r1 requires sys-auth/consolekit kde-base/kdm-4.10.5 requires sys-auth/consolekit net-misc/networkmanager-0.9.8.2-r2 requires sys-auth/consolekit net-wireless/bluez-4.101-r5 requires sys-auth/consolekit sys-apps/accountsservice-0.6.34 requires sys-auth/consolekit sys-auth/pambase-20120417-r2 requires =sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p2012[pam] sys-auth/polkit-0.111 requires sys-auth/consolekit[policykit] x11-apps/xdm-1.1.11-r3 requires sys-auth/consolekit x11-misc/slim-1.3.5-r2 requires sys-auth/consolekit So, what to do? Obviously, I don't want an unbootable system. How did you resolve this conflict? Many thanks for a hint, Helmut
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
Am Montag, 22. Juli 2013, 09:03:46 schrieb Helmut Jarausch: Hi, gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.8.4 requires systemd sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.6cannot coexist with systemd but many packages depend on sys-auth/consolekit : emerge -vpc sys-auth/consolekit gives sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r2 pulled in by: gnome-base/gnome-session-3.8.2.1-r1 requires sys-auth/consolekit gnome-base/gnome-shell-3.8.3-r1 requires sys-auth/consolekit kde-base/kdm-4.10.5 requires sys-auth/consolekit net-misc/networkmanager-0.9.8.2-r2 requires sys-auth/consolekit net-wireless/bluez-4.101-r5 requires sys-auth/consolekit sys-apps/accountsservice-0.6.34 requires sys-auth/consolekit sys-auth/pambase-20120417-r2 requires =sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p2012[pam] sys-auth/polkit-0.111 requires sys-auth/consolekit[policykit] x11-apps/xdm-1.1.11-r3 requires sys-auth/consolekit x11-misc/slim-1.3.5-r2 requires sys-auth/consolekit So, what to do? Obviously, I don't want an unbootable system. How did you resolve this conflict? Many thanks for a hint, Helmut not using gnome. Gnome decided to force systemd. -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
On 22/07/13 10:03, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, How did you resolve this conflict? Many thanks for a hint, Helmut As a maintainer of sys-auth/consolekit, and xfce-base/xfce4-meta I can assure you sys-auth/consolekit is not about to be removed and the support for systemd-logind will be appended to XFCE instead of replaced like in GNOME. I'm trying to say, either migrate to systemd or pick another desktop with saner future plans like XFCE. - Samuli
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
On Jul 22, 2013 6:34 PM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 22/07/13 10:03, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, How did you resolve this conflict? Many thanks for a hint, Helmut As a maintainer of sys-auth/consolekit, and xfce-base/xfce4-meta I can assure you sys-auth/consolekit is not about to be removed and the support for systemd-logind will be appended to XFCE instead of replaced like in GNOME. I'm trying to say, either migrate to systemd or pick another desktop with saner future plans like XFCE. - Samuli +1 for XFCE. It's more similar to Gnome2 than Gnome3 itself :-) Rgds, --
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
130722 Helmut Jarausch wrote: gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.8.4 requires systemd sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.6cannot coexist with systemd but many packages depend on sys-auth/consolekit : How did you resolve this conflict? Don't use Gnome. I've been using Fluxbox for years : it's simple, highly configurable quite adequate for everyday work ; you can use apps from KDE or Xfce, as you please. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
On 22 July 2013 15:35, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: 130722 Helmut Jarausch wrote: gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.8.4 requires systemd sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.6cannot coexist with systemd but many packages depend on sys-auth/consolekit : How did you resolve this conflict? Don't use Gnome. I've been using Fluxbox for years : it's simple, highly configurable quite adequate for everyday work ; you can use apps from KDE or Xfce, as you please. If somebody has to use gnome? For example, here is my girlfriend who has a Gentoo system with Unity on her laptop. She uses Evolution on daily basis. As I experienced not possible to install Evolution without gnome USE flag. In this case what is the proper solution? -- -- Csanyi Andras (Sayusi Ando) -- http://sayusi.hu -- http://facebook.com/andras.csanyi -- Trust in God and keep your gunpowder dry! - Cromwell
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
On 22/07/2013 15:39, András Csányi wrote: On 22 July 2013 15:35, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: 130722 Helmut Jarausch wrote: gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.8.4 requires systemd sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.6cannot coexist with systemd but many packages depend on sys-auth/consolekit : How did you resolve this conflict? Don't use Gnome. I've been using Fluxbox for years : it's simple, highly configurable quite adequate for everyday work ; you can use apps from KDE or Xfce, as you please. If somebody has to use gnome? For example, here is my girlfriend who has a Gentoo system with Unity on her laptop. She uses Evolution on daily basis. As I experienced not possible to install Evolution without gnome USE flag. In this case what is the proper solution? USE=gnome != install all of Gnome It means to compile with Gnome support. What Gnome packages does Evolution require, and do those deps pull in systemd? If no, there's no problem If yes, either live with what portage wants to do or use a different mail-client -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
