Re: GNOME 3.0 feedback and suggestions (for 3.2+)

2011-05-05 Thread Frederik Hertzum
tir, 03 05 2011 kl. 16:28 -0430, skrev Dokuro: On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Frederik Hertzum frederik.hert...@gmail.com wrote: Horizontal desktops missing: = snip ctrl+alt+up/down to change workspaces (virt

Re: Instant Message notifications

2011-05-05 Thread Elia Cogodi
What about a very small reminder in the bottom-right corner, a simple small number counter that tells me how many transient notifications were shown and hidden without interaction since the last time I opened the message tray? As soon as I open the message tray it's reset and disappears - until

Re: Instant Message notifications

2011-05-05 Thread Koppányi Tamás
this is a neat idea, but as before, i strongly suggest to move the whole notification bar orientation to the left side of the screen, so that iw ouldn't conflict with the scrollbars of fullscreen windows. the button to scroll down is hard to hit already since it's so close to the hot-corner, not

Re: Instant Message notifications

2011-05-05 Thread David Prieto
Koppányi, this is a neat idea, but as before, i strongly suggest to move the whole notification bar orientation to the left side of the screen, so that iw ouldn't conflict with the scrollbars of fullscreen windows. the button to scroll down is hard to hit already since it's so close to the

Re: Fwd: Instant Message notifications

2011-05-05 Thread Maciej Marcin Piechotka
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 10:08 +0200, Elia Cogodi wrote: After all, you can already left or middle click the scrollbar, drag it, mousewheel it. On a touch screen there will be inertial scrolling gestures, and for a11y the small arrow button is certainly not that great... Not everyone have mouse

wifi and bluetooth icons on the panel

2011-05-05 Thread Koppányi Tamás
Hi! I noticed that when installing gnome-shell from the Ubuntu ppa, there is no icon on the top panel for wifi and bluetooth, as there are in other editions (both openSuSe and Fedore, as i remember). I thought it was a Ubuntu specific issue, but i noticed that on screenshots made under Debian

Re: Designing Finding and Reminding

2011-05-05 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
On 2011-05-04 at 11:15, Colin Walters wrote: On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Federico Mena Quintero feder...@gnome.org wrote: Apps which don't deal in files don't use GtkRecentManager, and *those* do require changes to log to Zeitgeist directly.  Web browsers, IM clients, etc.  The

Re: wifi and bluetooth icons on the panel

2011-05-05 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
The network icon is just the old nm-applet if your distribution doesn't ship the latest NetworkManager, which is probably your case. You need to ensure nm-applet is started on login, else it won't be shown, just like in GNOME 2. Or just run it manually. (The Debian screenshot must have had the

Re: Designing Finding and Reminding

2011-05-05 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Le jeudi 05 mai 2011 à 10:20 +0100, Emmanuele Bassi a écrit : the fact that everyone uses the MIME instead of one of the applications that registered a URI in the list is just that nobody has done it because it's easier to use the default handler for the MIME type; In fact, the Shell

Re: Fwd: Instant Message notifications

2011-05-05 Thread Elia Cogodi
Sure, not everybody has touch screens, mouse wheels or touchpads with gestures, but... - AFAIK the trigger area for the message tray is 1 pixel high. Thus left and middle click on scroll bar should work ok as long as the user doesn't slam into the very bottom. - trouble seems to mostly arise

Re: Fwd: Instant Message notifications

2011-05-05 Thread Maciej Piechotka
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 11:41 +0200, Elia Cogodi wrote: Sure, not everybody has touch screens, mouse wheels or touchpads with gestures, but... - AFAIK the trigger area for the message tray is 1 pixel high. Thus left and middle click on scroll bar should work ok as long as the user doesn't

Re: Designing Finding and Reminding

2011-05-05 Thread seiflo...@googlemail.com
On Thursday, May 5, 2011, Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com wrote: On 2011-05-04 at 11:15, Colin Walters wrote: On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Federico Mena Quintero feder...@gnome.org wrote: Apps which don't deal in files don't use GtkRecentManager, and *those* do require changes to log

Re: Designing Finding and Reminding

2011-05-05 Thread Seif Lotfy
Well you can do that with Zeitgeist. Since we NEVER overwrite timestamps but rather add new we can always tell you which app you used to modify it recently/frequenty as well as which app you used to view the file recently/frequently. I mean we already offer the perfect infrastructure for these

Starting an app on another workspace? [Was: GNOME 3.0 feedback and suggestions (for 3.2+)]

