Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4 multi-monitor + fullscreen applications
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:41:25PM +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: Am 17.11.2010 23:26, schrieb Alan McKinnon: Apparently, though unproven, at 00:08 on Thursday 18 November 2010, Florian Philipp did opine thusly: Hi list! Today, KDE nearly killed a presentation I held and now I want to understand what's going on: Following setup: One laptop, two outputs (internal display + projector). Now I configure KDE to expand the desktop on both (instead of simple cloning). So far, so good. For anyone to help at all, we'll need to know your hardware and video drivers, plus versions in use of X.org and it's drivers, plus relevant config stuff. Everything else is highly configurable and subject to the whim of driver writers and the user. And there's always nVidia's stance to be taken into account as well Ah, right, forgot about that. Intel GMA HD graphics (i915 driver), x11-base/xorg-server-1.8.2 (USE=udev -hal) and x11-base/xorg-drivers-1.8 No xorg.conf. Tried it with composite effects off and on. KDE is on version 4.4.5 and some packages 4.4.7 (current stable). First question: How does KDE choose on which output the standard desktop ends up and which gets the second set of desktop background + plasma widgets? It seems like the one with the higher resolution is standard and on a draw, it is the right-most. Is that correct? Can it be configured? Now that I have both desktops, I open Acroread or Okular and start the fullscreen/presentation mode. What happens is that the presentation is deterministically opened on one of the displays. What I don't understand is how it chooses which one it uses? xrandr 1.3 has a new option to say which output should be 'primary' you can try something like xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 1024x768 --pos 0x0 --primary --output VGA1 --mode 1024x768 --righ-of LVDS1 However IIRC kde used to ignore which display was primary (reported as xinerama screen 0) and somehow decided on its own order... Here okular works correclty (well, at least Current screen and Screen XX used to work, don't remember for Default screen and can't test right now...), but right now I'm using fluxbox as window manager and not kwin, but I it would be weird if it actually made things break.. ;) yoyo It doesn't depend on the placement of the window (although other applications like Flash in Firefox, MPlayer, Kaffeine and Gwenview do). It doesn't always open on the secondary or standard desktop (as specified above). It rather seems like it always opens on the one with the higher resolution and if both are equal, it opens on the left-most. So, what happened when I tried to hold my presentation? The projector had a low resolution (1024x768) and therefore neither Acroread nor Okular showed on fullscreen on the projector. None of my previous tests showed that problem since I used two displays with equal resolution. Great fun! In the end, I cloned the output and thereby gave Okular no other choice. (Lucky me that I didn't any additional notes or anything on the other display ...) What can I do to influence this behavior? Edit: I just noticed that both applications have settings for this. However, they are ignored and the setting in Acroread is even reset to Current display each time I close the settings dialog! What is going on here? Thanks in advance! Florian Philipp
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4 multi-monitor + fullscreen applications
- Original Message From: YoYo Siska y...@gl.ksp.sk To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 12:41:03 PM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4 multi-monitor + fullscreen applications On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:41:25PM +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: Am 17.11.2010 23:26, schrieb Alan McKinnon: Apparently, though unproven, at 00:08 on Thursday 18 November 2010, Florian Philipp did opine thusly: Hi list! Today, KDE nearly killed a presentation I held and now I want to understand what's going on: Following setup: One laptop, two outputs (internal display + projector). Now I configure KDE to expand the desktop on both (instead of simple cloning). So far, so good. For anyone to help at all, we'll need to know your hardware and video drivers, plus versions in use of X.org and it's drivers, plus relevant config stuff. Everything else is highly configurable and subject to the whim of driver writers and the user. And there's always nVidia's stance to be taken into account as well Ah, right, forgot about that. Intel GMA HD graphics (i915 driver), x11-base/xorg-server-1.8.2 (USE=udev -hal) and x11-base/xorg-drivers-1.8 No xorg.conf. Tried it with composite effects off and on. KDE is on version 4.4.5 and some packages 4.4.7 (current stable). First question: How does KDE choose on which output the standard desktop ends up and which gets the second set of desktop background + plasma widgets? It seems like the one with the higher resolution is standard and on a draw, it is the right-most. Is that correct? Can it be configured? Now that I have both desktops, I open Acroread or Okular and start the fullscreen/presentation mode. What happens is that the presentation is deterministically opened on one of the displays. What I don't understand is how it chooses which one it uses? xrandr 1.3 has a new option to say which output should be 'primary' you can try something like xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 1024x768 --pos 0x0 --primary --output VGA1 --mode 1024x768 --righ-of LVDS1 However IIRC kde used to ignore which display was primary (reported as xinerama screen 0) and somehow decided on its own order... Here okular works correclty (well, at least Current screen and Screen XX used to work, don't remember for Default screen and can't test right now...), but right now I'm using fluxbox as window manager and not kwin, but I it would be weird if it actually made things break.. ;) snip You may be interested in this post by Aaron Seigo: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2010/11/multihead-plasma-desktop-needs-you.html Also, check the KDE System Settings as I mentioned in my first post on this thread. I don't have an Xorg config file, and yet I can do multiple displays through KDE; I also don't configure xRandr. This is all independent of any video card; though, as A. Seigo points out there are some issues still being fixed. Not sure if you're trying to run multi-head or simply multi-screen; though I think multi-screen since you don't have an xorg.conf file too. Please read Aaron's post. Ben