ConsoleKit is for all practical purposes unmaintained, and all of the packages you mentioned it support systemd just fine. Emerge systemd, and purge CK from your system; I did that almost a year ago. Regards. On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:03 AM, Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote: Hi, gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.8.4 requires systemd sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.6cannot coexist with systemd but many packages depend on sys-auth/consolekit : emerge -vpc sys-auth/consolekit gives sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r2 pulled in by: gnome-base/gnome-session-3.8.2.1-r1 requires sys-auth/consolekit gnome-base/gnome-shell-3.8.3-r1 requires sys-auth/consolekit kde-base/kdm-4.10.5 requires sys-auth/consolekit net-misc/networkmanager-0.9.8.2-r2 requires sys-auth/consolekit net-wireless/bluez-4.101-r5 requires sys-auth/consolekit sys-apps/accountsservice-0.6.34 requires sys-auth/consolekit sys-auth/pambase-20120417-r2 requires =sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p2012[pam] sys-auth/polkit-0.111 requires sys-auth/consolekit[policykit] x11-apps/xdm-1.1.11-r3 requires sys-auth/consolekit x11-misc/slim-1.3.5-r2 requires sys-auth/consolekit So, what to do? Obviously, I don't want an unbootable system. How did you resolve this conflict? Many thanks for a hint, Helmut -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
On 22/07/13 18:02, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: ConsoleKit is for all practical purposes unmaintained, and all of the packages you mentioned it support systemd just fine. Emerge systemd, and purge CK from your system; I did that almost a year ago. It's how you look at it. I call it mature but you are right it won't get new features or such, only bugfixes to keep status quo. Some people call that stable :-) [1] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/ConsoleKit/commit/?id=af75e100dc4d4fac2e1633aa134e40e390d38918
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
yeah, because it is so great to have that monster systemd on your box. Because xml configs are awesome and binary logs even more and I always wanted an init with builtin webbrowser. Security? bah, not needed. So when do I have to install mysql to use it? How long until some crap ala windows-registry is forced down my throat? 2013/7/22 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com ConsoleKit is for all practical purposes unmaintained, and all of the packages you mentioned it support systemd just fine. Emerge systemd, and purge CK from your system; I did that almost a year ago. Regards. On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:03 AM, Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote: Hi, gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.8.4 requires systemd sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.6cannot coexist with systemd but many packages depend on sys-auth/consolekit : emerge -vpc sys-auth/consolekit gives sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r2 pulled in by: gnome-base/gnome-session-3.8.2.1-r1 requires sys-auth/consolekit gnome-base/gnome-shell-3.8.3-r1 requires sys-auth/consolekit kde-base/kdm-4.10.5 requires sys-auth/consolekit net-misc/networkmanager-0.9.8.2-r2 requires sys-auth/consolekit net-wireless/bluez-4.101-r5 requires sys-auth/consolekit sys-apps/accountsservice-0.6.34 requires sys-auth/consolekit sys-auth/pambase-20120417-r2 requires =sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p2012[pam] sys-auth/polkit-0.111 requires sys-auth/consolekit[policykit] x11-apps/xdm-1.1.11-r3 requires sys-auth/consolekit x11-misc/slim-1.3.5-r2 requires sys-auth/consolekit So, what to do? Obviously, I don't want an unbootable system. How did you resolve this conflict? Many thanks for a hint, Helmut -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 09:35:22AM -0400, Philip Webb wrote: 130722 Helmut Jarausch wrote: gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.8.4 requires systemd sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.6cannot coexist with systemd but many packages depend on sys-auth/consolekit : How did you resolve this conflict? Don't use Gnome. I've been using Fluxbox for years : it's simple, highly configurable quite adequate for everyday work ; you can use apps from KDE or Xfce, as you please. Sadly the GNU/Linux DEs are _way_ behind the rest of the software. Been using Fluxbox since 2003, and very happy. I am presently trying Xfce again for the upteenth time. ;)Especially for computers to sell people who need to be _free_ from proprietary OSes. Thanks Samuli Suominen for your work! Cheers, Bruce -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
Am 22.07.2013 17:02, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: ConsoleKit is for all practical purposes unmaintained, and all of the packages you mentioned it support systemd just fine. Emerge systemd, and purge CK from your system; I did that almost a year ago. Thanks, just purged consolekit from my system after setting USE=-consolekit and remerged the affected packages. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
maybe you should not just believe everything posted. Especially from a systemd fanboi. 2013/7/22 Michael Hampicke m...@hadt.biz Am 22.07.2013 17:02, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: ConsoleKit is for all practical purposes unmaintained, and all of the packages you mentioned it support systemd just fine. Emerge systemd, and purge CK from your system; I did that almost a year ago. Thanks, just purged consolekit from my system after setting USE=-consolekit and remerged the affected packages.
