Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 query
Am Donnerstag 17 September 2009 00:48:04 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: Really, I am sick of people talking shit about KDE. Am I harsh? Yes, I am. A lot of times. Because I am sick of 'I am too cool to read documentation'. I am sick of 'I am too cool to use bugzilla' and I am sick of 'I am too cool to think for a second' and especially I am sick of 'I am too cool to google for a moment'. Full ACK! Bye... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 query
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: Konsole 4.3.1 -- very much dumbed down from 3.5.10 ; big problem: it seems impossible to predetermine window size; result: back to 3.5.10 be prepared to use Xterm Xfce's Terminal. It saves its size properly for me. For specifying a size (not restoring the last-used size), in KDE you can specify extensive window placement and geometry profiles for windows by right-clicking on the titlebar and choosing Configure window behavior I have no idea about Fluxbox. Okular 4.3.1 -- usable, but no noticeable improvement on Kpdf 3.5.10 . Okular does so much more than Kpdf it's not even funny. http://okular.kde.org/formats.php Konqueror 4.3.1 -- no way to import bookmarks, Completely false. In fact, Konqueror has more import options than any other browser that I've ever seen! There are extensive Import and Export menus in the bookmarks editor. Kmahjongg 4.3.1 -- my quick relax with my own layout personal rules (grin); no problem with my layout (simply copy it over), but they've abolished the grid of removed tiles ! no, when i'm relaxing between more important things, I don't want to exercise my memory on such trivia; result: back to 3.5.10 . According to a single google search for kmahjongg removed tiles, the primary author of Kmahjongg stated he removed that feature in 2006. I guess you've just been using the old version the whole time and sounds like you will continue to. :) Gwenview 4.3.1 -- yes, an improvement on the old independent Gwenview, esp the tree menu, but also rendering of images + thumbnails. I don't use it, but it seems to do its job. I prefer Geeqie because I am more used to its keyboard navigation. Krusader 2.0.0 -- my choice for heavy lifting: no noticeable change. I've never tried it. I won't comment on the aesthetics of the brave new KDE ... It's different, but I like it. It has grown on me over time. KDE3 looks plain and old-fashioned now when I go back and see it. Does anyone know how to preset Konsole 4 window sizes for different uses ? deja vu :)
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 query
On Donnerstag 17 September 2009, Stroller wrote: On 16 Sep 2009, at 23:00, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: ... Okular 4.3.1 -- usable, but no noticeable improvement on Kpdf 3.5.10 . that is a joke, right? You would be an asset to this list, were you not CONSTANTLY so abrasive. I see that Sebastian Beßler has already made similar comments you have not taken them onboard, however I had already thought to make my reply upon seeing your post. Sebastian is not alone in thinking your comments unpleasant. Stroller. see: 200909170048.04542.volkerar...@googlemail.com and Dirk's reply.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 query
On Donnerstag 17 September 2009, Philip Webb wrote: 090917 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 16 September 2009, Philip Webb wrote: Faced with the KDE 4 steamroller rumbling shuddering ever closer, I've been trying out the 4.3.1 versions of apps I frequently use. I have not installed the desktop management part of KDE, only the apps themselves whatever deps they require: Fluxbox is my desktop manager of choice. fluxbox is not a manager. It is merely a window manager. It manages my desktop much better than KDE 4.2.1 did ... no, it does not manage your desktop. It only manages windows. It is a window manager. Not a desktop. You are a native speaker, aren't you? KDE can use all ICCCM adhering WM. How can KDE use WM ? -- your words make no sense in English. the WM is just a part that can be replaced like any other one. Just google for 'KDEWM' or have a look into system-settings, standard components. Second row from above.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 query
