Orca on laptops.

2006-11-07 Thread Luke Yelavich
Hi all The topic of Orca on laptops has popped up many times in the past on the lists. So the Ubuntu Accessibility team, and the Orca team decided to get together and talk about it. We have several ideas as to what a good laptop keymap could be, but we would like to hear from you, the users of

Re: Orca on laptops.

2006-11-07 Thread Samuel Thibault
Luke Yelavich, le Wed 08 Nov 2006 06:21:58 +1100, a écrit : So what modifier key would you like to use for Orca? Couldn't this be just configurable? Samuel ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org

Re: Orca on laptops.

2006-11-07 Thread Joanmarie Diggs
So what modifier key would you like to use for Orca? Couldn't this be just configurable? I agree that this would make the most sense. As Luke pointed out, there are so many different layouts (not to mention so many different users). Is there a reason we need to select THE Orca modifier key?

Re: Orca on laptops.

2006-11-07 Thread Rich Burridge
Joanmarie Diggs wrote: So what modifier key would you like to use for Orca? Couldn't this be just configurable? I agree that this would make the most sense. As Luke pointed out, there are so many different layouts (not to mention so many different users). Is there a reason we

Re: Orca on laptops.

2006-11-07 Thread Bill Haneman
Samuel Thibault wrote: Bill Haneman, le Tue 07 Nov 2006 20:15:53 +, a écrit : AltGr is one that often gets forgotten; what about that? It does appear to be a modifier key on all the systems I am aware of. Yes, but it's widely used for typing ~, #, {, [, |, `, \, ^, @, ], },

Re: Orca on laptops.

2006-11-07 Thread Samuel Thibault
Bill Haneman, le Tue 07 Nov 2006 20:35:47 +, a écrit : Yes, but it's widely used for typing ~, #, {, [, |, `, \, ^, @, ], }, €, «, », œ, æ, ß, ... Agreed, but doesn't orca use arrow keys for many of its functions? I use altgr-arrows for producing ←→↑↓ :) I know there are lots of keys

Re: Orca on laptops.

2006-11-07 Thread Luke Yelavich
On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 07:35:47AM EST, Bill Haneman wrote: Agreed, but doesn't orca use arrow keys for many of its functions? I know there are lots of keys which AltGr doesn't appear to do anything with. I have never heard of AltGr. What key is this? -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE

Re: Orca on laptops.

2006-11-07 Thread Samuel Thibault
Luke Yelavich, le Wed 08 Nov 2006 07:43:42 +1100, a écrit : On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 07:35:47AM EST, Bill Haneman wrote: Agreed, but doesn't orca use arrow keys for many of its functions? I know there are lots of keys which AltGr doesn't appear to do anything with. I have never heard of

Re: Orca on laptops.

2006-11-07 Thread Luke Yelavich
On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 07:48:57AM EST, Samuel Thibault wrote: It is also known as right alt: that's the key just on the right side of the space bar. It is used for expending what can be typed on a keyboard. Mandatory for many (all?) non-english languages. Well I don't think that will be an

Re: Orca on laptops.

2006-11-07 Thread Bill Haneman
Luke Yelavich wrote: ... Well I don't think that will be an option, as some laptops don't have a right Alt, as far as I am aware, or I could be getting that mixed up with the right control key. I think you might have that confused, yes. Any non-English laptop would need AltGr for the

Re: Orca on laptops.

2006-11-07 Thread Joanmarie Diggs
Hi Bill. I guess one possible way to get out of the conflict situation would be to exclude ShiftLock from the orca modifier mask; But Might not ShiftLock be an ideal modifier key for some? I also think it would be preferable to have it as a modifier rather than as the key that makes

Re: Orca on laptops.

2006-11-07 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
There's nothing wrong with having sensible defaults, but I struggle to believe there is a set of magic bindings which work on all hardware. How about running a configuration program at Orca's first startup that would take information about the user's keyboard as input (the Ubuntu installer already

Re: Orca on laptops.

2006-11-07 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Samuel Thibault wrote: There's nothing wrong with having sensible defaults, but I struggle to believe there is a set of magic bindings which work on all hardware. Even on Apple Mac hardware ? The keyboard is really far from PC keyboards... Perhaps I wasn't clear. I'm saying that there

Re: Orca on laptops.

2006-11-07 Thread Joanmarie Diggs
Hi Bill. I am not sure I understand your point - or perhaps you are misunderstanding me. I suspect it's the former, but we'll see. :-) What I am suggesting is that we specifically _avoid_ using ShiftLock And what I am suggesting is that we specifically _allow_ using it (if possible).

Re: Orca on laptops.

2006-11-07 Thread Bill Haneman
Joanmarie Diggs wrote: Hi Bill. I am not sure I understand your point - or perhaps you are misunderstanding me. I suspect it's the former, but we'll see. :-) What I am suggesting is that we specifically _avoid_ using ShiftLock And what I am suggesting is that we

Re: Orca on laptops.

2006-11-07 Thread Willie Walker
Hi All: Just an FYI that there is a related RFE to allow customization of key and braille bindings for Orca: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354970 Will ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org

Accessability Interfaces

2006-11-07 Thread Ian Pascoe
Hi all Some thoughts that have been kind of troubling me over the past. There have been various postings in the past about compatability , or lack of it, with various applications. The most notable being that of Firefox just recently. In my ignorance, should the community be aiming to get

Re: Orca on laptops.

2006-11-07 Thread Cody Hurst
Why can't a selection of keyboard types be in the main prefs dialogue of orca? Have it part of the text setup. On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 21:48 +, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: Samuel Thibault wrote: There's nothing wrong with having sensible defaults, but I struggle to believe there is a