On Sun, 2005-01-30 at 14:12 -0500, Jeff Kinz wrote:
On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 01:32:49PM -0500, John Abreau wrote:
On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 08:48, Jerry Feldman wrote:
religiously, JABR does not like SuSE, and
have always installed easily on the same machines that SuSE failed to
On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 08:48, Jerry Feldman wrote:
religiously, JABR does not like SuSE, and
since he was doing the work...
No, it's not a religious issue. I've tried SuSE a number of times,
and I've never gotten it to install successfully. Redhat and Fedora
have always installed easily on
On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 01:32:49PM -0500, John Abreau wrote:
On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 08:48, Jerry Feldman wrote:
religiously, JABR does not like SuSE, and
have always installed easily on the same machines that SuSE failed to
install on.
Ah, well then, that explains it. You've been
I'll second this. In fact, every Compaq that I've ever seen does
this. It's usually the last partition on the disk, is roughly 32MB
in size and generally of a type not recognized by Linux fdisk or fips.
It was actually the first partition and it was 5 GIGS in size.
If you do manage to
On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 12:07:38AM -0500, Benjamin Scott wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, at 9:23pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
Of course, most Linux users probably don't have use for most of those
intangibles anyway ...
It depends. Generally speaking, companies care more if you pay more. So
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 01:30:55 -0500
Jason Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'll second this. In fact, every Compaq that I've ever seen does this.
It's usually the last partition on the disk, is roughly 32MB in size
and
generally of a type not recognized by Linux fdisk or fips.
I have 2
Travis Roy wrote:
I'll second this. In fact, every Compaq that I've ever seen does
this. It's usually the last partition on the disk, is roughly 32MB
in size and generally of a type not recognized by Linux fdisk or fips.
It was actually the first partition and it was 5 GIGS in size.
Guess it
Jerry Feldman wrote:
Most PC vendors today place a hidden partition from which you can
reinstall or repair the OS. The reason for this is that they do not have
to provide you with an installation CD.
Right. I'm aware of that. It's another reason why I don't buy named
brand PCs. They advertise an
Jason Stephenson wrote:
Jerry Feldman wrote:
In general, I would probably buy a Dell or HP/Compaq depending on the
price and features, although I might also buy a system with Linux
preinstalled.
I don't think Dell does the above, at least not on the Optiplex and
PowerEdge lines.
I was recently
Jason (et. al.),
reinstall or repair the OS. The reason for this is that they do not have
to provide you with an installation CD.
..
Personally, I'd rather have the install media on a bootable DVD
and have the full use of my disk, thanks.
It is not just that they want to save the cost
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:56:58 -0500
Jon maddog Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is not just that they want to save the cost of the CD, but some
companies
are ordering systems without CD drives because they want a thin client
on the
desktop...something without floppies and/or a CD...something
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:47:31 -0500
Dan Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm also not surprised over the Presario response to Linux. I got a
similar response when a school was donated one and we needed to
install
Windows NT on it (the application required it), instead of the XP Home
it came
Jerry Feldman wrote:
BTW: most people I know who have IBM thinkpads like them. Additionally,
both IBM and HP have very strong Linux programs.
I've bought about fifty IBM ThinkPads in the two years. Excellent pieces
of equipment in my mind. A number of them are running Linux. No problems
at
Jon maddog Hall wrote:
Jason (et. al.),
reinstall or repair the OS. The reason for this is that they do not have
to provide you with an installation CD.
..
Personally, I'd rather have the install media on a bootable DVD
and have the full use of my disk, thanks.
It is not
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
but no method of recovering them unless you paid $25 or $50 just seems wrong.
(sigh)
It is the old story that to throw a pre-pressed CD into a consumer grade
computer would probably cost less than $.05. But they are going to make
100,000 of those consumer grade
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:50:50 -0500
Jon maddog Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is the old story that to throw a pre-pressed CD into a consumer grade
computer would probably cost less than $.05. But they are going to make
100,000 of those consumer grade systems, so it is really a cost of
Jon maddog Hall wrote:
It is not just that they want to save the cost of the CD, but some companies
are ordering systems without CD drives because they want a thin client on the
desktop...something without floppies and/or a CD...something that could
boot over the network and be diskless or be
There are two types of special partitions one usually sees these days:
One is the system utility partition, which contains things like BIOS
setup, diagnostics, and such. Compaq is famous for using such a partition
*instead* of firmware-based utilities, meaning if your hard disk or RAID
Since everyone is voicing their opinions and experiences with vendors,
here are some of mine:
I work for a systems integration and support company, so in most cases, I
*am* technical support for the end-user. While I can do all the work
myself, it's far cheaper for me to be able to pick
A reoccuring theme in this and many other forums is that the level of
support one gets with a computer really sucks.
