Re: [Gimp-developer] Need feedback for the new PDF plugin
Hello, I tried the new GIMP 2.7 and now I saw what the export feature behaves like. After some thought I reached the conclusion that we should probably merge both procedures (single and multi page) into one procedure for exporting everything. However I also have 2 new additions: 1. The export parameters (aka the pages and optimization) should be saved for each image individually. If the export is automatically suggested for the same file as last time, we should save the parameters for each file - which means saving the parameters for each image. 2. We should warn the user when he wants to re-export the PDF if one of the images that was a part of the PDF was closed, so he won't overwrite his PDF and loose pages. For feature 1, we need to make sure the parameters are saved per image but are only relevant for the current session (since the pages are the open images, not images from files). I need some help here on how to do this... Should I save the parameters to some file instead of adding the to the image? Then I can probabbly use the quit() procedure of the plugin to delete this file. This is the only solution I could think off, and then, should I use the .gimpX.X/tmp/ dir for saving the file? Waiting for feedback =) ~ Barak On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Martin Nordholtsense...@gmail.com wrote: We can't predict what a user wants to do. We can only give sane defaults, such as the previous export options, and allow the user to change them if they are not right. A more sophisticated solution would be to have per-image export options. Not sure if that is a good idea or not. The problem is that the multipage procedure should be non-related to the single-page save procedure since these are different tasks. I don't see these two as conceptually different tasks. In both cases the user wants to export a PDF. I have only one solution which can solve our problem but I want to hear your opinion about it: 1. Merge the gui both procedures, and make the view of the multipage procedure hidden inside a GtkExpander. 2. Behaviour will be configure like this: a. When the expander is not expanded, only the options for the single page export will be visible, and it will behave as a single page export. b.When the expander is expanded, it will behave as the multipage export and will export the all the images in the GtkIconView. What d you mean w ith all images in the GtkIconView? Can't we simply let the user pick the images for the multi-page PDF? 3. In case of GIMP_RUN_WITH_LAST_VALS it will be assumed that the expander is hidden and it's a single page export. Wouldn't it make more sense to simply run with last vals? That is, if the user previously exported image 1 2 and 3, invoking 'File-Export to file.pdf' would re-export this multi-page PDF. 4. We should make sure that if the multipage procedure was used the image will still be marked as unsaved somehow (Does the new export api causes images to still be marked as unsaved when using the Export function? If so, this solves our problem :D) In git master, exported dirtiness is separate from saved dirtiness. You should try it out :) BR, Martin ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
David G said always opened like this and Gimp already has the ability to save it's layout too. Photoshop allowed this perfectly and still was a single window program. i would like to have also the ability so save my workspace and change inside the gimp from. for example. paint workspace to a photoretouch space . instead having different sessionrc and quiting gimp to change the workspace. i hope you will understand me. 2009/9/6 David G. for...@gimpusers.com I like modular structures becouse they allows more custom changes. So this way you can change your layout of panels. But if all it would be in a single window , ithink lot of users would thanks that. becouse i hear a lot... Gimp is nice , but his gui is ugly and uncomfortable.i don?t like to see a lot of panels flying through my desktop Lets give it a try to a single window mode 2009/9/5 Martin Nordholts ense...@gmail.com On 09/05/2009 06:22 PM, Richard Nespithal wrote: A single-window mode would also turn 2.8 into a remarkable release is it possible, to switch back to multi-window mode in 2.8? That is not really relevant to this thread. (But yes of course it will be possible.) / Martin -- My GIMP Blog: http://www.chromecode.com/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer I don't know why people mention so much that if you create a single window Gimp that that it will not allow you to put your tools in a second monitor because I used Photoshop also many times and despite it being a single window program it allows you to put the toolbox and the parameter windows (or at least it did in some older versions) in a separate monitor and leave the main program window all for editing pictures if that's what people wanted. You coul also save the workspace layout so Photoshop always opened like this and Gimp already has the