090917 Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: Konsole 4.3.1 -- it seems impossible to predetermine window size; It saves its size properly for me. For specifying a size (not restoring the last-used size), in KDE you can specify extensive window placement and geometry profiles for windows by right-clicking on the titlebar and choosing Configure window behavior I have no idea about Fluxbox. That doesn't work in Fluxbox. It will accept 'konsole --geometry ... ', but that has no effect on window size; you can set a single size by hand in konsolerc , but there's no apparent way to do that for profiles. The big attraction of Konsole 3 is that it has so many options. For me, it's a show-stopper if it isn't fixed in 4.4.1 , I'll use Xterm. Okular 4.3.1 -- usable, but no noticeable improvement on Kpdf 3.5.10 . Okular does so much more than Kpdf it's not even funny. http://okular.kde.org/formats.php Yes, another day's use suggests it renders PDFs better than Kpdf (that's what I use it for) it does show JPGs properly too. That complaint is withdrawn (tho' there's an ugly wide bar on the left side). Konqueror 4.3.1 -- no way to import bookmarks, Konqueror has more import options than any other browser I've ever seen! There are extensive Import and Export menus in the bookmarks editor. It appears you have to install another pkg to get this -- it's not a Gentoo dependency -- , but manually copying them works too. I rarely use Konqueror, but it's useful occasionally. Kmahjongg 4.3.1 -- they've abolished the grid of removed tiles ! According to a single google search for kmahjongg removed tiles, the primary author of Kmahjongg stated he removed that feature in 2006. No, it's present in 3.5.10 , which I'm using (I just played a game with it). It's another feature which has been dropped in KDE 4 , like setting the size of a Konsole window when you open it (above). Another show-stopper, but perhaps the gods want me to get out more (smile). Gwenview 4.3.1 -- yes, an improvement on the old independent Gwenview, esp the tree menu, but also rendering of images + thumbnails. I don't use it, but it seems to do its job. I prefer Geeqie because I am more used to its keyboard navigation. Gwenview 4 is a noticeable improvement. Krusader 2.0.0 -- my choice for heavy lifting: no noticeable change. I've never tried it. It's very powerful. The new version seems to be the same but for KDE 4 . I'm happy to use the CLI for everyday file management. I won't comment on the aesthetics of the brave new KDE ... It's different, but I like it. It has grown on me over time. KDE3 looks plain and old-fashioned now when I go back and see it. Like another respondent (and many others), I prefer plain old-fashioned. We have street cars (trams) running by the end of my street, as they have since 1892, which is why we have healthy neighbourhoods here, but go-ahead modern cities like NY London wiped them out long ago (grin). Thanks for the various responses, incl the inadvertently amusing ones. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 query
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote:
090917 Paul Hartman wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote:
Konsole 4.3.1 -- it seems impossible to predetermine window size;
It saves its size properly for me.
For specifying a size (not restoring the last-used size),
in KDE you can specify extensive window placement and geometry profiles
for windows by right-clicking on the titlebar
and choosing Configure window behavior
I have no idea about Fluxbox.
That doesn't work in Fluxbox. It will accept 'konsole --geometry ... ',
but that has no effect on window size; you can set a single size by hand
in konsolerc , but there's no apparent way to do that for profiles.
The big attraction of Konsole 3 is that it has so many options.
For me, it's a show-stopper if it isn't fixed in 4.4.1 , I'll use Xterm.
You're right, I just tried and I can get the window size and position
with xterm -geometry 80x25-50+50 (for example) but --geometry
80x25-50+50 has no effect at all on Konsole. Looks like it may be a
problem with more than just Konsole:
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165355
Okular 4.3.1 -- usable, but no noticeable improvement on Kpdf 3.5.10 .
Okular does so much more than Kpdf it's not even funny.
http://okular.kde.org/formats.php
Yes, another day's use suggests it renders PDFs better than Kpdf
(that's what I use it for) it does show JPGs properly too.
That complaint is withdrawn (tho' there's an ugly wide bar on the left side).
I think it has better support for things like PDF forms as well,
though I usually still have to use the real Adobe reader for those.
Konqueror 4.3.1 -- no way to import bookmarks,
Konqueror has more import options than any other browser I've ever seen!
There are extensive Import and Export menus in the bookmarks editor.
It appears you have to install another pkg to get this
-- it's not a Gentoo dependency -- , but manually copying them works too.
I rarely use Konqueror, but it's useful occasionally.