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
This would be a lot less of an issue if someone just wrote a logind ebuild (wink wink) that provides consolekit like it was originally intended. But yeah you usually stay away from unmaintained upstreams. On Jul 22, 2013 11:03 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: ConsoleKit is for all practical purposes unmaintained, and all of the packages you mentioned it support systemd just fine. Emerge systemd, and purge CK from your system; I did that almost a year ago. Regards. On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:03 AM, Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote: Hi, gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.8.4 requires systemd sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.6cannot coexist with systemd but many packages depend on sys-auth/consolekit : emerge -vpc sys-auth/consolekit gives sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r2 pulled in by: gnome-base/gnome-session-3.8.2.1-r1 requires sys-auth/consolekit gnome-base/gnome-shell-3.8.3-r1 requires sys-auth/consolekit kde-base/kdm-4.10.5 requires sys-auth/consolekit net-misc/networkmanager-0.9.8.2-r2 requires sys-auth/consolekit net-wireless/bluez-4.101-r5 requires sys-auth/consolekit sys-apps/accountsservice-0.6.34 requires sys-auth/consolekit sys-auth/pambase-20120417-r2 requires =sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p2012[pam] sys-auth/polkit-0.111 requires sys-auth/consolekit[policykit] x11-apps/xdm-1.1.11-r3 requires sys-auth/consolekit x11-misc/slim-1.3.5-r2 requires sys-auth/consolekit So, what to do? Obviously, I don't want an unbootable system. How did you resolve this conflict? Many thanks for a hint, Helmut -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
Thank you for the FUD. I was beginning to miss M$. Heres the freedesktop entry for a more authoritative statement. http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit/ On Jul 23, 2013 4:57 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: maybe you should not just believe everything posted. Especially from a systemd fanboi. 2013/7/22 Michael Hampicke m...@hadt.biz Am 22.07.2013 17:02, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: ConsoleKit is for all practical purposes unmaintained, and all of the packages you mentioned it support systemd just fine. Emerge systemd, and purge CK from your system; I did that almost a year ago. Thanks, just purged consolekit from my system after setting USE=-consolekit and remerged the affected packages.
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
Thanks for the FUD. On Jul 22, 2013 11:15 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: yeah, because it is so great to have that monster systemd on your box. Because xml configs are awesome and binary logs even more and I always wanted an init with builtin webbrowser. Security? bah, not needed. Funny. I dont remember any xml blobs on my systemd configs. And my logs are sent to syslog-ng as text, too. Id say i dont have a builton webbrowser but i start emacs as a service ;) Its fair to say you havent the slightest idea what youre talking about so heaven knows how well youre misusing classic security practices right now. So when do I have to install mysql to use it? How long until some crap ala windows-registry is forced down my throat? Since this is a gnome topic? The registry was here like more than a year now. 2013/7/22 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com ConsoleKit is for all practical purposes unmaintained, and all of the packages you mentioned it support systemd just fine. Emerge systemd, and purge CK from your system; I did that almost a year ago. Regards. On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:03 AM, Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote: Hi, gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.8.4 requires systemd sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.6cannot coexist with systemd but many packages depend on sys-auth/consolekit : emerge -vpc sys-auth/consolekit gives sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r2 pulled in by: gnome-base/gnome-session-3.8.2.1-r1 requires sys-auth/consolekit gnome-base/gnome-shell-3.8.3-r1 requires sys-auth/consolekit kde-base/kdm-4.10.5 requires sys-auth/consolekit net-misc/networkmanager-0.9.8.2-r2 requires sys-auth/consolekit net-wireless/bluez-4.101-r5 requires sys-auth/consolekit sys-apps/accountsservice-0.6.34 requires sys-auth/consolekit sys-auth/pambase-20120417-r2 requires =sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p2012[pam] sys-auth/polkit-0.111 requires sys-auth/consolekit[policykit] x11-apps/xdm-1.1.11-r3 requires sys-auth/consolekit x11-misc/slim-1.3.5-r2 requires sys-auth/consolekit So, what to do? Obviously, I don't want an unbootable system. How did you resolve this conflict? Many thanks for a hint, Helmut -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for the FUD. I was beginning to miss M$. Heres the freedesktop entry for a more authoritative statement. http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit/ On Jul 23, 2013 4:57 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: maybe you should not just believe everything posted. Especially from a systemd fanboi. 