ability to save it's layout too. Photoshop allowed this perfectly and still was a single window program. If that's the concern of people then perhaps Gimp should become a single windows program that allows this, that allows you to put the toolbox and the right utilities window in a separate monitor while still preserving a single box or entry in the taskbar. In my opinion having a single entry in the taskbar is much better because it's far less messy, the biggest problem with the multiple entries interface is that some people seem to think that everybody opens Gimp only here and there and ocasioanlly and they are not thinking of the profesional users that use Gimp seriously (and yes it is a powerfull program already and it can be used seriously) and some people seem to be forgetting that some people like me for example many, many times have several windows and applications running simultaneously and when I mean several I mean a lot, I find myself many times with 10 or 12 aplications and/or utilities or more open at the same time (with todays memorys and CPU power this is very possible and more common than some people think) and switching among them and believe me this is not uncommon for professional artists that are jumping from 3D to illustration to bitmap editor, video editing, Flash and/or a web page layout program or even more programs back and fort like a carrousel. In todays workflow you can find many users that work just like that instead of the persons that just open a bitmap editor ocasionally and the issue is that when you have a lot of windows of different programs open at the same time a program like Gimp can become a mess in the task bar in MS Windows or even in other Operating Systems. Sometimes when I'm working like that the taskbar is so full that it creates a second entry line and you have to switch between the first line of items or entries in the task bar and the secong and with Gimps it gets sort of confusing or anoying in that situation and I use Blender too which creates a second window for the command window and many times a third windows for the rendering window and then you get a mess. Programs that have a single entry in the task bar are far better for this type of workflow, they are easier to manage. Maybe the Gimp team should make a survey to see how many people prefer the single entry or single window program over the multiple ones. This issue of too many windows have been a source of complain of many, many Gimp users for long years and I think that it would be foolhardy to ignore and at the very least the Gimp team should consider making a survey to see how many people prefer the single window interface but remember what I told you at first about being able to put the toolbox pane and the right pane in other monitors despite the program being single window or single entry program. I think that part of the confussion comes precisely from the fact
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP in-game feature
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Christopher Howard chow...@indicium.uswrote: Perhaps this is a resolved issue now. But I just thought I'd mention that SuperTuxKart also uses Wilber. Might help to talk to their devel team and see how they handled the legal details. I am using the name GIMP and the image of Wilber in my podcast Meet the GIMP at http://meetthegimp.org. As far as I remember I asked here and got a thumbs up. And until today nobody sued me ;-) ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8
On Sun, 2009-09-06 at 06:37 +0200, David G. wrote: I don't know why people mention so much that if you create a single window Gimp that that it will not allow you to put your tools in a second monitor because I used Photoshop also many times and despite it being a single window program it allows you to put the toolbox and the parameter windows (or at least it did in some older versions) in a separate monitor and leave the main program window all for editing pictures if that's what people wanted. PhotoShop (e.g. CS2) is not MDI -- you can drag images out of the desktop window too. And it's not single-window either. Instead, there's a desktop window, but that's really there (I think) just to make sure other program windows don't interfere visually, and to make people think it's still an MDI program. Of course, it also minimises completely, unlike gimp where I can have two images minimised and one open (which is good) and then if I close the image that's open (not minimized i mean), I am left with a toolbox and no images, so I no longer have access to any menus. GIMP already shows as a single entry in the gnome taskbar, here at least, so there's minimise all available now. At any rate, Martin, I'm sure you already know people use MDI loosely to mean behaviour I'd like to see, involving my perception of fewer windows and single window to mean multiple windows that minimise together or program that can't really be used to work on multiple projects at the same time and hence is less confusing for me :-) Right now gimp is broken for working on multiple projects (the file/save changes have rendered it too hard to keep track of where images are being exported) but the use case is central (I think) to how single window needs to work. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] I only have Gimp 2.6.7 binaries
