On Sun, 2005-01-30 at 14:12 -0500, Jeff Kinz wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 01:32:49PM -0500, John Abreau wrote:
> > On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 08:48, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> > > religiously, JABR does not like SuSE, and
> >
> > have always installed easily on the same machines that SuSE faile
On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 01:32:49PM -0500, John Abreau wrote:
> On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 08:48, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> > religiously, JABR does not like SuSE, and
>
> have always installed easily on the same machines that SuSE failed to
> install on.
Ah, well then, that explains it. You've
On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 08:48, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> religiously, JABR does not like SuSE, and
> since he was doing the work...
No, it's not a religious issue. I've tried SuSE a number of times,
and I've never gotten it to install successfully. Redhat and Fedora
have always installed easily on t
A reoccuring theme in this and many other forums is that the level of
support one gets with a computer really sucks.
As I said before, more and more companies (Dell, HP/Compaq, and Gateway
for sure) are offering two product lines. One is called the "consumer"
product line. They call it th
Since everyone is voicing their opinions and experiences with vendors,
here are some of mine:
I work for a systems integration and support company, so in most cases, I
*am* technical support for the end-user. While I can do all the work
myself, it's far cheaper for me to be able to pick up
There are two types of "special partitions" one usually sees these days:
One is the "system utility" partition, which contains things like BIOS
setup, diagnostics, and such. Compaq is famous for using such a partition
*instead* of firmware-based utilities, meaning if your hard disk or RAID
a
Jon maddog Hall wrote:
It is not just that they want to "save the cost of the CD", but some companies
are ordering systems without CD drives because they want a thin client on the
desktop...something without floppies and/or a CD...something that could
boot over the network and be diskless or be (re
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:50:50 -0500
Jon maddog Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It is the old story that to throw a pre-pressed CD into a "consumer grade"
> computer would probably cost less than $.05. But they are going to make
> 100,000 of those "consumer grade" systems, so it is really a cost
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> but no method of recovering them unless you paid $25 or $50 just seems wrong.
(sigh)
It is the old story that to throw a pre-pressed CD into a "consumer grade"
computer would probably cost less than $.05. But they are going to make
100,000 of those "consumer grade" sys
Jon maddog Hall wrote:
Jason (et. al.),
reinstall or repair the OS. The reason for this is that they do not have
to provide you with an installation CD.
..
Personally, I'd rather have the install media on a bootable DVD
and have the full use of my disk, thanks.
It is not just
Jerry Feldman wrote:
BTW: most people I know who have IBM thinkpads like them. Additionally,
both IBM and HP have very strong Linux programs.
I've bought about fifty IBM ThinkPads in the two years. Excellent pieces
of equipment in my mind. A number of them are running Linux. No problems
at al
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:47:31 -0500
Dan Jenkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm also not surprised over the Presario response to Linux. I got a
> similar response when a school was donated one and we needed to
install
> Windows NT on it (the application required it), instead of the XP Home
> it
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:56:58 -0500
Jon maddog Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It is not just that they want to "save the cost of the CD", but some
companies
> are ordering systems without CD drives because they want a thin client
on the
> desktop...something without floppies and/or a CD...someth
Jason (et. al.),
> reinstall or repair the OS. The reason for this is that they do not have
> to provide you with an installation CD.
..
>Personally, I'd rather have the install media on a bootable DVD
>and have the full use of my disk, thanks.
It is not just that they want to "save the c
Jason Stephenson wrote:
Jerry Feldman wrote:
In general, I would probably buy a Dell or HP/Compaq depending on the
price and features, although I might also buy a system with Linux
preinstalled.
I don't think Dell does the above, at least not on the Optiplex and
PowerEdge lines.
I was recently pl
Jerry Feldman wrote:
Most PC vendors today place a hidden partition from which you can
reinstall or repair the OS. The reason for this is that they do not have
to provide you with an installation CD.
Right. I'm aware of that. It's another reason why I don't buy named
brand PCs. They advertise an
Travis Roy wrote:
I'll second this. In fact, every Compaq that I've ever seen does
this. It's usually the last partition on the disk, is roughly 32MB
in size and generally of a type not recognized by Linux fdisk or fips.
It was actually the first partition and it was 5 GIGS in size.
Guess it var
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 01:30:55 -0500
Jason Stephenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'll second this. In fact, every Compaq that I've ever seen does this.
> It's usually the last partition on the disk, is roughly 32MB in size
and
> generally of a type not recognized by Linux fdisk or fips.
