Re: Native Threads in the RTS

2002-11-29 Thread Alastair Reid
[Note: I'm consistently using 'foreign thread' instead of 'native thread'. The Haskell-spec necessarily treats Haskell as the centre of the universe. So what a Linux kernel hacker might think of as a 'native thread' is really quite foreign to Haskell. Feel free to ignore this little experiment

RE: Native Threads in the RTS

2002-11-29 Thread Simon Marlow
Or, we can adopt a much weaker semantics than Wolfgang intended and have: $0 = bindees(f) - uses(f)$ This would allow several currently running, active Haskell threads to all be bound to the same foreign thread. When any of these threads makes a foreign call, the other threads

RE: incremental linking?

2002-11-29 Thread Simon Marlow
I too am getting link times in the several minutes range for my modestly sized project, I am on a standalone dual-cpu redhat linux box with 5.04.1 (no nfs, no nuttin') the project is available at http://repetae.net/john/computer/ginsu/ I think there is definatly something fishy going

Re: incremental linking?

2002-11-29 Thread Claus Reinke
I haven't been able to discern any pattern among those experiencing long link times so far, except that -export-dynamic flag used by the dynamic loader stuff seems to cause the linker to go off into space for a while. We're still investigating here, but just a quick summary for our own (large)

Re: Native Threads in the RTS

2002-11-29 Thread Alastair Reid
Simon Marlow: Another problem, from an implementation point of view, is that we would have to surround unsafe foreign calls with a lot of context-switching gumph, in case the calling Haskell thread is bound to a native thread. I really think we don't want to do this. Note that you only

RE: Native Threads in the RTS

2002-11-29 Thread Simon Marlow
This is all getting highly confusing, as it seems we're working with different ideas of what's on the table. Alastair: you seem to be working on your own proposal - could you write it down either as a complete proposal or diffs to Wolfgangs? I did. You sent comments on it and I sent

Re: Native Threads in the RTS

2002-11-29 Thread Wolfgang Thaller
So, we can say that foreign functions of the form: foreign import bound unsafe bar :: ... are illegal or we can allow them and provide warnings or we can allow them and trust the programmer to know that bar is much more expensive than they think. (I favour the first two.) NOOO! Don't do