On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Dimitris M. dimitri...@yahoo.gr wrote:
Hi,
My opinions on Gnome Shell:
Window management is atrocious (see below).
1. No minimize button (I can't even mention the number of times I have
cursed you for this, so far...).
2. Switching between widows is PAINFUL.
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Adam Tauno Williams
awill...@whitemice.org wrote:
Minimizing is pretty much an obsolete notion.
Software exist to serve the users' needs. I need minimizing.
Adding a minimize button would go against the whole design since the
windows don't have a place to go
2011/6/19 Job job...@gmail.com:
Its a really minority that are happy.
[citation needed]
ciao,
Emmanuele.
i can provide statistics from one distribution.. Archlinux - 4.57% of
users have gnome-shell installed. you can have a look at the
statistics. they are under 'extra', you will have to
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 10:18 +0300, Pasha R wrote:
I believe the number of people that need minimizing vastly outnumber
those who don't.
I don't believe anyone needs minimizing. Why are you minimizing windows?
Windows can go to the back of the stack - where they interfere with nothing
- or
On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 20:00 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
Where is the global recent document list, please? Is it gone?
I'm running Fedora 15. if there's anything specific to the
implementation of which anyone's aware?
On F15 it works fine for me for recently used files. I don't believe a
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Adam Tauno Williams
awill...@whitemice.org wrote:
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 10:18 +0300, Pasha R wrote:
I believe the number of people that need minimizing vastly outnumber
those who don't.
I don't believe anyone needs minimizing. Why are you minimizing windows?
Pasha,
There are more reasons to want particular application to be running for some
time without interfering with others, I gave just one.
This could be a good time to tell us what those other reasons are.
Also, I do not classify things I'm doing as tasks or window management.
You don't
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 06:57 -0400, David Prieto wrote:
There are more reasons to want particular application to be
running for some time without interfering with others, I gave just
one.
This could be a good time to tell us what those other reasons are.
+1
Also, I do not classify things I'm
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 13:34 +0200, Julien Olivier wrote:
There are more reasons to want particular application to be
running for some time without interfering with others, I gave
just one.
This could be a good time to tell us what those other reasons are.
this has been said several times
I wouldn't hurt, but it isn't a solution. There is ongoing
conversation about the right solution to this [as has been mentioned
here several times]. Just bringing back minimize isn't a solution.
And you can still just leave them in a workspace. I always have
Evolution, Empathy, XIRC, and
In reply to Julien and Simon,
there are applications that need to run constantly but with which the user
only needs to interact from time to time. This is the case mainly for
music players, email applications, instant messengers and download
managers / torrent clients.
Let me derail the
On Jun 20, 2011, at 6:17 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 20:00 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
Where is the global recent document list, please? Is it gone?
I'm running Fedora 15. if there's anything specific to the
implementation of which anyone's aware?
On F15 it works
Email applications and instant messengers should only be a way for you
to interact with your online presence, that is, you should only need
them running to send an email or an IM, but not to listen to
incoming emails or IMs. Once you have set your accounts, Gnome should
start listening for
Il giorno lun, 20/06/2011 alle 15.13 +0200, Julien Olivier ha scritto:
As I already said in another email, to avoid duplicity, just assign
the
close button to minimize for applications that need it. Then,
specify
it in the desktop file.
No please, I *never* want to minimize apps, specially
No please, I *never* want to minimize apps, specially if they decide
that in their smart way. IMO, changing the close button behaviour
depending on the application will introduce an inconsistency as big as
the whole galaxy, when I press the close button I *want* that window to
be closed and I
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 16:45 +0300, Pasha R wrote:
I think it is really bad approach - to remove features without
deprecation period. If new workflow is really as good as designers try
to convince us, people will use it and will abandon minimizing. And if
they won't, then the design is probably
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 04:45:30PM +0300, Pasha R wrote:
they won't, then the design is probably wrong. It is OK to encourage
users to use new workflow by disabling minimize by default, but
removing it completely, especially when proper solution is not even
ready yet, is IMHO totally wrong.
Pasha,
I think it is really bad approach - to remove features without deprecation
period.
I think we are in the deprecation period now - that's precisely the reason
why we can still minimize through the button.
If new workflow is really as good as designers try to convince us, people
will
be there- or someone'll
write a plug-in.
Now to figure out how to get printing to my home network printer!
Thanks!
J
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Julien,
and I'm saying that maybe if *should* be kept because it is actually useful.
Er, no. Your point was that it should be kept because it exists, and proper
solutions don't.
At least that was your point after you suggested cases in which it would be
useful, and I suggested perfect
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Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:47:32 -0400
From: David Prietofrandavid...@gmail.com
To: Simon Boothsimon.bo...@giric.com
Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: My opinions on Gnome Shell
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On 20/06/11 13:47, David Prieto wrote:
In reply to Julien and Simon,
in some cases, having a minimize button DOES hurt some people.
