On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 22:12 -0400, G. Michael Carter wrote:
Nice help page. Just having a look at it for the first time. Ummm
wonder if that's bad... Using Gnome-Shell for over a month now and
only now noticing the help pages...
Fantastic; I didn't know it had help pages either [although I
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 10:26 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Denys Vlasenko dvlas...@redhat.com
wrote:
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 13:03 -0400, G. Michael Carter wrote:
When F15 is release we should put this DL on auto-reply.
So many of
Le vendredi 06 mai 2011 à 13:37 +0200, Denys Vlasenko a écrit :
I don't like disruptive innovation when it is not presented as an
option, but showed down my throat by force.
Tell me, how the particular bit of innovation which removed the
possibility to have app launch icons in top panes is
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 13:20 +0800, Allan E. Registos wrote:
Adam:
Does your GNOME Shell environment provides a Welcome to Your New
Desktop kind of thing and then points to gnome3.org for tutorial
videos?
No. I don't recall a splash screen.
I am just responding to a post that suggests a
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 13:51 +0200, Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote:
Le vendredi 06 mai 2011 à 13:37 +0200, Denys Vlasenko a écrit :
I don't like disruptive innovation when it is not presented as an
option, but showed down my throat by force.
Tell me, how the particular bit of innovation which
Le vendredi 06 mai 2011 à 14:06 +0200, Denys Vlasenko a écrit :
Fallback mode *is* going to die in one of the next releases.
At least that's the stated plan.
Pointers?
I don't remember hearing anybody saying the panel would die, and now
that it's got rid of all deprecated dependencies, there's
I'm trying to use gnome-tweak-tool.
The window cannot be resized (size changed) and in the Shell panel the
options overrun the right side of the window [and are thus not
accessible].
gnome-tweak-tool-3.0.3-1.1.noarch
openSUSE 11.4 using the GNOME:STABLE:3.0 repo.
attachment: Screenshot-Tweak
I was wondering about the Alt+[key above Tab, usually `], i read
about
it, but it doesnt work here (german keyboard german language setting,
self compiled shell on ubuntu natty).
Same here (german language, Natty, Gnome Shell from PPA).
However you can still navigate between multiple
Hi,
there is a fix for that:
edit /usr/share/gnome-tweak-tool/shell.ui
property name=resizableTrue/property
and it should work.
http://blog.fpmurphy.com/2011/03/customizing-the-gnome-3-shell.html
cheers Phil
2011/5/6 Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org
I'm trying to use
On Fri, May 06, 2011 at 02:06:07PM +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
Fallback mode *is* going to die in one of the next releases.
Regarding fallback mode:
- there's no promise as to active development
- but it should still run fine and at least critical bugs should get fixed
- no plan to remove it
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 08:18 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
The window cannot be resized (size changed) and in the Shell panel the
options overrun the right side of the window [and are thus not
accessible].
I suppose gnome-tweak-tool is modeled after System Settings (and thus is
not
Yeah perfect, thnx it was deactivated! (alt + [key above tab])
now this works like a charm !
2011/5/6 Aurélien Naldi aurelien.na...@gmail.com
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Marc Fouquet marc.fouq...@gmx.de wrote:
I was wondering about the Alt+[key above Tab, usually `], i read
about
Hi:
Don't know well where to send a patach for this, so I'm trying here.
I installed gnome-shell-extensions from the git repo, and I notice
that alternative-status-menu weren't working at al,, so yesterday, I
managed to fix it, and here it's the patch. I still don't understand
how noone notice
In Gnome 3, some popup windows are no longer movable -
they are centered just below parent window's titlebar
and can't be moved - if you try to drag them, you drag
them *together with their parent window*.
Which means that if this popup window happens to cover
some part of parent window which you
As I promised, one issue per email.
In Gnome 2, I put my often-used apps on the top bar,
which made it *very* easy to launch them.
Gnome 3 implements it differently, as Favorites.
But for some reason, Favorites are not on the main
screen, they need to be accessed via Expose.
Since top bar
On 05/06/2011 06:37 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 17:36 -0500, Ryan Peters wrote:
Somebody needs to take this thread out back behind the shed and put a
bullet through it's head for the good of humanity, so I volunteer to do so.