I have 2
On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 12:07:38AM -0500, Benjamin Scott wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, at 9:23pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
> > Of course, most Linux users probably don't have use for most of those
> > intangibles anyway ...
>
> It depends. Generally speaking, companies care more if you pay more.
> I'll second this. In fact, every Compaq that I've ever seen does
> this. It's usually the last partition on the disk, is roughly 32MB
> in size and generally of a type not recognized by Linux fdisk or fips.
It was actually the first partition and it was 5 GIGS in size.
> If you do manage to
Benjamin Scott wrote:
Keep in mind that many Compaq's keep the "BIOS setup" program on disk,
where just about everything else keeps it in firmware. That means that if
you blow away the utility partition, you can no longer do anything useful to
configure the BIOS.
I'll second this. In fact, every
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, at 9:23pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> From the consumer standpoint, I can attest to this: my boss was recently
> buying a new laptop, and had the choice in front of him to choose two
> mostly identical laptops. When he asked the difference, this was basically
> their answer: "O
On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 08:36:29PM -0500, Benjamin Scott wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, at 7:55am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > AFAIK, the DeskPro line was killed several years ago.
>
> FWIW, Dell and Gateway do this, too, to different extends, and I imagine
> other vendors do, too. With Dell, y
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, at 7:55am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> AFAIK, the DeskPro line was killed several years ago.
Well, the DeskPro *brand* was retired, but I'm pretty sure the part of HP
that was Compaq still offers a line of "business class" desktop computers,
or whatever you want to call them.
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:06:47 -0500 (EST)
Benjamin Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They don't care. Indeed, they want it that way. Presario PCs are
> as-cheap-as-possible junk desktops. Their sole purpose is to keep
money
> from going to the Dells and Gateways of the world. They don't want
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, at 11:43am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Well, IIRC there's that loadlinux.exe (or whatever
> it's called)
LOADLIN.EXE (FYI)
> ... that boots Linux directly from Windows.
To the best of my knowledge, it can only boot Linux from DOS. It needs
the system in real mode (circa
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, at 11:19am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I've encountered similar things before. In my cases, I found it was a boot
> partition, not the BIOS, which was enforcing the "repair." I just deleted
> the small boot partition, and rewrote the boot sector, and the problem
> went away. YM
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, at 11:15am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Just tell a friend and don't buy anymore. It's all you can do. :-)
>
>I disagree. True, word of mouth is great, but a pointed letter to
> HP/Compaq would definitely be in order.
They don't care. Indeed, they want it that way.
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:35:35 -0500
Travis Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here was the response I got from HP/Compaq about the issue:
> Dear Travs,
>
> Thank you for contacting HP Total Care.
>
> I see that you installed Linux in Presario and partition forces to
> re-install.
>
> This is beca
> So I repartition the drive, reboot and it detected a "partition
> corruption" and it -FORCED- me, from the BIOS to re-install WinXP
> home from the rescue partition.
(sigh) A middle-finger once again lifted in Linux's general
direction. This sort of dainbramage is still too common...
Well,
On Thursday 27 January 2005 10:35 am, Travis Roy wrote:
I see that you installed Linux in Presario and partition forces to
re-install.
This is because that the Presario product line was developed for home
users utilizing Windows 95, 98, Me, 2000, and Windows XP Home operating
systems.
Linux is prim
> Just tell a friend and don't buy anymore. It's all you can do. :-)
I disagree. True, word of mouth is great, but a pointed letter to
HP/Compaq would definitely be in order.
Regards,
.
Randy
--
"This [the Bush regime] is the worst government the US has ever had in its
more than 200
On Thursday 27 January 2005 10:35 am, Travis Roy wrote:
> I see that you installed Linux in Presario and partition forces to
> re-install.
>
> This is because that the Presario product line was developed for home
> users utilizing Windows 95, 98, Me, 2000, and Windows XP Home operating
> systems.
>
On Thu, 2005-01-27 at 10:35, Travis Roy wrote:
> Here was the response I got from HP/Compaq about the issue:
Don't feel bad, I got very much the same response from them when I put
Win2k on one of their computers that had been 'designed' to run Win98.
Just tell a friend and don't buy anymore. It
My workplace got a workstation machine for our Manchester datacenter.
Just a computer for people that come to work in the facility to use if
they don't have a laptop or for testing and whatnot.
Anyway, I decided to dual boot the box with WinXP/Linux. After trying 3
different distributions of Linux
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