It is a dependency on my system. Unless you have specifically disabled
the bookmarks USE flag, in which case the problem would be one of
your own making. :)
From the konqueror-4.3.1.ebuild:
IUSE=+auth +bookmarks debug +handbook thumbnail
RDEPEND=${DEPEND}
=kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-${PV}:${SLOT}[kdeprefix=]
=kde-base/keditfiletype-${PV}:${SLOT}[kdeprefix=]
=kde-base/kfind-${PV}:${SLOT}[kdeprefix=]
=kde-base/kfmclient-${PV}:${SLOT}[kdeprefix=]
=kde-base/kurifilter-plugins-${PV}:${SLOT}[kdeprefix=]
auth? ( =kde-base/kpasswdserver-${PV}:${SLOT}[kdeprefix=] )
bookmarks? ( =kde-base/keditbookmarks-${PV}:${SLOT}[kdeprefix=] )
Kmahjongg 4.3.1 -- they've abolished the grid of removed tiles !
According to a single google search for kmahjongg removed tiles,
the primary author of Kmahjongg stated he removed that feature in 2006.
No, it's present in 3.5.10 , which I'm using (I just played a game with it).
It's another feature which has been dropped in KDE 4 ,
like setting the size of a Konsole window when you open it (above).
Another show-stopper, but perhaps the gods want me to get out more (smile).
Right, but in 2006 he had already moved on to KDE4 development and
removed the feature you are missing from the current version
(4.something). 3.5.10 may be the latest KDE3 version, but it's not
The current version. :)
Gwenview 4.3.1 -- yes, an improvement on the old independent Gwenview,
esp the tree menu, but also rendering of images + thumbnails.
I don't use it, but it seems to do its job.
I prefer Geeqie because I am more used to its keyboard navigation.
Gwenview 4 is a noticeable improvement.
My all-time favorite image viewer was PMView on OS/2, but there's no
Linux version... :(
Krusader 2.0.0 -- my choice for heavy lifting: no noticeable change.
I've never tried it.
It's very powerful. The new version seems to be the same but for KDE 4 .
I'm happy to use the CLI for everyday file management.
I'll give it a try. I normally use midnight commander but GUI can be
more convenient for some tasks.
I won't comment on the aesthetics of the brave new KDE ...
It's different, but I like it. It has grown on me over time.
KDE3 looks plain and old-fashioned now when I go back and see it.
Like another respondent (and many others), I prefer plain old-fashioned.
We have street cars (trams) running by the end of my street,
as they have since 1892, which is why we have healthy neighbourhoods here,
but go-ahead modern cities like NY London wiped them out long ago (grin).
Well, since you're not using KDE desktop environment it doesn't affect
you anyway. :)
But in KDE4 there are still the KDE3-style window decorations such as
Keramik, Quartz and Plastik, and the same old-fashioned widget styles
like CDE and Motif. Someone can make KDE4 look very similar to KDE3 if
they want to.
I'm personally using QtCurve for KDE
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 query
090917 Paul Hartman wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: Konsole 4.3.1 -- it seems impossible to predetermine window size; It accepts 'konsole --geometry ... ', but has no effect on window size Looks like it may be a problem with more than just Konsole: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165355 Indeed ! -- so there's hope it wb fixed in a future KDE release. Konqueror 4.3.1 -- no way to import bookmarks, It appears you have to install another pkg to get this It is a dependency unless you specifically disabled the bookmarks USE flag Well, my USE list is USE=-* accessibility apm bitmap-fonts bonobo bzip2 cdr crypt cups curl dbus foomaticdb gcj gdbm gif gnutls gpm gstreamer gtk gtk2 hal handbook imagemagick imlib java javascript jpeg kde lcms libwww lm_sensors mime motif mpeg multilib ncurses nptl nptlonly nsplugin nvidia opengl pcre pdf perl plotutils png pop python qt3 qt3support qt4 readline scanner session slang sqlite ssl svg threads tiff tk toolbar truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts unicode usb vim-syntax win32codecs X xcb xml xorg xv zlib so yes, anything not explicitly listed is disabled, as I prefer. So that is fixable, but not worth my time in this particular case. BTW the presence of 'gstreamer' in the list is not my choosing: the Gentoo KDE devs -- who are badly overworked -- have not fixed the bug which requires installation of sound pkgs to get KDE 4 to install (Gentoo bug 265864). in KDE4 there are still the KDE3-style window decorations I used the KDE 3 desktop from early 2005 till early 2009 , but confronted with 4.2.1 checked out alternatives found Fluxbox 1.1.1 slightly better for what I do than KDE 3.5.10 : Fluxbox is flexible enough, very fast very easy to configure. My computing is based on desktops with apps running full-screen mostly, so I have no need for plasmoids, widgets, dancing cubes the rest of it. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 query
