Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] Improve brush outline for fuzzy brushes, sample screenshot included

2009-09-14 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 1:24 PM, peter sikking wrote: - when painting, first I feel that this outline is a lousy representative  for a brush. next I notice that getting the 'brush' out of the way and  showing the immediate paint result rules. so now I am thinking:  what about no outline at

Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] Improve brush outline for fuzzy brushes, sample screenshot included

2009-09-14 Thread yahvuu
hi, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 1:24 PM, peter sikking wrote: - when painting, first I feel that this outline is a lousy representative for a brush. next I notice that getting the 'brush' out of the way and showing the immediate paint result rules. so now I am

Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] Improve brush outline for fuzzy brushes, sample screenshot included

2009-09-14 Thread peter sikking
Alexandre wrote: What exactly do you mean? OK, I'll try to be clearer: mouse up/not painting/just hovering over the canvas: show the real brush pixmap, with all the contrast we can muster vs. the canvas under it, 100% true opacity for each stamp pixel, reflecting brush, scale, aspect ratio,

Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] Improve brush outline for fuzzy brushes, sample screenshot included

2009-09-14 Thread Alexander Rabtchevich
That would be fine if GIMP only supported mouse click painting, not dragging. When one moves mouse while painting seeing brush outline and borders of analyzed area for healing brush is useful. peter sikking wrote: mouse down/painting/stroking on the canvas: the applied 'paint' is the

Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] Improve brush outline for fuzzy brushes, sample screenshot included

2009-09-14 Thread peter sikking
Alexander Rabtchevich wrote: That would be fine if GIMP only supported mouse click painting, not dragging. When one moves mouse while painting seeing brush outline and borders of analyzed area for healing brush is useful. peter sikking wrote: mouse down/painting/stroking on the canvas:

Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] Improve brush outline for fuzzy brushes, sample screenshot included

2009-09-13 Thread yahvuu
hi, peter sikking wrote: - it is fantastic to see a fuzzy/grunge brush as a real copy of the actual brush when one is not painting, but it has to _contrast_ with what is under it or else it just disappears. When it contrasts (some X-OR variation, or so) I think it should not be semi

Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] Improve brush outline for fuzzy brushes, sample screenshot included

2009-09-13 Thread yahvuu
hi, David Gowers wrote: On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Rob Antonishen rob.antonis...@gmail.com wrote: Peter- To clarify, you are suggesting the on screen pointer icon/sprite could show the actual brush as it would look painted with a single mouse click, but once painting/holding the

Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] Improve brush outline for fuzzy brushes, sample screenshot included

2009-09-12 Thread peter sikking
(peter) yahvuu wrote: what about printing a semi transparent copy of the actual brush on the canvas? exactly what I thought. Even though I think the patch made the brush outline better for fuzzy brushes, it is still not without flaws. Let's ignore the patch and aim for the above

Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] Improve brush outline for fuzzy brushes, sample screenshot included

2009-09-12 Thread peter sikking
second try sending this... (peter) yahvuu wrote: what about printing a semi transparent copy of the actual brush on the canvas? exactly what I thought. Even though I think the patch made the brush outline better for fuzzy brushes, it is still not without flaws. Let's ignore the

Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] Improve brush outline for fuzzy brushes, sample screenshot included

2009-09-12 Thread Rob Antonishen
Peter- To clarify, you are suggesting the on screen pointer icon/sprite could show the actual brush as it would look painted with a single mouse click, but once painting/holding the mouse down it would render as a cross hair? And once the mouse is released it would turn back to a static sprite?

Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] Improve brush outline for fuzzy brushes, sample screenshot included

2009-09-12 Thread David Gowers
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Rob Antonishen rob.antonis...@gmail.com wrote: Peter- To clarify, you are suggesting the on screen pointer icon/sprite could show the actual brush as it would look painted with a single mouse click, but once painting/holding the mouse down it would render as

Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] Improve brush outline for fuzzy brushes, sample screenshot included

2009-09-09 Thread yahvuu
Hi all, Martin Nordholts wrote: On 09/01/2009 07:29 PM, peter sikking wrote: Guillermo Espertino wrote: what about printing a semi transparent copy of the actual brush on the canvas? exactly what I thought. Even though I think the patch made the brush outline better for fuzzy brushes,

Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] Improve brush outline for fuzzy brushes, sample screenshot included

2009-09-09 Thread Steren
If you want to test-drive the look and feel, here's a flash applet featuring various outline designs: http://sites.google.com/site/yahvuu/stuff/brushtester-web.lzx.swf8.swf?attredirects=0 This is the good approach : prototype, test and decide. Thanks a lot for the flash test. I personnaly

Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] Improve brush outline for fuzzy brushes, sample screenshot included

2009-09-09 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 09/09/2009 09:39 PM, Steren wrote: If you want to test-drive the look and feel, here's a flash applet featuring various outline designs: http://sites.google.com/site/yahvuu/stuff/brushtester-web.lzx.swf8.swf?attredirects=0 This is the good approach : prototype, test and

Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] Improve brush outline for fuzzy brushes, sample screenshot included

2009-09-03 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 09/01/2009 07:29 PM, peter sikking wrote: Guillermo Espertino wrote: what about printing a semi transparent copy of the actual brush on the canvas? exactly what I thought. Even though I think the patch made the brush outline better for fuzzy brushes, it is still not without flaws.

Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] Improve brush outline for fuzzy brushes, sample screenshot included

2009-09-01 Thread peter sikking
Guillermo Espertino wrote: what about printing a semi transparent copy of the actual brush on the canvas? exactly what I thought. --ps founder + principal interaction architect man + machine interface works http://mmiworks.net/blog : on interaction

Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] Improve brush outline for fuzzy brushes, sample screenshot included

2009-08-31 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 5:57 PM, yahvuu wrote: hi, what about using a dashed outline for fuzzy brushes? This is more or less what gogh has: two circles to represent fuzzyness. It was really really useful. Alexandre ___ Gimp-developer mailing list

Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] Improve brush outline for fuzzy brushes, sample screenshot included

2009-08-31 Thread Martin Renold
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 11:11:32AM +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: This is more or less what gogh has: two circles to represent fuzzyness. It was really really useful. I think in gogh the two circles represent the brush radius at minimum and maximum pressure, not the fuzziness. bye, Martin

Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] Improve brush outline for fuzzy brushes, sample screenshot included

2009-08-31 Thread Guillermo Espertino
what about printing a semi transparent copy of the actual brush on the canvas? Is it possible? The ghosted brush can have two opacities, one for the preview when the tool isn't in use, and one more transparent when the tool is in use. I wouldn't mind to have a simple circle of the size of the

[Gimp-developer] [PATCH] Improve brush outline for fuzzy brushes, sample screenshot included

2009-08-30 Thread Martin Nordholts
Hi I think the current brush outline for fuzzy brushes is too big. The attached patch improves the brush outline for fuzzy brushes (see screenshot [1]). If using a higher threshold doesn't result in any outline at all, the patch fallbacks to the old brush outline so that a brush outline

Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] Improve brush outline for fuzzy brushes, sample screenshot included

2009-08-30 Thread Ramón Miranda
Hi all, My opinion about that is the same as shirakawa if we want to do photography retouch and superexact works like these, but artisticaly i would prefer something like Martin says. It is more useful for the eye, if we want to make an stroke fast and not acuratly but in the aprox right place.the

Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] Improve brush outline for fuzzy brushes, sample screenshot included

2009-08-30 Thread yahvuu
hi, what about using a dashed outline for fuzzy brushes? perhaps like a) in http://yahvuu.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/fuzzy-outline.png I think it's rewarding to visually mark fuzzy outlines / feathered selections, as it opens the path for on-canvas adjustments -- as has been pointed out on the

Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] Improve brush outline for fuzzy brushes, sample screenshot included

2009-08-30 Thread Daniel Hornung
On Sunday 30 August 2009, Martin Nordholts wrote: [1] http://www.chromecode.com/temp/improve-fuzzy-brush-outline.png One more thing that has always irritated me (not related to your change though): The lower-left - upper right lines (/) seem to use a different corner case of the same algorithm

Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] Improve brush outline for fuzzy brushes, sample screenshot included

2009-08-30 Thread SHIRAKAWA Akira
yahvuu wrote: hi, what about using a dashed outline for fuzzy brushes? perhaps like a) in http://yahvuu.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/fuzzy-outline.png This is a very good idea, but I think it would be more logic and consistent with the style of brush outlines in GIMP if it was the

Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] Improve brush outline for fuzzy brushes, sample screenshot included

2009-08-30 Thread yahvuu
hi, SHIRAKAWA Akira wrote: yahvuu wrote: hi, what about using a dashed outline for fuzzy brushes? perhaps like a) in http://yahvuu.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/fuzzy-outline.png This is a very good idea, but I think it would be more logic and consistent with the style of brush outlines

Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] Improve brush outline for fuzzy brushes, sample screenshot included

2009-08-30 Thread Eckhard M.
Hello Martin, once i suggested at GIMP brainstorm painting two lines for fuzzy brushes and feather borders. One dotted where pacity = 100% and on with just any secound dot where opacity = 0%. A center mark would be great too. So artists know where is the center of the stroke (may for

Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] Improve brush outline for fuzzy brushes, sample screenshot included

2009-08-30 Thread Alexia Death
On Sunday 30 August 2009 22:30:54 Eckhard M. Jäger wrote: Hello Martin, once i suggested at GIMP brainstorm painting two lines for fuzzy brushes and feather borders. One dotted where pacity = 100% and on with just any secound dot where opacity = 0%. A center mark would be great too. There