Re: New Internet server - Getting the ball rolling
On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:26:42 -0500 Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What functions are those? 1, Email lists 2, Calendar 3. Basic web site CMS Anything else? Some type of Forum/Wiki? Moodle for supplying structured info on how use/install/configure linux/applications? Ed Lawson -- Edward E. Lawson, Esq. Lawson Persson, PC 67 Water Street, Suite 103 Laconia, NH 03246 Tel: 603-528-0036 FAX:603-528-3332 NOTICE REGARDING CONFIDENTIALITY AND ATTORNEY/CLIENT PRIVILEGE This message, including any attachments, is a PRIVATE communication which may contain attorney/client privileged material and is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use, or disclose to others. If you have received this message in error, please reply to sender and delete this message from your system. Thank you. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: New Internet server - Getting the ball rolling
On 2/8/06, Bruce Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: List created. Thanks! Ben: Please call me at [deleted] so I can give you the list password. Mailman mailed me the the list info and admin password when the list was created. One of the servers is being replaced - software and hardware - in early March. Its the server with the CentraLUG site on it. The server with the mailing list and TWiki will be replaced sometime afterwards - hopefully this summer. H. I believe TWiki is hosted on the same server as CentraLUG: www.centralug.org = 199.125.75.9 www.gnhlug.org = 199.125.75.9 wiki.gnhlug.org = 199.125.75.9 199.125.75.9 = hive.colo.mv.net mail.gnhlug.org = 199.125.75.14 199.125.75.14 = rogue.codemeta.com Does this mean we have to have the new server operational for web use before you replace hive in March? That's probably doable, but it will almost certainly mean the group project idea will have to be killed. That's the price I pay for procrastination, I guess. Thanks for setting up the info on the TWiki ... You're welcome. I hope to keep adding more info and keep the ball rolling. If I falter, everyone is welcome to harass me (more then usual, I mean). -- Ben ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: New Internet server - Getting the ball rolling
I'm cross-posting this to gnhlug-org and gnhlug-sysadmin, since -sysadmin hasn't had a chance to get people subscribed to it yet. On 2/8/06, Bruce Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really would like to get the new server operational (with the old stuff) before I swap out hive. Fair enough. We'll plan on that. Do you have a specific date for the hive swap over yet? Consequences of accelerating deployment of the new server: We won't have any general discussion on choice of distro. There isn't time for a flame war, or even a cultured debate. :-) Along the same lines, initially, the group project approach will have to be somewhat minimized. I had hoped we could tackle things in the manner of, What have to decide what to do about XYZ. What do people think?, and proceed towards consensus. (Unrealistic, perhaps, but likely to be interesting and educational.) Instead, early decisions will have to be made by the preferences of the person tackling the task, and we'll have to hope any real bad decisions (if any) get caught before we're too deep into them. On 2/8/06, Bruce Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I like the group project idea - maybe that can be done for GNHLUG V3? (V1 was the postnuke site, V2 was TWiki). Just get what we currently have running on the new server. Then change it. Well, certainly, going forward, I expect more and different things will be done by more and more people. We just won't be able to do that as much initially. Well, you might want to check out my additions! Ahhh. Indeed. :) -- Ben ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: New Internet server
On Oct 20, 2005, at 11:35 AM, Bill Sconce wrote: As when Bill (inevitably) says, Since this is GNHLUG, and we're about 'Free', our shining server needs to be... Debian? The first shot across the bow! Bill, there's no 'F' in GNHLUG g,dr Just as a counter-proposal, might not one of the vendors be interested in giving the group a FREE copy of their Enterprise Linux (with support and updates gratis) in exchange for a small discrete banner of thanks? Before we all start touting the clear superiority of a bunch of distros that all run the same binaries, might we not want to identify what we want to do with the box, what our parameters of security/ reliability/robustness/updatability/cutting-edge-access are, and then determine the distro (or the choice of building all from source) that best meets our needs? We could choose the Hummer first and then figure out how to get the kids to school in it, but going the other way 'round seems a bit more rational. Would you like butter with your popcorn? :) Please pass the salt, too! I love fireworks. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: New Internet server