Denys, GNOME 3 is a radical change and you have
I just asked this question the other day:
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/2011-May/msg00116.html
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/2011-May/msg00116.htmlYou
can disable it in Gconf: /desktop/gnome/shell/windows/attach_modal_dialogs
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 6:27 AM,
I've been taskbar free for 4 years. I use workspaces wisely and would never
want any taskbar ever again. People really need to hold their tongue if
they have something bad to say and had to subscribe to a list that many
people are on and have talked about issues for years.
If you don't like it,
Federico,
thanks for that very readable write-up of what the future of 'finding and
reminding' could look like! This is exactly what I need for my day-to-day
work. I looking forward to your mock-ups.
Jasper,
everyone who is so well-organised (and has the time to keep things so neatly
Helloy Denys,
please read the GNOME 3 design document first before sending so many mails
in a row. I think all your questions will be answered here:
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design
Greets,
Chris
2011/5/6 Denys Vlasenko dvlas...@redhat.com
In Gnome 3, some popup windows are no longer
Hi All,
First, I'd like to say that I really like the Gnome3 shell. It was
definitely a surprise at first, but it's gotten to be very intuitive. In
fact, I recently installed Ubuntu Natty Narwhal to try out their new Unity
interface, and I found it to be slow, clunky, and poorly integrated in
That way they are much bigger, and thus easier to reach.
Hey, that one was easy :-D
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On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 09:47 -0500, Matthew Planchard wrote:
First, I'd like to say that I really like the Gnome3 shell.
Me too.
It was definitely a surprise at first, but it's gotten to be very
intuitive.
Same experience.
feature is probably my favorite thing, and I just discovered that
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 09:47 -0500, Matthew Planchard wrote:
My idea is that since Gnome3 already has a clickable application icon
on the top bar that opens a menu with a close option, why not just
go ahead and insert the entire program menu? This would increase
visible screen space for the
Hi Matthew
if I am not completely mistaken, this has been discussed and rejected
several times on this list.
However, if there would be a voting for such feature. I would go for
this topbar menu thing.
I for myself run Gnome3 at home and unity on my business machine. And at
the beginning they
Florian,
There are some efforts on the design side though to come up with a
replacement for menu bars (think menu button in Firefox/Chromium).
See https://live.gnome.org/Design/Whiteboards/Menus for reference.
Wow, the mega
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 10:02 -0500, Justin Edwards wrote:
Why why why why. Rtfm and stop trolling.
I already read the said manual.
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On 05/06/2011 08:46 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
Since top bar still exists, and the place where icons used to be
now is not used for anything, what about making it possible
to have Favorites *there*
There are a lot of different screen sizes; some are big and some are
very small. GNOME 3 wants to
://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/attachments/20110506/68f7aca0/attachment.html
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Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 16:48:40 +0200
From: David Prieto frandavid...@gmail.com
To: Denys Vlasenko dvlas...@redhat.com
Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 18:00 -0500, Justin Edwards wrote:
I've been taskbar free for 4 years. I use workspaces wisely and would
never want any taskbar ever again. People really need to hold their
tongue if they have something bad to say and had to subscribe to a
list that many people are on
Denys,
Having suddenly to learn a new UI is not what I planned to do this
weekend. I have some other work to do.
You do realize that you've spent more time complaining on the ML than it
would have taken you to learn the new UI, right?
It certainly doesn't look like you have other work to do.
Hi:
I'm trying to write a extension for Gnome Shell but is painfully slow,
cause I haven't any API, or hooks list, or events fired, or something
like that, and the process it's like a try and test. Can anyone point
in any direction here ?
Thxs Erick
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On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 18:51 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
I never said it was. If you want a viable, long term choice then I'd
HIGHLY suggest to stop upgrading your Fedora install
How viable for me.
s/How/Not/
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On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 09:33 -0500, Ryan Peters wrote:
Expecting GNOME 3 to be the same as every
other OS is unrealistic; GNOME 3 is not a straightforward upgrade from
GNOME 2 and requires re-training. I thought that was understood.
For me, Gnome 3 appears as part of Fedora 13-15 upgrade.
