Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: development questions

2003-06-18 Thread Tino Schwarze
On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 08:42:00PM -0500, Michael J. Hammel wrote: As already have been pointed out, lot of talk has been going about 2.0 being the great change, and something else being in the middle. So IMHO going for 2.0 directly would cause a bit of confusion, so I do not see any real

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Setting Up Wilber

2003-06-18 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:49:44 +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 10:24:51PM +0200, Raphaël Quinet wrote: I hope that the number of Netscape 4 users has decreased since then, but it is likely that there are still more than a couple of them visiting

[Gimp-developer] Re: Setting Up Wilber

2003-06-18 Thread Adam Sjøgren
On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:36:18 +0200, Raphaël Quinet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just re-counted now: the current access log for the last 18 hours contains 140 unique IP addresses using NS4.x (not 4.0, doh!). For the day before, 226. For Monday, 152. Out of how many in total? Best regards,

RE: [Gimp-developer] useless plead for honest evrsion numbers :)

2003-06-18 Thread Austin Donnelly
(Yes, I like the text tool, I etxremely like the undo history.. but that is all nothing major). But the undo history is not a new 1.3 feature, it was introduced by me in one of the 1.1 testing series and has thus been in all the 1.2 versions. Austin

Re: [Gimp-developer] useless plead for honest evrsion numbers :)

2003-06-18 Thread pcg
On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 09:55:52AM +0100, Austin Donnelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the text tool, I etxremely like the undo history.. but that is all nothing major). But the undo history is not a new 1.3 feature, it was introduced by me in one of the 1.1 testing series and has thus

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Setting Up Wilber

2003-06-18 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:04:46 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adam Sjøgren) wrote: On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:36:18 +0200, Raphaël Quinet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just re-counted now: the current access log for the last 18 hours contains 140 unique IP addresses using NS4.x (not 4.0, doh!). For the

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: development questions

2003-06-18 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tino Schwarze) writes: I'm also against changing the semantics of GIMP 2.0. It's already well-known as The GEGL GIMP with CMYK etc.. It is very hard to change such wide-spread information. And I don't see a real reason either. Such widespread information? There is one

Re: [Gimp-developer] useless plead for honest evrsion numbers :)

2003-06-18 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) writes: Well, all the agruments I see in favour of 2.0 are always of the form well, evereybody else has 2.0. Well, gtk+2 is at 2.2, msoffice is at 2003 etc.. I give shit on msoffice but GTK+ is the GIMP ToolKit and we will have a hard time to

Re: [Gimp-developer] useless plead for honest evrsion numbers :)

2003-06-18 Thread pcg
On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 11:58:06AM +0200, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, evereybody else has 2.0. Well, gtk+2 is at 2.2, msoffice is at 2003 etc.. I give shit on msoffice but GTK+ is the GIMP ToolKit and we will have a hard time to explain why even it's major release numbers

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: development questions

2003-06-18 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, pcg( Marc)@goof(A.).(Lehmann )com writes: A major version should be reserved for major changes... There is no major change in the user-interface. (In the code, yes, the UI, no). Sorry, but I have to disagree here. I do indeed believe that there is a major change in the GIMP user

Re: [Gimp-developer] useless plead for honest evrsion numbers :)

2003-06-18 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, pcg( Marc)@goof(A.).(Lehmann )com writes: I give shit on msoffice but GTK+ is the GIMP ToolKit and we will have a hard time to explain why even it's major release numbers diverge. Pardon? Why would you ever have a problem explaining why version numbers of *different* packages *differ*?

Re: [Gimp-developer] useless plead for honest evrsion numbers :)

2003-06-18 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:58:06 +0200, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frankly, I won't be oposed very much to calling it gimp-2.0, but everybody is expecting some _major_ release for 2.0, and 1.2 = 2.0, while having many enhancements, is not, in my opinion, much bigger than the 1.0 =

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: development questions

2003-06-18 Thread Tino Schwarze
On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 11:52:53AM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: I'm also against changing the semantics of GIMP 2.0. It's already well-known as The GEGL GIMP with CMYK etc.. It is very hard to change such wide-spread information. And I don't see a real reason either. Such widespread

Re: [Gimp-developer] useless plead for honest evrsion numbers :)

2003-06-18 Thread Tino Schwarze
On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 11:58:06AM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: Well, all the agruments I see in favour of 2.0 are always of the form well, evereybody else has 2.0. Well, gtk+2 is at 2.2, msoffice is at 2003 etc.. I give shit on msoffice but GTK+ is the GIMP ToolKit and we will have a

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: development questions

2003-06-18 Thread pcg
On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 11:52:53AM +0200, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well-known as The GEGL GIMP with CMYK etc.. It is very hard to change such wide-spread information. And I don't see a real reason either. Such widespread information? Try google with such harmless keywoards as

Re: [Gimp-developer] useless plead for honest evrsion numbers :)

2003-06-18 Thread Branko Collin
On 18 Jun 2003, at 13:04, Sven Neumann wrote: The switch from GTK+-1.2 to 2.0 was a lot smaller than what we have to offer for GIMP now. IMHO, Guillermo Romero's suggestion of making it 1.6 or 1.8 is a nice compromise. -- branko collin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: development questions

2003-06-18 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tino Schwarze) writes: Such widespread information? There is one single document that is publically available that outlines a roadmap for the future of the GIMP. It's in the heads of the people. I guess, it's also on some web pages, written in books and magazines

Re: [Gimp-developer] useless plead for honest evrsion numbers :)

2003-06-18 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Branko Collin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The switch from GTK+-1.2 to 2.0 was a lot smaller than what we have to offer for GIMP now. IMHO, Guillermo Romero's suggestion of making it 1.6 or 1.8 is a nice compromise. Hmm, it should be either 1.4 because it's into people's head already or

Re: [Gimp-developer] development questions

2003-06-18 Thread david gowers
Sven Neumann wrote: If you think that the GTK+ menu system needs improvement, it's probably best to involve the GTK+ developers. yes. What about proposing your changes on the gtk-devel list? will do. As far as I know, the gimp2 CVS module is dead. I'm not sure if it makes sense to revive it.