As I said before, more and more companies (Dell, HP/Compaq, and Gateway
for sure) are offering two product lines. One is called the consumer
product line. They call it
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:06:47 -0500 (EST)
Benjamin Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They don't care. Indeed, they want it that way. Presario PCs are
as-cheap-as-possible junk desktops. Their sole purpose is to keep
money
from going to the Dells and Gateways of the world. They don't want
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, at 7:55am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
AFAIK, the DeskPro line was killed several years ago.
Well, the DeskPro *brand* was retired, but I'm pretty sure the part of HP
that was Compaq still offers a line of business class desktop computers,
or whatever you want to call them.
On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 08:36:29PM -0500, Benjamin Scott wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, at 7:55am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
AFAIK, the DeskPro line was killed several years ago.
FWIW, Dell and Gateway do this, too, to different extends, and I imagine
other vendors do, too. With Dell, you've
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, at 9:23pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From the consumer standpoint, I can attest to this: my boss was recently
buying a new laptop, and had the choice in front of him to choose two
mostly identical laptops. When he asked the difference, this was basically
their answer: One
Benjamin Scott wrote:
Keep in mind that many Compaq's keep the BIOS setup program on disk,
where just about everything else keeps it in firmware. That means that if
you blow away the utility partition, you can no longer do anything useful to
configure the BIOS.
I'll second this. In fact, every
My workplace got a workstation machine for our Manchester datacenter.
Just a computer for people that come to work in the facility to use if
they don't have a laptop or for testing and whatnot.
Anyway, I decided to dual boot the box with WinXP/Linux. After trying 3
different distributions of
On Thu, 2005-01-27 at 10:35, Travis Roy wrote:
Here was the response I got from HP/Compaq about the issue:
Don't feel bad, I got very much the same response from them when I put
Win2k on one of their computers that had been 'designed' to run Win98.
Just tell a friend and don't buy anymore.
On Thursday 27 January 2005 10:35 am, Travis Roy wrote:
I see that you installed Linux in Presario and partition forces to
re-install.
This is because that the Presario product line was developed for home
users utilizing Windows 95, 98, Me, 2000, and Windows XP Home operating
systems.
Linux
On Thursday 27 January 2005 10:35 am, Travis Roy wrote:
I see that you installed Linux in Presario and partition forces to
re-install.
This is because that the Presario product line was developed for home
users utilizing Windows 95, 98, Me, 2000, and Windows XP Home operating
systems.
Linux is
So I repartition the drive, reboot and it detected a partition
corruption and it -FORCED- me, from the BIOS to re-install WinXP
home from the rescue partition.
(sigh) A middle-finger once again lifted in Linux's general
direction. This sort of dainbramage is still too common...
Well, IIRC
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:35:35 -0500
Travis Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here was the response I got from HP/Compaq about the issue:
Dear Travs,
Thank you for contacting HP Total Care.
I see that you installed Linux in Presario and partition forces to
re-install.
This is because that
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, at 11:15am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just tell a friend and don't buy anymore. It's all you can do. :-)
I disagree. True, word of mouth is great, but a pointed letter to
HP/Compaq would definitely be in order.
They don't care. Indeed, they want it that way.
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, at 11:19am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've encountered similar things before. In my cases, I found it was a boot
partition, not the BIOS, which was enforcing the repair. I just deleted
the small boot partition, and rewrote the boot sector, and the problem
went away. YMMV.
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, at 11:43am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, IIRC there's that loadlinux.exe (or whatever
it's called)
LOADLIN.EXE (FYI)
... that boots Linux directly from Windows.
To the best of my knowledge, it can only boot Linux from DOS. It needs
the system in real mode (circa
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