2011-05-05 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
tir, 03 05 2011 kl. 16:28 -0430, skrev Dokuro: so grabbing the app icon and moving it to the workspace you want and then using ctrl+alt+up/down does not work for you, because you need more rows in order to navigate them easier? Huh. Should that work? I'm in the activity view, so I see

Re: GNOME 3.0 feedback and suggestions (for 3.2+)

2011-05-05 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 08:41 +0200, Frederik Hertzum wrote: tir, 03 05 2011 kl. 16:28 -0430, skrev Dokuro: On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Frederik Hertzum frederik.hert...@gmail.com wrote: Horizontal desktops missing:

Re: Starting an app on another workspace? [Was: GNOME 3.0 feedback and suggestions (for 3.2+)]

2011-05-05 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Le jeudi 05 mai 2011 à 09:00 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams a écrit : Huh. Should that work? I'm in the activity view, so I see the tiled apps of the current workstation, the left hand applications bar [what is the official name of that thing] and on the right hand the tiled workspaces. I grab

We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Denys Vlasenko
I just installed F15 (Rawhide). It uses Gnome 3. I resisted the temptation to switch to Fallback mode, because quick googling showed me that Fallback mode will be phased out in not-so-distant future. Therefore I am using the new interface. My general impression as a user is negative. A lot of

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Denys Vlasenko dvlas...@redhat.com wrote: I just installed F15 (Rawhide). It uses Gnome 3. I resisted the temptation to switch to Fallback mode, because quick googling showed me that Fallback mode will be phased out in not-so-distant future. Therefore I am

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Denys Vlasenko
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 08:30 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Denys Vlasenko dvlas...@redhat.com wrote: To facilitate a more productive discussion, I will limit my rants^W feedback to one per email. So, here it goes:

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Micah Carrick
I too was put off by this initially. But, as was mentioned. give it a try and you may find you don't need it. I typically have a dozen applications going for work and I have adapted quite quickly. Took me about 4 days. That being said, I think it would be crazy not to have a good taskbar

Slow search in Gnome-shell

2011-05-05 Thread Erick Pérez
Hi everyone: First thought: I installed Gnome-Shell from archlinux a few days a go, and was after a clean pc install, I tried the search ability of the shell and all looks fine, but after a while I notice it started to slow down itself. After that I update my laptop to gnome3 using gnome-shell

Re: Starting an app on another workspace? [Was: GNOME 3.0 feedback and suggestions (for 3.2+)]

2011-05-05 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
The specification that applications have to support is called startup-notification. http://standards.freedesktop.org/startup-notification-spec/startup-notification-latest.txt On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.orgwrote: On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 15:11 +0200,

Re: Slow search in Gnome-shell

2011-05-05 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
2011/5/5 Erick Pérez erick@gmail.com Hi everyone: First thought: I installed Gnome-Shell from archlinux a few days a go, and was after a clean pc install, I tried the search ability of the shell and all looks fine, but after a while I notice it started to slow down itself. After

Re: Slow search in Gnome-shell

2011-05-05 Thread Erick Pérez
This was omitted in gnome-shell 3.0 because of time constraints. This is top priority for 3.2: https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointOne/Features/FindingAndReminding In the mean time, I'll try to write an extension for it BTW: For the developers, the performance is awesome, and the shell is super

Re: Slow search in Gnome-shell

2011-05-05 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Le jeudi 05 mai 2011 à 12:24 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre a écrit : Do we do a linear scan of the things GtkRecentManager, looking for a string match? Hopefully we can switch over to sqlite or whatever Zeitgeist uses then. String matching doesn't take seconds, even on thousands of files, does it?

Re: Slow search in Gnome-shell

2011-05-05 Thread Erick Pérez
Erick, what exact version of the Shell are you using? A bug was fixed recently about entries being created for all results, even the ones not being shown. It could be that bug. System Settings System Info Gnome Version 3.0.1 and pacman -Qi gnome-shell is: version 3.0.1 Erick -- El derecho

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Florian Müllner
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 13:05 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Assigning a hot key for the activity view helps [I mapped Windows+Space, like GNOME-Do used to use] then if I need to I can pop in an out of that view without using the odd [I still find it odd] gesture/position scheme. Just out of

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Denys Vlasenko
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 13:03 -0400, G. Michael Carter wrote: When F15 is release we should put this DL on auto-reply. So many of these I don't like Gnome 3 e-mails and they all end the same way. Does it ring some sort of bell when you receive 'many I don't like Gnome 3 e-mails'? The key word