I
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 11:04 -0500, Ryan Peters wrote:
On 05/06/2011 08:46 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
Since top bar still exists, and the place where icons used to be
now is not used for anything, what about making it possible
to have Favorites *there*
There are a lot of different screen
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Denys Vlasenko dvlas...@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 09:33 -0500, Ryan Peters wrote:
Expecting GNOME 3 to be the same as every
other OS is unrealistic; GNOME 3 is not a straightforward upgrade from
GNOME 2 and requires re-training. I thought that
On 05/06/2011 11:16 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
On my previous installation - Fedora 13 - it was Gnome 2.
I just installed Fedora 15 and it uses Gnome 3. Oops.
Having suddenly to learn a new UI is not what I planned to do this
weekend. I have some other work to do.
If you don't want to learn a
If you don't want to leave the overview you can just drag each app you
want to launch.
It hardly takes longer than clicking, I can probably launch 4 apps in
my dash in about 3 seconds
- hit windows key
- drag icon 1
- drag icon 2
- drag icon 3
- click icon 4
If I'm really organized it will take
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 18:51 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
Explaining:
Now I need to move it upwards, then downwards.
If I want to start four apps in a row, which I do every day in the
morning, I can't go up and click-click-click-click, I need to
go up, go down and click,
go up, go down and
Denys,
How this would be different if basically the same Favorites IU element
would, say, slide down from, or enlarges the top of the screen,
when mouse is moved there? Imagine small Favorites thingy situated
to the right from Activities in the upper left corner...
First, weren't you the one
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 11:04 -0500, Ryan Peters wrote:
On 05/06/2011 08:46 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
Since top bar still exists, and the place where icons used to be
now is not used for anything, what about making it possible
to have Favorites *there*
There are a lot of different screen
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 13:30 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote:
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Denys Vlasenko dvlas...@redhat.com
wrote:
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 09:33 -0500, Ryan Peters wrote:
Expecting GNOME 3 to be the same as every
other OS is unrealistic; GNOME 3 is
What about writing the dock extension so it's a button like the places or
drive menu. That way people can get their Menu sort of speak with out
interfering with the design.
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Ryan Peters slosh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On 05/06/2011 08:46 AM, Denys Vlasenko
On 05/06/2011 01:38 PM, G. Michael Carter wrote:
What about writing the dock extension so it's a button like the places
or drive menu. That way people can get their Menu sort of speak
with out interfering with the design.
While that sounds nice, it duplicates the features GNOME 3 already has.
On 05/06/2011 08:32 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
In Gnome 3, some popup windows don't have [x]
close button at the top right corner.
I need to find and click [Cancel] button instead.
See the attached screenshot.
Why?
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On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 12:37 -0500, Ryan Peters wrote:
On 05/06/2011 11:16 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
On my previous installation - Fedora 13 - it was Gnome 2.
I just installed Fedora 15 and it uses Gnome 3. Oops.
Having suddenly to learn a new UI is not what I planned to do this
weekend.
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 11:07 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 18:51 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
Explaining:
Now I need to move it upwards, then downwards.
If I want to start four apps in a row, which I do every day in the
morning, I can't go up and
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 14:05 -0500, Ryan Peters wrote:
On 05/06/2011 08:32 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
In Gnome 3, some popup windows don't have [x]
close button at the top right corner.
I need to find and click [Cancel] button instead.
See the attached screenshot.
Why?
Because it's
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 20:13 +0200, David Prieto wrote:
How this would be different if basically the same Favorites IU
element
would, say, slide down from, or enlarges the top of the
screen,
when mouse is moved there? Imagine small Favorites thingy
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 14:05 -0500, Ryan Peters wrote:
On 05/06/2011 08:32 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
In Gnome 3, some popup windows don't have [x]
close button at the top right corner.
I need to find and click [Cancel] button instead.
See the attached screenshot.
Why?
Because it's
Sorry I was referring to the Favorites. I read the subject line.
I agree that it would be a duplicate but extensions are more add-ons for
people to have choice. In any case if the Gnome developers don't like
it... there's no reason a third party (like the fedora team) couldn't write
one. [?]
Gnome 3 plays nicely with on screen launchers.
Justin Edwards
TeleLanguage Inc,
Network Administrator
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Denys Vlasenko dvlas...@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 20:13 +0200, David Prieto wrote:
How this would be different if basically the same
Denys,
If you talk to any group of people (grouped by a practice or philosophy)
and say what their practice is unacceptable. Prepare to be treated in a
way that is unacceptable.