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ted Roche wrote: | Before we all start touting the clear superiority of a bunch of | distros that all run the same binaries, might we not want to | identify what we want to do with the box, what our parameters of | security/ reliability/robustness/updatability/cutting-edge-access | are, and then determine the distro (or the choice of building all | from source) that best meets our needs? We could choose the Hummer | first and then figure out how to get the kids to school in it, | but going the other way 'round seems a bit more rational. I thoroughly agree. Let's decide on what the server needs to do, then decide on the distribution. | Would you like butter with your popcorn? :) | | Please pass the salt, too! I love fireworks. Do you like your popcorn air-popped, or kettle-popped? (Just a side-fireworks-show.) - --Bruce -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDV8uG/TBScWXa5IgRAtFYAJ4h85K5EcwgQ8ndPtWj4mgmkCUNuQCeLMiU va/Ixmw18CWc9wc4831ocgA= =+zzc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: New Internet server
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ted Roche wrote: | On Oct 18, 2005, at 5:42 PM, Ben Scott wrote: | | Okay, so assuming everybody likes the idea, the next question is, | how do we begin setting this up? I'd like this to be as much of a | group effort as possible. Partly because I'm not familiar with some | of the software we need, partly because I'm only one person, but | mostly because it's just the Right Thing to do. Aside from the | transparency aspect (I'm sure we're all aware of where I stand on | *that*), I think it could be a great learning experience for members | of the group, myself included. I'd like to see learning available to | others. | | It sounds like a call for interest on the -announce list. I would heartily recommend a brief message to the -discuss list instead of the -announce list that points them to an appropriate top-level/project page on the twiki. | I have no objection to posting the whole discussion to the main | -discuss list, maybe with a subject flag like [Web] or something. | However, others may object to the increased traffic. I find the | constant splintering of mailing lists more annoying than increased | traffic on a list. How many -discuss, -announce, -org, -jobs lists | do we need? We maybe could use the mailman topics feature, but only after we move the mailman lists to the new server (and the latest version of mailman that really supports topics). | Also, establish a page on the wiki off of which you can branch the | various discussions, plans, configurations. | | As far as calling for volunteers to help out, I'm contemplating just | posting an announcement to -discuss to see who might be interested. | What are people's thoughts on that? | | Post an announcement to... -announce. That repeats on -discuss also | and may bring in a few subscribers only on -announce. I don't think this is something appropriate for the -announce list, but I'm easy to overrule. People interested in helping out would be on the -discuss list anyway. You may want to post a synopsis of the discussion, or put all the mail messages into one (digest style) to sum up the situation for anyone interested in volunteering. - --Bruce -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDV/nQ/TBScWXa5IgRAvcnAJ0XRfzo5ctsUiqAWu8z1G1DS5D2TgCcCtt1 /T9GwhocKCol7r7estv91oc= =Wk+j -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: New Internet server
Roughly: 1. Call for volunteers on -discuss 2. Start a distro war* 3. Setup a list on the new server about server maintenance - anybody who changes anything should post to this list the changes _and make sure they get a copy of the message they just posted_. (I don't think server maintenance logs belong on the group-level organization list) *This server ought to be a shining city on a hill for Linux Done Right. Technologies, apps, security, etc. -Bill - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Pager: 603.442.1833 Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Text: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/ ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: New Internet server
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ben Scott wrote: |Hey all, | |BACKGROUND | | Currently, the GNHLUG websites and mailing lists (and some of the |local LUG stuff) are generously hosted on servers owned and operated |by Bruce Dawson's company, Codemeta. These servers also host |services for paying customers, so we have to be fairly careful to not |screw things up. That means security and configuration management and |all that stuff. | | As Bruce reminded me, I've got a server I'm willing to lend to the |cause of GNHLUG (even if that cause isn't that well defined :) ). MV |Communications in Manchester has generously agreed to host it for us. | |WHY | | There are two major benefits I see to this: | | One is that we can allow more people more access. Right now, only a |few GNHLUG people have shell access to anything. Fewer still (only |Bruce, I think) have privileged access. There is a [very small] cabal of people with root access - just in case I get hit by a bus or are otherwise uncommunicative. At least one of them are on the mailing lists. |If we have our own server, |the requirements for access can