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 19:22 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 13:03 -0400, G. Michael Carter wrote: When F15 is release we should put this DL on auto-reply. So many of these I don't like Gnome 3 e-mails and they all end the same way. Does it ring some sort of bell when you

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 19:17 +0200, Florian Müllner wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 13:05 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Assigning a hot key for the activity view helps [I mapped Windows+Space, like GNOME-Do used to use] then if I need to I can pop in an out of that view without using the

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Denys Vlasenko
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 13:25 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 19:22 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 13:03 -0400, G. Michael Carter wrote: When F15 is release we should put this DL on auto-reply. So many of these I don't like Gnome 3 e-mails and

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 13:26 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 19:17 +0200, Florian Müllner wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 13:05 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Assigning a hot key for the activity view helps [I mapped Windows+Space, like GNOME-Do used to use] then if

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 19:22 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote: I've seen the lack of a menu come up so many times What does it tell to a developer when he sees the same complaint coming up again and again? That negative reaction to change is common. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread G. Michael Carter
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Denys Vlasenko dvlas...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 13:25 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 19:22 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 13:03 -0400, G. Michael Carter wrote: When F15 is release we should put

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Thanasis Georgiou
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 10:31 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 19:22 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote: I've seen the lack of a menu come up so many times What does it tell to a developer when he sees the same complaint coming up again and again? That negative reaction

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Brent Foor
Damn it gnome 3 developers. Because of you I'm getting work done faster and spending less time dicking around with my computer everyday. I know your thinking oh well we did our job then Well maybe you did it a little too well. What would have normally taken me all day is getting done in two hours.

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Denys Vlasenko
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 10:31 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 19:22 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote: I've seen the lack of a menu come up so many times What does it tell to a developer when he sees the same complaint coming up again and again? That negative reaction to

RE: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Mark Curtis
Subject: Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please. From: dvlas...@redhat.com To: awill...@redhat.com Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 19:47:47 +0200 CC: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 10:31 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 19:22 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Denys Vlasenko dvlas...@redhat.com wrote: Is it a policy of Gnome Desktop to shoehorn users into fixed UI style instead of offering them reasonable choice? What next, hardwired window title color and size? -- There is no policy as such. As I said earlier,

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread G. Michael Carter
I keep doing that... forgetting to hit reply-all, let's try again: Here's a thought. What about a dialog welcome box for the first users. (have a check box to go away forever) Then have links or info on how to use Gnome 3? Maybe a video giving a quick tutorial? Tips of the day? Then it

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 10:48 -0700, Micah Carrick wrote: I'll give you a quick answer to that... When we first switch to GNOME 3, many of us did not realize we were not upgrading, but switching to a completely new beast. I actually had to take a day off work to comb the internet learning about

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Tim Murphy
On 5 May 2011 18:55, Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 10:48 -0700, Micah Carrick wrote: I'll give you a quick answer to that... When we first switch to GNOME 3, many of us did not realize we were not upgrading, but switching to a completely new beast. I

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Denys Vlasenko
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 10:48 -0700, Micah Carrick wrote: I'll give you a quick answer to that... When we first switch to GNOME 3, many of us did not realize we were not upgrading, but switching to a completely new beast. This is ...interesting. Perhaps in new release of busybox I'll switch dd

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Tim Murphy tnmur...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 May 2011 18:55, Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 10:48 -0700, Micah Carrick wrote: I'll give you a quick answer to that... When we first switch to GNOME 3, many of us did not

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Denys Vlasenko dvlas...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 10:08 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Denys Vlasenko dvlas...@redhat.com wrote: Is it a policy of Gnome Desktop to shoehorn users into fixed UI

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Denys Vlasenko dvlas...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 13:03 -0400, G. Michael Carter wrote: When F15 is release we should put this DL on auto-reply. So many of these I don't like Gnome 3 e-mails and they all end the same way. Does it ring some

Visualization ideas for starting applications

2011-05-05 Thread Florian Kuhnt
Hello guys! Inspired by Starting an app on another workspace I got some ideas. The following should be understood as design ideas without any idea of how to implement them. At the moment you can drag an application to a target workspace and then you have to wait until the application is loaded

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 20:29 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote: I'm a systems administrator I have a ton of windows open, I used to use the taskbar, and I don' and it's been okay for me. While something was taken away, Why something has to be taken away? I mean, unconditionally? There is a