On Mittwoch 16 September 2009, Philip Webb wrote: Faced with the KDE 4 steamroller rumbling shuddering ever closer, I've been trying out the 4.3.1 versions of apps I frequently use. I have not installed the desktop management part of KDE, only the apps themselves whatever deps they require: Fluxbox is my desktop manager of choice. fluxbox is not a manager. It is merely a window manager. And you can continue to use it if you want to. KDE can use all ICCCM adhering WM. Konsole 4.3.1 -- very much dumbed down from 3.5.10 ; big problem: it seems impossible to predetermine window size; result: back to 3.5.10 be prepared to use Xterm Xfce's Terminal. strange, every konsole window I open has the same size. Also, do you have tried the geometry setting? right click on title, window specific settings, create profil, put size into profile done. Okular 4.3.1 -- usable, but no noticeable improvement on Kpdf 3.5.10 . that is a joke, right? Konqueror 4.3.1 -- no way to import bookmarks, but they are easily copied from ~/.kde3.5 , as are style sheets; wrong. bookmark editor: 'File' 'import', 'import kde 3 bookmarks'. Wow, that was hard to find. Took me less than 5 seconds. Of course, a simple copy works just as fine. not explored in any depth, but an impression of dumbing down too (this is for the I/net, not local file management); I don't use it much, prefering Firefox for everyday browsing. ??? I won't comment on the aesthetics of the brave new KDE ... Does anyone know how to preset Konsole 4 window sizes for different uses ? see above, right click on title bar?
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 query
Volker Armin Hemmann schrieb: Wow, that was hard to find. Took me less than 5 seconds. It is nice to hear again that we are all numskulls and you are superior. Your opinion is always right and nearly every statement from others are wrong in your little world. Please let us partitipate in the light that shines from your ass. What you have to say is often right but the way you say it is plain wrong and asks for comments as those above. Greetings Sebastian
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 query
On Donnerstag 17 September 2009, Sebastian Beßler wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann schrieb: Wow, that was hard to find. Took me less than 5 seconds. It is nice to hear again that we are all numskulls and you are superior. Your opinion is always right and nearly every statement from others are wrong in your little world. Please let us partitipate in the light that shines from your ass. What you have to say is often right but the way you say it is plain wrong and asks for comments as those above. Greetings Sebastian if somebody says something absolute like 'no way to do something' and the way to do is plain obvious (just open the - gasp - bookmark editor) then calling out them is the right thing to do. If you say something absolute like 'no way' or 'never' you should really have looked around. And not give up because there is no big, fat, red button on the middle of the display.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 query
On Donnerstag 17 September 2009, Sebastian Beßler wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann schrieb: Wow, that was hard to find. Took me less than 5 seconds. It is nice to hear again that we are all numskulls and you are superior. Your opinion is always right and nearly every statement from others are wrong in your little world. Please let us partitipate in the light that shines from your ass. What you have to say is often right but the way you say it is plain wrong and asks for comments as those above. Greetings Sebastian oh and ever heard of 'google' ? import kde3 bookmarks and the third hit is describing it in detail. Really, I am sick of people talking shit about KDE. Am I harsh? Yes, I am. A lot of times. Because I am sick of 'I am too cool to read documentation'. I am sick of 'I am too cool to use bugzilla' and I am sick of 'I am too cool to think for a second' and especially I am sick of 'I am too cool to google for a moment'.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 query
On 16 Sep 2009, at 23:00, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: ... Okular 4.3.1 -- usable, but no noticeable improvement on Kpdf 3.5.10 . that is a joke, right? You would be an asset to this list, were you not CONSTANTLY so abrasive. I see that Sebastian Beßler has already made similar comments you have not taken them onboard, however I had already thought to make my reply upon seeing your post. Sebastian is not alone in thinking your comments unpleasant. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 query