Your language came in a way that was insulting, so people respond
accordingly. If this is your only machine and you
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 21:19 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 11:07 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 18:51 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
Explaining:
Now I need to move it upwards, then downwards.
If I want to start four apps in a row, which I
hi!
there seems to be a persistent problem with screen backlight setting under
gnome3. even if the correct backlight leves are set in power management, the
shell ignores these, and alwyas sets the backlight to maximum when on AC
power, and minimum when on battery. is there any workaround for
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 13:24 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 21:19 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 11:07 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 18:51 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
Explaining:
Now I need to move it upwards, then
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 22:46 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 13:24 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 21:19 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 11:07 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 18:51 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
Also for terminal, this is my favorite behavior.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilda_(software)
Justin Edwards
Telelanguage Inc
Network Manager
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Adam Tauno Williams
awill...@whitemice.orgwrote:
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 22:46 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
On Fri,
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Denys Vlasenko dvlas...@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 18:25 +0200, David Prieto wrote:
Denys,
Having suddenly to learn a new UI is not what I planned to do
this
weekend. I have some other work to do.
You do realize
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 22:39 +0200, Koppányi Tamás wrote:
there seems to be a persistent problem with screen backlight setting
under gnome3. even if the correct backlight leves are set in power
management, the shell ignores these, and alwyas sets the backlight to
maximum when on AC power, and
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 15:46, Denys Vlasenko dvlas...@redhat.com wrote:
Trying.
Alt-F1, click - Expose closes, app #1 launches.
Need to open Expose again, so:
Alt-F1, click - Expose closes, app #2 launches.
Alt-F1, click - Expose closes, app #3 launches.
Alt-F1, click - Expose
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 15:51, Denys Vlasenko dvlas...@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 18:25 +0200, David Prieto wrote:
Denys,
Having suddenly to learn a new UI is not what I planned to do
this
weekend. I have some other work to do.
You do realize
Like first I have to admit two things. I only tried livecd release so
some gripes might not even be valid and gnome-shell is the best desktop
experience so far. Can't wait for F15 (to my sadness fedora publishes
other rpm repos only after release and I really don't plan on compiling
everything I
Another feature i didnt know, and i use gnome for 3 years now !
tnx a lot!
Cheers phil
2011/5/6 Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 22:46 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 13:24 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 21:19 +0200,
Today I updated to GNOME 3 with GNOME Shell, and after a while I noticed
that some of my keybindings, made via xbindkeys, didn't work anymore --
namely the key combinations that involved a Mod4 (the Super_L, or
Windows logo key). In GNOME Shell, the Windows Logo key alone is bound
to the desktop
Had I searched for just one more couple of minutes, I would have found
this question at SuperUser:
http://superuser.com/questions/278999/problem-mapping-keyboard-shortcuts-in-gnome3
I got my shortcuts to work doing what is described there (mapping Left
Win key to Meta under 'Region and
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Denys Vlasenko dvlas...@redhat.com wrote:
Trying.
Alt-F1, click - Expose closes, app #1 launches.
Need to open Expose again, so:
Alt-F1, click - Expose closes, app #2 launches.
Alt-F1, click - Expose closes, app #3 launches.
Alt-F1, click - Expose closes, app
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 5:26 AM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote:
These four apps are: Firefox, Evolution, Xchat2 and terminal.
I don't want to launch and terminal every time 100% of time.
I do it when I came *to work*. I don't do it at home.
This is a perfect example of why
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 06:10 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
If someone is shocked by GNOME3 or claims they don't know the
reasoning for the changes - they did not take any time at all to go
look
[so not knowing is a rather inevitable condition]. So anyone coming
here [Hey, they found this
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 13:37 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
In
addition, your claim that GNOME gives users no choice is
incredibly
false: you can enable Forced Fallback mode in System Settings to a
GNOME
2-like UI which is meant for setups that cannot run the new GNOME 3.
Wrong.
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 18:51 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
I never said it was. If you want a viable, long term choice then
I'd
HIGHLY suggest to stop upgrading your Fedora install
How viable for me. How can I develop software for Fedora if I don't
upgrade my Fedora? Developing includes
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 19:01 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
The dock for the favorites list is just as fast
to reach (especially if you use the Windows/Super key)
It definitely isn't as fast. Yes, it's not hard to reach,
but in Gnome 2 it was even *more easy*: one mouse movement
and one
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