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4 multi-monitor + fullscreen applications
Apparently, though unproven, at 00:08 on Thursday 18 November 2010, Florian Philipp did opine thusly: Hi list! Today, KDE nearly killed a presentation I held and now I want to understand what's going on: Following setup: One laptop, two outputs (internal display + projector). Now I configure KDE to expand the desktop on both (instead of simple cloning). So far, so good. For anyone to help at all, we'll need to know your hardware and video drivers, plus versions in use of X.org and it's drivers, plus relevant config stuff. Everything else is highly configurable and subject to the whim of driver writers and the user. And there's always nVidia's stance to be taken into account as well First question: How does KDE choose on which output the standard desktop ends up and which gets the second set of desktop background + plasma widgets? It seems like the one with the higher resolution is standard and on a draw, it is the right-most. Is that correct? Can it be configured? Now that I have both desktops, I open Acroread or Okular and start the fullscreen/presentation mode. What happens is that the presentation is deterministically opened on one of the displays. What I don't understand is how it chooses which one it uses? It doesn't depend on the placement of the window (although other applications like Flash in Firefox, MPlayer, Kaffeine and Gwenview do). It doesn't always open on the secondary or standard desktop (as specified above). It rather seems like it always opens on the one with the higher resolution and if both are equal, it opens on the left-most. So, what happened when I tried to hold my presentation? The projector had a low resolution (1024x768) and therefore neither Acroread nor Okular showed on fullscreen on the projector. None of my previous tests showed that problem since I used two displays with equal resolution. Great fun! In the end, I cloned the output and thereby gave Okular no other choice. (Lucky me that I didn't any additional notes or anything on the other display ...) What can I do to influence this behavior? Edit: I just noticed that both applications have settings for this. However, they are ignored and the setting in Acroread is even reset to Current display each time I close the settings dialog! What is going on here? Thanks in advance! Florian Philipp -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4 multi-monitor + fullscreen applications
Am 17.11.2010 23:26, schrieb Alan McKinnon: Apparently, though unproven, at 00:08 on Thursday 18 November 2010, Florian Philipp did opine thusly: Hi list! Today, KDE nearly killed a presentation I held and now I want to understand what's going on: Following setup: One laptop, two outputs (internal display + projector). Now I configure KDE to expand the desktop on both (instead of simple cloning). So far, so good. For anyone to help at all, we'll need to know your hardware and video drivers, plus versions in use of X.org and it's drivers, plus relevant config stuff. Everything else is highly configurable and subject to the whim of driver writers and the user. And there's always nVidia's stance to be taken into account as well Ah, right, forgot about that. Intel GMA HD graphics (i915 driver), x11-base/xorg-server-1.8.2 (USE=udev -hal) and x11-base/xorg-drivers-1.8 No xorg.conf. Tried it with composite effects off and on. KDE is on version 4.4.5 and some packages 4.4.7 (current stable). First question: How does KDE choose on which output the standard desktop ends up and which gets the second set of desktop background + plasma widgets? It seems like the one with the higher resolution is standard and on a draw, it is the right-most. Is that correct? Can it be configured? Now that I have both desktops, I open Acroread or Okular and start the fullscreen/presentation mode. What happens is that the presentation is deterministically opened on one of the displays. What I don't understand is how it chooses which one it uses? It doesn't depend on the placement of the window (although other applications like Flash in Firefox, MPlayer, Kaffeine and Gwenview do). It doesn't always open on the secondary or standard desktop (as specified above). It rather seems like it always opens on the one with the higher resolution and if both are equal, it opens on the left-most. So, what happened when I tried to hold my presentation? The projector had a low resolution (1024x768) and therefore neither Acroread nor Okular showed on fullscreen on the projector. None of my previous tests showed that problem since I used two displays with equal resolution. Great fun! In the end, I cloned the output and thereby gave Okular no other choice. (Lucky me that I didn't any additional notes or anything on the other display ...) What can I do to influence this behavior? Edit: I just noticed that both applications have settings for this. However, they are ignored and the setting in Acroread is even reset to Current display each time I close the settings dialog! What is going on here? Thanks in advance! Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4 multi-monitor + fullscreen applications
- Original Message From: Florian Philipp li...@f_philipp.fastmail.net To: Gentoo User List gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 5:08:33 PM Subject: [gentoo-user] KDE-4 multi-monitor + fullscreen applications Hi list! Today, KDE nearly killed a presentation I held and now I want to understand what's going on: Following setup: One laptop, two outputs (internal display + projector). Now I configure KDE to expand the desktop on both (instead of simple cloning). So far, so good. First question: How does KDE choose on which output the standard desktop ends up and which gets the second set of desktop background + plasma widgets? It seems like the one with the higher resolution is standard and on a draw, it is the right-most. Is that correct? Can it be configured? I haven't played with the KDE4 mult-monitor mode enough yet; but I would think it would be in the Display settings section of the System Settings for KDE4. Reading over: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66t=82510 http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66t=25765 It seems Kephal is the culprit. Quite a bit was fixed for 4.2, and even more for 4.3, 4.4, and 4.5. So you may want to see if it's a bug related to something pre-4.5. Looks like 4.5 is in testing: http://gentoo-portage.com/kde-base/kde-meta Just a thought; wish I could be more helpful. Ben