To SorinN: I use Windows (Vista 64 bit and XP) and I only have Gimp 2.6.7 so far which is the one that is available for Windows now, if Gimp 2.7 creates a single entry in the taskbar and all the Windows minimize when you minimize one that's great for me, the multiple windows thing and being able to put them anywhere you want doesn't bother me, like I said it's just that I think that a single entry in the task bar becomes much easier to manage in a multi application workflow. Again if Gimp 2.7 fixes this that will be great. In another Gimp related issue, in mi new Windows Vista machine Gimp 2.6.7 crashes the graphic card driver a lot when I activate a selection markee. When I activate a selection markee the graphics driver starts to have problems and starts to flicker and shortly after that the Nvidia cards reports to me that the graphics system has crashed and that it has been recovered. Luckily this recovery system seems to be pretty solid in my graphics card system otherwise I would have a lot of Vista crashes because of this. I Have Windows Vista Ultimate 64 Bit running in a Intel core i7 CPU and two Evga 260 GTX graphic cards running in SLI mode with 12 gigas of DDR3 memory, when I first installed Gimp in this machine it crashed a lot when I tried to use color correction tools like Brighness and Contrast adjustments, as soon as I tried to use one of those Gimp crashed but when it was updated to version 2.6.7 that was totally fixed (that bug was giving a lot of people problems cause I found out online) but I still have the selection markee issue that makes the graphic system unstable quickly, any ideas about what could be causing this? In my XP machines it works just fine. I personally, deffinitely prefer the Gimp being a program that always shows as a single entry in the taskbar that's really my main concern, it's just easier to manage single entry programs with a multiple applications workflow. But GIMP 2.7 solve that. Maybe you don't use 2.7. A single entry in taskbar and when the canvas window is minimized all other utility windows are minimized too. 2009/9/6 Ramon Miranda mirandagrap...@gmail.com: David G said always opened like this and Gimp already has the ability to save it's layout too. Photoshop allowed this perfectly and still was a single window program. i would like to have also the ability so save my workspace and change inside the gimp from. for example. paint workspace to a photoretouch space . instead having different sessionrc and quiting gimp to change the workspace. i hope you will understand me. 2009/9/6 David G. for...@gimpusers.com I like modular structures becouse they allows more custom changes. So this way you can change your layout of panels. But if all it would be in a single window , ithink lot of users would thanks that. becouse i hear a lot... Gimp is nice , but his gui is ugly and uncomfortable.i don?t like to see a lot of panels flying through my desktop Lets give it a try to a single window mode 2009/9/5 Martin Nordholts ense...@gmail.com On 09/05/2009 06:22 PM, Richard Nespithal wrote: A single-window mode would also turn 2.8 into a remarkable release is it possible, to switch back to multi-window mode in 2.8? That is not really relevant to this thread. (But yes of course it will be possible.) / Martin -- My GIMP Blog: http://www.chromecode.com/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer I don't know why people mention so much that if you create a single window Gimp that that it will not allow you to put your tools in a second monitor because I used Photoshop also many times and despite it being a single window program it allows you to put the toolbox and the parameter windows (or at least it did in some older versions) in a separate monitor and leave the main program window all for editing pictures if that's what people wanted. You coul also save the workspace layout so Photoshop always opened like this and Gimp already has the ability to save it's layout too. Photoshop allowed this perfectly and still was a single window program. If that's the concern of people then perhaps Gimp should become a single windows program that allows this, that allows you to put the toolbox and the right utilities window in a separate monitor while still preserving a single box or entry in the taskbar. In my opinion having a single entry in the taskbar is much better because it's far less messy, the biggest problem with the multiple entries interface is that some people seem to think that everybody opens Gimp only here and there and ocasioanlly and they are not thinking of the profesional users that use Gimp seriously (and yes it is a powerfull program already and it can be used seriously) and some people seem to be forgetting that some people
