Re: [gentoo-user] What xorg pkgs needed for X to work

2010-01-15 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 15 January 2010 20:43:32 Harry Putnam wrote:
 [Please excuse if this is a double whammy... it appears not to have
 made it to the mail/news server]
 
 Sorry for the awkwardly phrased subject... but couldn't think of
 anything better.
 
 I'm rebuilding my home desktop with a full reinstall
 
 So far haven't gotten to getting X working... but did notice that when
 I test what all gets installed with:
 
   emerge -vp xfce4-meta
 
 I notice that xorg-x11 is not amongst the... dependencies.
 
 xorg-server is absent as well, but I seem to recall a more basic xorg
 pkgs being involved.  Maybe something like xorg-base... or whatever.
 
 Apparently something has happened with naming of pkgs or something,
 that I haven't kept up with.
 
 But can a user really get use out of xfce4-meta with no xorg-server?

Yes.

This is how X11 works. xfce does not need a full blown xserver on the *local* 
machine, it simply needs X libs to function. The X libs in turn will talk to 
the xserver, which does not have to be on the local machine.

Parallel situation: You do not need X and a browser on a machine running a web 
server, as the pages served are not necessarily viewed on the machine hosting 
apache.

To get X you can either;

merge xorg-x11 (this is the meta package you didn't know the name of) or
put X in USE

Note carefully that this is not a silly situation, it works this way by 
design.

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com



Re: [gentoo-user] What xorg pkgs needed for X to work

2010-01-15 Thread Albert W. Hopkins
On Fri, 2010-01-15 at 12:03 -0600, Harry Putnam wrote:
 Sorry for the awkwardly phrased subject... but couldn't think of
 anything better.
 
 I'm rebuilding my home desktop with a full reinstall
 
 So far haven't gotten to getting X working... but did notice that when
 I test what all gets installed with:
 
   emerge -vp xfce4-meta
 
 I notice that xorg-x11 is not amongst the... dependencies. 
 
 xorg-server is absent as well, but I seem to recall a more basic xorg
 pkgs being involved.  Maybe something like xorg-base... or whatever.
 
 Apparently something has happened with naming of pkgs or something,
 that I haven't kept up with.
 
 But can a user really get use out of xfce4-meta with no xorg-server?

Yes, in same way a user can can get use out of Firefox without
installing Apache ;-).  X11 is client/server based.  Client(s) and
server need not exist on the same machine, and a server can serve
multiple distributed clients simultaneously without any local clients.

You probably want:

$ # set up VIDEO_CARDS and INPUT_DEVICES as appropriate
$ emerge -vp xfce4-meta xorg-server