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Tim Murphy
On 5 May 2011 19:29, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Tim Murphy tnmur...@gmail.com wrote: There are hidden negatives too - the linux users in my office, for example, tried it and gave up or gave it no chance at all -  they are using XFCE or just

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Tim Murphy tnmur...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 May 2011 19:29, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Tim Murphy tnmur...@gmail.com wrote: There are hidden negatives too - the linux users in my office, for example, tried

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
Boy i wish I read my responses more carefully.. my English is generally better than this :P sri On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Tim Murphy tnmur...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 May 2011 19:29, Sriram Ramkrishna

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Tim Murphy
On 5 May 2011 21:44, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: Boy i wish I read my responses more carefully.. my English is generally better than this :P sri Please don't worry on my account - my fingers tend to write whole words that my brain did not specify or miss out ones that it did

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Tim Murphy tnmur...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 May 2011 21:44, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: Boy i wish I read my responses more carefully.. my English is generally better than this :P sri Please don't worry on my account - my fingers tend to

Managing Extensions.

2011-05-05 Thread G. Michael Carter
I was just going to suggest a extension manager in the system tools area... then thought... I guess we already have one for enable/disabling gnome-shell-extensions. It's called PackageKit. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Ryan Peters
Somebody needs to take this thread out back behind the shed and put a bullet through it's head for the good of humanity, so I volunteer to do so. Denys, GNOME 3 is a radical change and you have a right to be upset, but your responses have been rather rude. Asserting that the designers made

Re: Managing Extensions.

2011-05-05 Thread John Stowers
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 17:06 -0400, G. Michael Carter wrote: I was just going to suggest a extension manager in the system tools area... then thought... I guess we already have one for enable/disabling gnome-shell-extensions. It's called PackageKit. Chances are high that I will add a UI for

Re: on suspend

2011-05-05 Thread Allan E. Registos
On Wednesday, 04 May, 2011 09:53 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: If suspend does not work: 1. The hardware/kernel/whatever should not advertise it as such I've already outlined a way to detect such cases and override it 2. The bug*has* to be reported and get fixed Suspend is basically a repeat of:

Re: on suspend

2011-05-05 Thread Allan E. Registos
On Wednesday, 04 May, 2011 09:57 PM, Bidossessi SODONON wrote: I believe that in Vista as well, the shutdown button was relegated to a less accessible position in favour of Suspend. I agree that it makes more sense for laptop users than desktops, but suspend being the next best thing to the

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Allan E. Registos
On Friday, 06 May, 2011 02:37 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: As someone mentioned earlier, there are extensions that can put a taskbar on your screen or you can use any number of third party apps like Docky or AWN that can give you similar features. My GNOME 3 setup still runs docky because

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 08:01 +0800, Allan E. Registos wrote: On Friday, 06 May, 2011 01:54 AM, G. Michael Carter wrote: That's the best thing to do and will certainly reduced people complaining the same thing (No taskbar, no min/max, no power-off, crap notifications, etc.) Eh? Seriously?

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread G. Michael Carter
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.orgwrote: On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 08:01 +0800, Allan E. Registos wrote: On Friday, 06 May, 2011 01:54 AM, G. Michael Carter wrote: That's the best thing to do and will certainly reduced people complaining the same thing

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread G. Michael Carter
Nice help page. Just having a look at it for the first time. Ummm wonder if that's bad... Using Gnome-Shell for over a month now and only now noticing the help pages... [?] Maybe there's an idea. Have a check box in the help page to open at startup. Then the user can de-select it. (or is

Narrative for Finding and Reminding

2011-05-05 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
It's Monday, your first school day after a short vacation from the Easter holiday. Before vacation, you had been working on writing several reports about your recent field research on the coiling habits of the boa constrictor. After blowing away a thin layer of dust from your computer (what's

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Allan E. Registos
Adam: Does your GNOME Shell environment provides a Welcome to Your New Desktop kind of thing and then points to gnome3.org for tutorial videos? I am just responding to a post that suggests a Welcome dialog box in a freshly installed distro with GNOME Shell as the desktop. Does the stable

Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please.

2011-05-05 Thread Allan E. Registos
- Original Message - From: Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Sent: Friday, May 6, 2011 9:44:03 AM Subject: Re: We want task bar back. Pretty please. On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 08:01 +0800, Allan E. Registos wrote: On Friday, 06 May, 2011 01:54