090917 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 16 September 2009, Philip Webb wrote: Faced with the KDE 4 steamroller rumbling shuddering ever closer, I've been trying out the 4.3.1 versions of apps I frequently use. I have not installed the desktop management part of KDE, only the apps themselves whatever deps they require: Fluxbox is my desktop manager of choice. fluxbox is not a manager. It is merely a window manager. It manages my desktop much better than KDE 4.2.1 did ... KDE can use all ICCCM adhering WM. How can KDE use WM ? -- your words make no sense in English. Konsole 4.3.1 -- very much dumbed down from 3.5.10 ; big problem: it seems impossible to predetermine window size; result: back to 3.5.10 be prepared to use Xterm Xfce's Terminal. strange, every konsole window I open has the same size. Exactly: I want different sizes for different uses. Xterm does it, Terminal does it, Konsole 3.5.10 did it via command flags, but these have disappeared in Konsole 4.3.1 (try 'konsole --help'). Also, do you have tried the geometry setting? right click on title, window specific settings, create profil, put size into profile done. When I right-click on the titlebar, I get a Fluxbox list of options, none of which is window-specific nor relates to profil(e)s. Of course, I've tried editing profiles, but it has no effect on size; I also checked Google for 'resizing konsole' similar. Okular 4.3.1 -- usable, but no noticeable improvement on Kpdf 3.5.10 . that is a joke, right? No, it's very serious: KDE 4 is jazzed up visually dumbed down in options. Okular is as described when compared with Kpdf 3 . Konqueror 4.3.1 -- no way to import bookmarks, but they are easily copied from ~/.kde3.5 , as are style sheets; wrong. bookmark editor: 'File' 'import', 'import kde 3 bookmarks'. What is bookmark editor ? -- it's not a dependency of Konqueror 4 . My problem -- unlike other people's -- with your responses is that you are typically inaccurate both in content in English. You are usually amusing, but I suspect that is not your intention. I am genuinely disappointed by KDE 4.3.1 , which I had hoped would be a real step forward given recent KDE PR announcements. Roughly 50 % options in KDE 3 have not been retained in KDE 4 by now it's not simply that they haven't got around to implementing them: it's clear they don't intend to are merely concentrating on eye-candy. It's utter madness, but with free software there are alternatives, which I have started to adopt (Fluxbox, Thunar, Terminal). Does anyone have useful comments, even you can't do that any more ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 query
Am Donnerstag, 17. September 2009 schrieb Philip Webb: Okular 4.3.1 -- usable, but no noticeable improvement on Kpdf 3.5.10 . that is a joke, right? No, it's very serious: KDE 4 is jazzed up visually dumbed down in options. I concur. The only (and still vividly living) hope is that it still evolves. Perhaps, 4.5 will be as good as 3.5 was back at its introduction. And I intend to keep 3.5 running for as long as possible. Okular is as described when compared with Kpdf 3 . The only thing I really don’t like about Okular is its icon bar on the left. Even though the icons can be shrinked and the text hidden, that bar is still a waste of space. On the bright side, Okular’s rendering is better than KPDF’s (for instance antialiasing), and it supports other document types like CDR. wrong. bookmark editor: 'File' 'import', 'import kde 3 bookmarks'. What is bookmark editor ? The one you get when you open Konqueror’s bookmarks menu and select Edit (or Manage, whatever it’s called in the English localisation) bookmarks. it's not a dependency of Konqueror 4 . fr...@eisen $ equery d keditbookmarks [ Searching for packages depending on keditbookmarks... ] kde-base/kdebase-meta-4.3.1 (=kde-base/keditbookmarks-4.3.1:4.3[kdeprefix=]) It's utter madness, but with free software there are alternatives, which I have started to adopt (Fluxbox, Thunar, Terminal). Unfortunately, Thunar is as simple as Nautilus (or even more basic). They don’t nearly come close to Konqueror 3. Nothing else does (of course apart from Commander-style file managers like Krusader). And I don’t mean functionality only, but also Qt’s efficient use of screen space, compared to GTK. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' Kids in the back seat cause accidents. Accidents in the backseat cause kids. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