2013/7/22 Michael Hampicke m...@hadt.biz Am 22.07.2013 17:02, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: ConsoleKit is for all practical purposes unmaintained, and all of the packages you mentioned it support systemd just fine. Emerge systemd, and purge CK from your system; I did that almost a year ago. Thanks, just purged consolekit from my system after setting USE=-consolekit and remerged the affected packages. I have several things depending on consolekit: sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r2 pulled in by: gnome-base/gnome-control-center-3.8.3 requires sys-auth/consolekit gnome-base/gnome-session-3.8.2.1-r1 requires sys-auth/consolekit gnome-base/gnome-shell-3.8.3-r1 requires sys-auth/consolekit sys-apps/accountsservice-0.6.30 requires sys-auth/consolekit sys-auth/pambase-20120417-r2 requires =sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p2012[pam] sys-auth/polkit-0.111 requires sys-auth/consolekit[policykit] -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 9:58 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: [ snip ] I have several things depending on consolekit: sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r2 pulled in by: gnome-base/gnome-control-center-3.8.3 requires sys-auth/consolekit Dependency of gnome-control-center: || ( ( app-admin/openrc-settingsd sys-auth/consolekit ) =sys-apps/systemd-31 ) gnome-base/gnome-session-3.8.2.1-r1 requires sys-auth/consolekit gnome-session: systemd? ( =sys-apps/systemd-183 ) !systemd? ( sys-auth/consolekit ) gnome-base/gnome-shell-3.8.3-r1 requires sys-auth/consolekit gnome-shell: || ( sys-auth/consolekit =sys-apps/systemd-31 ) sys-apps/accountsservice-0.6.30 requires sys-auth/consolekit accountsservice: systemd? ( =sys-apps/systemd-186 ) !systemd? ( sys-auth/consolekit ) sys-auth/pambase-20120417-r2 requires pambase: consolekit? ( =sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p2012[pam] ) systemd? ( =sys-apps/systemd-44-r1[pam] ) =sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p2012[pam] consolekit obviously doesn't depend on itself. sys-auth/polkit-0.111 requires sys-auth/consolekit[policykit] polkit: pam? ( systemd? ( sys-auth/pambase[systemd] ) !systemd? ( sys-auth/pambase[consolekit] ) ) In other words, *ALL* of these packages can use systemd instead of consolekit (and in the case of pambase, both at the same time). And, as Mark already linked[1]: ConsoleKit is currently not actively maintained. The focus has shifted to the built-in seat/user/session management of Software/systemd called systemd-loginctl, I would not really count on these packages supporting CK in the future. Regards. [1] http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit/ -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
On Mon, 2013-07-22 at 17:14 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: yeah, because it is so great to have that monster systemd on your box. Because xml configs are awesome and binary logs even more and I always wanted an init with builtin webbrowser. Security? bah, not needed. So when do I have to install mysql to use it? How long until some crap ala windows-registry is forced down my throat? Nobody is forcing you to use anything. These are all upstream (GNOME, freedestkop) decisions, you can't expect them to maintain code that doesn't follow their technical direction. If you don't like it you can fork or go use/contribute to other projects all you want. This is the power of open source, no one can take choice away from you, they can just make your choice a lot harder to realize. --Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?
On 23/07/13 00:46, Mark David Dumlao wrote: This would be a lot less of an issue if someone just wrote a logind ebuild (wink wink) that provides consolekit like it was originally intended. not possible, logind since systemd = 205 requires systemd and won't work on openrc, upstart, and such as in, the idea of using logind outside of systemd is a dead end so keeping ConsoleKit in portage for long as it works for long as we need openrc for Linux based systems and when it no longer works, the contingency plan is to ship vendor based polkit files that possibly either restore 'plugdev' group or provide similar groups to ArchLinux like 'network', 'storage', 'power' to split up the old 'plugdev' - Samuli