Re: [Gimp-developer] development questions

2003-06-18 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, david gowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As far as I know, the gimp2 CVS module is dead. I'm not sure if it makes sense to revive it. Especially since the code that is probably going to become 2.0 lives in module gimp. you should document that more publicly then. searching for 'gimp

[Gimp-developer] version numbers

2003-06-18 Thread Carol Spears
i use debian. debian seems to use what ever freaking version number they would like to. lets talk about that instead. maybe we can jump it up to 2 simply because everyone seems to be involved again :) carol -- The sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up.

[Gimp-developer] python template for version options

2003-06-18 Thread Carol Spears
python has a template system that might answer all of these issues. cvs already does whatever cvs wants with the version numbers. but the person building their gimp could fill in the version number of their choice, in my gimpenv script or something similar. i don't know how to build an

[Gimp-developer] Re: Setting Up Wilber

2003-06-18 Thread Adam Sjøgren
On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:50:25 +0200, Raphaël Quinet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I had a look at the current log file for today and I counted 10192 unique IP addresses in total. In the meantime (since the last message that I posted 2 hours ago), the number of visitors using NS4 has increased

[Gimp-developer] Re: Re: Setting Up Wilber

2003-06-18 Thread Carol Spears
On 2003-06-17 at 2249.44 +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson typed this: On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 10:24:51PM +0200, Rapha?l Quinet wrote: I hope that the number of Netscape 4 users has decreased since then, but it is likely that there are still more than a couple of them visiting www.gimp.org. I

[Gimp-developer] Re: useless plead for honest evrsion numbers :)

2003-06-18 Thread Carol Spears
On 2003-06-18 at 1218.44 +0200, Tino Schwarze typed this: On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 11:58:06AM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: Well, all the agruments I see in favour of 2.0 are always of the form well, evereybody else has 2.0. Well, gtk+2 is at 2.2, msoffice is at 2003 etc.. I give shit

[Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-18 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Marc kept stating that there are no user-visible changes in GIMP-1.3. I really don't know how much time he spent with GIMP-1.3 but I doubt that he is aware of the amount of changes that have been made. To clarify things a bit and to justify a 2.0 version number for this release, I made a

Re: [Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-18 Thread Adam D. Moss
Sven Neumann wrote: - New RGB-Indexed quantizer Although this should generally be pretty good and better than the old quantizer, I was hoping to do a nice long tweaking'n'tuning session for this in the 1.3 timeframe, which is where things get sexy. Unfortunately it didn't work out like that

Re: [Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-18 Thread pcg
On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 07:20:13PM +0200, Hans Breuer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sven, is it time to flame again ? Please, although I am easily at flaming, I do not intend to do it, nor was it my intent to put off Sven, who works _so_ much, nor is it useful to start a flamewar with sven, who

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP at the Chaos Communication Camp

2003-06-18 Thread Branko Collin
On 18 Jun 2003, at 16:19, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi friends of Wilber, most of you should have already hurt about it but yet another announcement of the camp can't possibly hurt and I will try to focus more on the users point of view this time... Assuming that one of the possible directions

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP at the Chaos Communication Camp

2003-06-18 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Branko Collin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Assuming that one of the possible directions for the GIMP is GEGL, and assuming also that that is one of the possible directions for Cinepaint, we might want to extend this invitation to GEGL and Cinepaint developers and users. It would also

Re: [Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-18 Thread Branko Collin
On 18 Jun 2003, at 23:35, Sven Neumann wrote: Hans Breuer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually a few magazines already know that the next stable release is supposed to be 2.0 for some time already. Perhaps I told one or even two people involved in the computer magazine business about it

Re: [Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-18 Thread pcg
On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 11:35:51PM +0200, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps I told one or even two people involved in the computer magazine business about it when I tried to get some support for the conference this summer. What did you tell them, that gimp-2.0 will be released or

Re: [Gimp-developer] useless plead for honest evrsion numbers :)

2003-06-18 Thread Robert L Krawitz
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:10:26 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl?= Quinet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reasons for calling it 2.0: - GTK+ is at 2.2 (maybe 2.4 by the time the next GIMP is out), so we would at least get the same major release number even if the minor number is

[Gimp-developer] anyone have problems with this?

2003-06-18 Thread Carol Spears
http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/ feel free to edit that carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer

Re: [Gimp-developer] version numbers

2003-06-18 Thread Owen
On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:41:20 -0400 Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe we can jump it up to 2 simply because everyone seems to be involved again :) Follow Mr Knuth's technique Call this one 1.4 which would be followed by 1.41 then 1.414 ... 1.4142136 ad infinitum This has the

Re: [Gimp-developer] version numbers

2003-06-18 Thread Patrick McFarland
I say we just use 2.0 for the first stable tree using GEGL. This entire argument sucks, imho. The first stable tree using GEGL has been called 2.0 for so long, why call it anything else now? It isnt about GTK2, or about Gnome2, or about any thing else. Its just what someone started calling it,