Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-30 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 01:26:22PM -0400, Michael Costolo wrote: I've never understood why giving laptops to kids who can't read or add would make them better at reading or math. Please go see reader Rabbit or Math Blaster in action with kids who are in Kindergarten through fourth grade. Then

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-30 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 09:04:14PM -0400, Paul Lussier wrote: If my kids didn't play with the physical ones, I'd have much less opportunity to play with that stuff myself :) And let me tell you, it's *FUN* to build big block towers with your kids and knock them down! [yes it is, and the

Re: Recycled computers

2006-05-30 Thread Dave Johnson
Ted Roche writes: Branching the One Laptop thread... On May 27, 2006, at 10:27 PM, David Ecklein wrote: I don't understand this fixation on laptops. These are commodities for the I would rather see an effort mounted to refurbish the many usable desktops that are going to the

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-30 Thread Michael Costolo
On 5/30/06, Jeff Kinz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 01:26:22PM -0400, Michael Costolo wrote: I've never understood why giving laptops to kids who can't read or add would make them better at reading or math. Please go see reader Rabbit or Math Blaster in action with kids who

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-30 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 10:01:52PM -0400, Fred wrote: Anyway, just to add my own $0.02, I don't see the $100 PC making much f a difference -- unless it can connect to the Internet. Otherwise the third world will be limited to whatever content and software their respective governments will

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-30 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 04:32:04PM -0400, Richard A Sharpe wrote: I'd support this project if it were to get a laptop in every household in the USA but third world I don't think so, let's start thinking about taking care of our own first the rest of the world. Mitt Romney has already

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-30 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 10:27:43PM -0400, David Ecklein wrote: I don't understand this fixation on laptops. These are commodities for the affluent, costing twice as much when new as desktops. They have far less upgrade capability, the screens are delicate and hard to repair, the mouse and

Re: Recycled computers

2006-05-30 Thread Heather Brodeur
Ted Roche wrote: At Hosstraders earlier this month, the sponsors had a trailer where they accepted discards for a group that made money salvaging the donations. Does anyone recall who that was? NH Disabled Veterans -Heather ___ gnhlug-discuss

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-30 Thread Heather Brodeur
David Ecklein wrote: Perhaps I am talking apples and oranges here, in an effort to introduce a note of skepticism. Does anyone have more detailed specs on these Model-T laptops that must be cranked? http://laptop.org/ I haven't been following the project closely, but attended a presentation

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-30 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 09:10:53AM -0400, Michael Costolo wrote: On 5/30/06, Jeff Kinz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 01:26:22PM -0400, Michael Costolo wrote: I've never understood why giving laptops to kids who can't read or add would make them better at reading or

OLPC ($100 laptop) FAQ

2006-05-30 Thread Jeff Kinz
FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS Nicholas Negroponte, chairman of One Laptop per Child, answers questions on the initiative. What is the $100 Laptop, really? The proposed $100 machine will be a Linux-based, with a dual-mode display- both a full-color, transmissive DVD mode, and a second display option

OLPC Special Design features:

2006-05-30 Thread Jeff Kinz
From: http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php/Hardware_specification What makes this system unique (relative to other systems called laptops)? The machine is designed for young children, primarily ages 6-12. A large fraction of such children are in parts of the developing world where electricity is

OLPC Hardware specs:

2006-05-30 Thread Jeff Kinz
From: http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php/Hardware_specification First Generation System Physical dimensions: * Dimensions: 193mm × 229mm × 64mm (as of 3/27/06—subject to change) * Weight: Less than 1.5 KG (target only—subject to change) * Configuration: Convertible laptop with

$100 Laptop MYTHS De-Mythtefied

2006-05-30 Thread Jeff Kinz
Great reading for people who think laptops are too expensive or will break or will need electricity http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php/OLPC_myths -- Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. Speech Recognition Technology was used to create this e-mail

Re: OLPC ($100 laptop) FAQ

2006-05-30 Thread Randy Edwards
An interesting thread. My background is in education and educational technology. In general I'm supportive of educational technology but am experienced enough and enough of a realist to have seen too much EdTech hype and countless dollars wasted. In reading the posted FAQ I was amazed

Re: OLPC ($100 laptop) FAQ

2006-05-30 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 12:41:34PM -0400, Randy Edwards wrote: In reading the posted FAQ I was amazed at this line: In one Cambodian village where we have been working, there is no electricity, thus the laptop is, among other things, the brightest light source in the home. So -

Why *I* want one of these $100 Laptops...

2006-05-30 Thread Brian Chabot
Well, enough people have posted about the political ramifications and what the project is about. Now I'd like to say why *I* want one. 1. It's cheap. Even at $300. 2. 400MHz/128MB/512MB is plenty for what I need a laptop to do. 3. It's got WiFi built in with mesh capabilities - Under Linux.

Re: OLPC ($100 laptop) FAQ

2006-05-30 Thread Ben Scott
On 5/30/06, Jeff Kinz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question: Does Cambodia really need to be spending its money on cheap but durable laptops imported from Taiwan? Its a heck of lot cheaper to make copies of bits than it is to make copies of paper. Neither of the above appear to be correct in

Re: OLPC ($100 laptop) FAQ

2006-05-30 Thread Randy Edwards
Or would the country's money be better spent buying the cheapest books possible (which could be produced in-country) and the difference invested in an electrical infrastructure? Since the difference would be zero dollars (it would actually cost MORE to provide the same texts in

Re: Why *I* want one of these $100 Laptops...