be lower, as it isn't somebody's |business that's on the line. This is not to say the root password |will be published on the TWiki; just that more people will be able to |help do stuff. This also means that critical maintenance of GNHLUG's |Internet infrastructure stops being *just* Bruce Dawson's problem. |I'm sure Bruce will appreciate that more then most. :) You betcha! One less boss to answer to! |... | What I'm not so sure about is how to actually approach the mechanics |of that collaboration. | | Obviously, a mailing list would be used for some of this. Should |that list be separate from this -org list? I'm not sure how much |traffic it would generate, but given the minutia that computers tend |to involve, maybe all the people on this -org list might want it |elsewhere. On the other hand, we're all pretty much computer geeks |(or we wouldn't be here), so maybe it is topical. For that matter, |should it be on -discuss? Start with what we have, expand it, and add new things? | As far as calling for volunteers to help out, I'm contemplating just |posting an announcement to -discuss to see who might be interested. |What are people's thoughts on that? Actually, I'd like to get the server up and operational before announcing it, but that's just how I feel. (There's no credibility gap for some monkey wrench to weasel into.) |MORE | | Additional discussion will no doubt occur at the summit thing this |Sunday. In the meantime, as always, I welcome comments, suggestions, |condemnations, flames, thoughts, vague notions, and incoherent |ramblings. :-) | |-- Ben If we had a server we could host the server mailing list on it Scott Haven't you been saying that for a lng time? ;-) - --Bruce -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDVXK//TBScWXa5IgRAnJOAKDE1uekSbG22fimFLdeVMgL1khA6wCgk3xu 3S2dacnmgmmGskkfx9jimT4= =hlgl -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: New Internet server
On 10/18/05, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Call for volunteers on -discuss That's what I'm leaning towards. If almost nobody is interested, that bypasses a lot of discussion. :) But I want to see what the rest of the cabal here think before I post to -discuss. 2. Start a distro war* No joke. I'm interested in having a discussion about choice of distro with any volunteers. I don't hold any illusions that we're all going to agree on what should be the The One True Linux Distribution. However, most distro wars occur in the context of the general case, which makes them mainly academic. Here we have a specific case, with specific parameters and goals. I'm curious as to how/if that will impact the discussion. Of course, at some point, we're going to have to actually pick one to install. In the interests of fairness and actually getting some real work done, I'm thinking it would be best to put a pre-established time limit of a week or two on any such discussion. Pragmatically, I suspect we'll end up going with whatever most people have the most experience with. If the whole thing dissolves into a flame-fest, we (for some definition of we) can always make the decision by fiat. 3. Setup a list on the new server about server maintenance Well, a lot of my questions/concerns/etc are about installation. The box will also be physically hosted someplace not easy to get to. So we have a chicken-and-egg problem there. So I'm looking to get some initial discussion about tech stuff before actual deployment of the new server. Eventually, it should be migrated there, of course. - anybody who changes anything should post to this list the changes and _make sure they get a copy of the message they just posted_. Good idea, there. Indeed, one of the things I'm most concerned with is coordination between many minds and hands. I know some on -discuss (Derek Martin, Paul Lussier, others) have experience in this area, and I'm hoping they'll have the time and inclination to join in. *This server ought to be a shining city on a hill for Linux Done Right. Technologies, apps, security, etc. My thoughts exactly. I'd love for this to create useful material that could be posted on a website. Goals, design, implementation, results, documentation, discussion, all that stuff. Hosted on said server, of course. -- Ben I wonder how many people will vote for SCO Linux? Scott ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: New Internet server
On 10/18/05, Bruce Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I'd like to get the server up and operational before announcing it, but that's just how I feel. (There's no credibility gap for some monkey wrench to weasel into.) See my reply to Bill M for why I prefer some advanced planning. I'll bring the physical unit to this Sunday's summit. I'll also write, print, and sign a letter of intent for GNHLUG to keep. Not that I think anyone here thinks I don't intend to go through with this, but I believe in doing things right, right from the start. :) | -- Ben If we had a server we could host the server mailing list on | it Scott Haven't you been saying that for a lng time? ;-) Hey, it's GNHLUG, ain't it? ;-) -- Ben As guilty as anybody Scott ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