A window that is part of the current task, but not needed for a period
of time yet you do not wish to lose your place? Leave it cluttering the
It's a little puzzling to me why GNOME Shell has deprecated window
minimization, given that one of its primary design goals is to enable
distraction-free computing.
The purpose of minimizing a window is precisely to remove it as a
distraction from the current focus. Leaving the window open, but
Er, no. Your point was that it should be kept because it exists, and
proper solutions don't.
At least that was your point after you suggested cases in which it
would be useful, and I suggested perfect solutions (those were your
words) for them. Minimizing exists, those don't. Hence my
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 15:17 +0100, Simon Booth wrote:
Client walks into your office whilst you have confidential information
relating to another client on screen?
Why is moving to an empty workspace not an option?
That simply had not occurred to me! It is a bit of a mindset change
from
Guys,
Many (most?) times it is an option, but just occasionally it has flashing
graphics, or white text on black background, or it simply annoys you.
Yeah, some windows will do that, it's true.
I'm not trying to stretch credibility too far, just pointing out that you
can either leave it in
On 20/06/11 15:50, David Prieto wrote:
My point exactly. We've been minimizing for so many years that it's
begun the default solution for every problem. There are other
solutions, some of them as good if not better; but it makes sense that
we want to go running back to minimization every time
Well, I was talking about Gnome 2. About how minimization used to give my
mom hell, and how after minimizing she would press the launcher again,
expecting to get her previous window back.
Absolutely not. I would do it for Banshee, Rhythmbox, Transmission,
Evolution and Empathy.
That's
On lun, 2011-06-20 at 08:47 -0400, Jeff Sumner wrote:
And I'm back to using the file manager to search- which too works.
I was surprised that there was a search feature advertised for Gnome-Shell
that didn't actually... Well... search my documents.
By the time I get my head around it, I'm
Simon,
The crux, to me, is hiding rather than getting hung up on terminology like
minimizing.
True. But it was the OP who said that window management is atrocious, no
less, because there is no minimize button. I can hide my windows just
fine.
But currently, workspace switching to hide a
Il giorno lun, 20/06/2011 alle 10.20 -0400, Jesse Hutton ha scritto:
It's a little puzzling to me why GNOME Shell has deprecated window
minimization, given that one of its primary design goals is to enable
distraction-free computing.
The purpose of minimizing a window is precisely to
Giovanni,
Thanks for taking the time to respond. I appreciate it and I know that
following and participating in these threads is often distracting and no
conducive to getting real work done.
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Giovanni Campagna
scampa.giova...@gmail.com wrote:
Il giorno lun,
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 18:15 +0200, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
Again, a workspace for background, long running apps is the 3.0
workaround. For 3.2, a better solution is being developed (minimization
to dash AppIcon)
Is that a reference to
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=651569 ? The
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 15:14 +0100, Martin Häsler wrote:
Message: 5
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:47:32 -0400
From: David Prietofrandavid...@gmail.com
To: Simon Boothsimon.bo...@giric.com
Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: My opinions on Gnome Shell
2011/6/20 Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 15:17 +0100, Simon Booth wrote:
Client walks into your office whilst you have confidential information
relating to another client on screen?
Why is moving to an empty workspace not an option?
That simply had not
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 13:21 -0400, Jesse Hutton wrote:
My main point of contention with that rational is that not all windows
are part of any particular task for a user. Would a music player be
part of a specific task? What about an instant messenger or IRC
client? Even for email, I can
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 19:27 -0300, Job wrote:
Very easy. why I never know this so simple and intuitive interface.
(Shitf-Ctrl-Alt-Down)
Very easy for who have liabilities. Or how need to use use one hand
while hold mobile.
You can do it with one hand, I just tested. It's not
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 15:57 +0200, Brian Baker wrote:
I just tested the search function and it works fine for me!
i use synapse and then type search...wks fine :-)
Yeah- as long as I've touched/saved the document in Gnome3. If I
haven't, it won't find my stuff.
Goin' to see if
Original Message
Subject:Re: My opinions on Gnome Shell
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 17:12:31 +0100 (BST)
From: Dimitris M. dimitri...@yahoo.gr
Reply-To: Dimitris M. dimitri...@yahoo.gr
To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org gnome-shell-list@gnome.org,
David, let me set the tone to my reply to you by stating that I
appreciate your well thought out responses Keep that in mind while
you read my responses (since I make no attempt at responding using
tact I do, however, make a point to not be rude). You wander into my
neck of the woods,
2011/6/20 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 19:27 -0300, Job wrote:
Very easy. why I never know this so simple and intuitive interface.
(Shitf-Ctrl-Alt-Down)
Very easy for who have liabilities. Or how need to use use one hand
while hold mobile.
You can do it
Hey guys, it's Jasper.
As part of my work on SweetTooth[0], I'm planning on a bunch of
changes to make the user experience for installing, enabling and
disabling extensions better. Unfortunately, I'm gonna have to break
some stuff unless someone can come up with a clever hack. These
changes are
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