2006-05-30 Thread Ben Scott
On 5/30/06, Brian Chabot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just being a bit selfish here ... Not even that, necessarily. If a whole bunch of people buy these $100 laptops for $200 in the US, it would help fund the operation for those who truly cannot afford it. DISCLAIMER: This is not a vote in

Re: Why *I* want one of these $100 Laptops...

2006-05-30 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Tuesday 30 May 2006 2:38 pm, Ben Scott wrote: On 5/30/06, Brian Chabot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just being a bit selfish here ... Not even that, necessarily. If a whole bunch of people buy these $100 laptops for $200 in the US, it would help fund the operation for those who truly

Re: Why *I* want one of these $100 Laptops...

2006-05-30 Thread Ben Scott
On 5/30/06, Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 30 May 2006 2:38 pm, Ben Scott wrote: If a whole bunch of people buy these $100 laptops for $200 in the US, it would help fund the operation for those who truly cannot afford it. That is the same rationale the drug companies use

OLPC - eaten my homework

2006-05-30 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 02:34:56PM -0400, Ben Scott wrote: On 5/30/06, Jeff Kinz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question: Does Cambodia really need to be spending its money on cheap but durable laptops imported from Taiwan? Its a heck of lot cheaper to make copies of bits than it is to

Re: Why *I* want one of these $100 Laptops...

2006-05-30 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 02:59:38PM -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote: On Tuesday 30 May 2006 2:38 pm, Ben Scott wrote: Not even that, necessarily. If a whole bunch of people buy these $100 laptops for $200 in the US, it would help fund the operation for those who truly cannot afford it. That

Re: OLPC ($100 laptop) FAQ

2006-05-30 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 02:35:20PM -0400, Randy Edwards wrote: This fundamentally is an area of economics. We've seen that all vibrant economies since WWII have used exports to generate wealth. Japan, Germany, the Asian tigers, Chile, China, etc. have all used exports to grow while

Re: OLPC - eaten my homework

2006-05-30 Thread Ben Scott
On 5/30/06, Jeff Kinz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Books can rot or be damaged; so can equipment. I doubt there's any real data as to which would be more durable in the target environment. Lacking data, we can't say one way or the other. Given the number of times I've seen USB keys ... A

Re: OLPC ($100 laptop) FAQ

2006-05-30 Thread Randy Edwards
But, if you'll allow me to be selfish for a moment, one thing I like about the OLPC project is how much can be done with it in countries the the USA. I agree. Myself, I think the project's real potential is in first and second world countries. Frankly, as Ben stated, I think it's

Re: OLPC - eaten my homework

2006-05-30 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 04:22:01PM -0400, Ben Scott wrote: On 5/30/06, Jeff Kinz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Books can rot or be damaged; so can equipment. I doubt there's any real data as to which would be more durable in the target environment. Lacking data, we can't say one way or the

Re: OLPC ($100 laptop) FAQ

2006-05-30 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 05:13:52PM -0400, Randy Edwards wrote: But, if you'll allow me to be selfish for a moment, one thing I like about the OLPC project is how much can be done with it in countries the the USA. I agree. Myself, I think the project's real potential is in first and

Re: Liquid Cooling

2006-05-30 Thread hewitt_tech
The one place I've seen a fair bit of information on liquid cooling is a magazine called Maximum PC. They've had lot's of how-to articles and regularly compare the offerings from the vendors who make the kits. -Alex - Original Message - From: Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: Liquid Cooling

2006-05-30 Thread hewitt_tech
Try this link: http://www.maximumpc.com/reviews/casessff/ -Alex - Original Message - From: Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: Liquid Cooling I was thinking of trying out liquid cooling and wanted to ask if

Re: Liquid Cooling

2006-05-30 Thread Sean
hewitt_tech wrote: The one place I've seen a fair bit of information on liquid cooling is a magazine called Maximum PC. They've had lot's of how-to articles and regularly compare the offerings from the vendors who make the kits. -Alex Thanks Alex. I actually figured there would have been

Re: OLPC - eaten my homework

2006-05-30 Thread Ben Scott
On 5/30/06, Jeff Kinz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The cost of producing a good textbook, even if the licensing/royalties are zero, is very high. Source? Numbers? Hard data? Family in the biz. textbooks are a very different market that any other printed matter. They have stringently high

Re: Liquid Cooling

2006-05-30 Thread Ben Scott
On 5/30/06, Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually figured there would have been a few people here who would be using liquid cooling, but no responses. For whatever reason, the members of this group appear to tend towards a pragmatic bent, and/or are IT professionals. Liquid cooling is

Re: OLPC ($100 laptop) FAQ

2006-05-30 Thread Ben Scott
On 5/30/06, Jeff Kinz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And here in the US, the OLPC might -- hey, I said might! -- work to establish an affordable, de facto EdTech standard and break schools out of the marketing-driven/gee-whiz/gadget-minded mode that they've been in forever. No chance of that I'm

Re: Liquid Cooling

2006-05-30 Thread Dave Johnson
Ben Scott writes: On 5/30/06, Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually figured there would have been a few people here who would be using liquid cooling, but no responses. For whatever reason, the members of this group appear to tend towards a pragmatic bent, and/or are IT

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-30 Thread Bill Ricker
Please go see reader Rabbit or Math Blaster in action with kids who are in Kindergarten through fourth grade. Then it will be clear to you. Right on Jeff. My daughter loved Reader Rabbit. I credit Reader Rabbit and Harry Potter between them for my daughter being literate. Of course, this