Re: Finding and Reminding, tech issues, 3.0 and beyond

2010-04-27 Thread Marco Bonomo
Il giorno ven, 09/04/2010 alle 18.09 -0400, Owen Taylor ha scritto: I've attempted below to extract out some of the technical bits from http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/FindingAndReminding and see how they line up with our current technology. This is just notes, not yet a

Re: Finding and Reminding, tech issues, 3.0 and beyond

2010-04-19 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 14:56 +0200, Tomasz Sterna wrote: Dnia 2010-04-14, śro o godzinie 17:10 +0200, Alexander Larsson pisze: The other approach is when expiring or archiving to move files from ~/Desktop to an archival location like ~/Documents. I don't have much time to

Re: Finding and Reminding, tech issues, 3.0 and beyond

2010-04-16 Thread Martyn Russell
On 15/04/10 15:05, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 13:05 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: It's neither, and that means that you need to learn a new query language. snip I couldn't this time last year either (and that's not a benchmark for how long it takes to learn either). I don't

Re: Finding and Reminding, tech issues, 3.0 and beyond

2010-04-16 Thread Tomasz Sterna
Dnia 2010-04-14, śro o godzinie 17:10 +0200, Alexander Larsson pisze: The other approach is when expiring or archiving to move files from ~/Desktop to an archival location like ~/Documents. I don't have much time to participate in this discussion atm, but i'd like to point out here

Re: Finding and Reminding, tech issues, 3.0 and beyond

2010-04-16 Thread Tomasz Sterna
Dnia 2010-04-16, pią o godzinie 15:17 +0100, Rui Tiago Cação Matos pisze: http://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2009/06/24/data-about-data/ If I understand correctly you are using separate file to store metadata. What is behind this decision? Why don't you use VFS Extended attributes? Read

Re: Finding and Reminding, tech issues, 3.0 and beyond

2010-04-15 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 18:04 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: On 14/04/10 16:10, Alexander Larsson wrote: On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 18:09 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: User defined tags A completely flat view of all documents doesn't handle all users or use cases. Frequent filers will want

Re: Finding and Reminding, tech issues, 3.0 and beyond

2010-04-15 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 13:05 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: On 15/04/10 12:32, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 11:31 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: On 10/04/10 22:10, Owen Taylor wrote: On Sat, 2010-04-10 at 11:43 -0400, Jamie McCracken wrote: On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 18:09 -0400,

Re: Finding and Reminding, tech issues, 3.0 and beyond

2010-04-15 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 10:34 -0400, Jamie McCracken wrote: Is it entirely true that RDF/Sparql, whilst giving us the power to model stuff better, is harder to use and makes things more difficult to devs who dont know it I had always imagined there would be a client library that did not

Re: Finding and Reminding, tech issues, 3.0 and beyond

2010-04-15 Thread Owen Taylor
(Replying selectively - lots of stuff snipped that I agree with) On Tue, 2010-04-13 at 21:18 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 18:09 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: I've attempted below to extract out some of the technical bits from

Re: Finding and Reminding, tech issues, 3.0 and beyond

2010-04-15 Thread Apoorva Sharma
There has been discussion here about making the desktop just another view for recent/relavant files. However, I believe this can be extended to include a view of the Task Pooper. Basically, the Desktop would have two sections: - Things that I have been doing recently - Things that I plan

Re: Finding and Reminding, tech issues, 3.0 and beyond

2010-04-14 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 18:09 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: I've attempted below to extract out some of the technical bits from http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/FindingAndReminding and see how they line up with our current technology. This is just notes, not yet a concrete plan.

Re: Finding and Reminding, tech issues, 3.0 and beyond

2010-04-14 Thread Jamie McCracken
One way around all this is to provide interfaces which could use tracker or something else for base storage and notification of changes. In the future tracker may use CouchDb for storage of tags/notes and other user input metadata as being able to import/export to/from the cloud and across

Re: Finding and Reminding, tech issues, 3.0 and beyond

2010-04-12 Thread Martyn Russell
On 10/04/10 22:10, Owen Taylor wrote: On Sat, 2010-04-10 at 11:43 -0400, Jamie McCracken wrote: On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 18:09 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: Well, certainly tracking and indexing file metadata doesn't *require* anything as complex, or general purpose as RDF. I have some concerns about

Re: Finding and Reminding, tech issues, 3.0 and beyond

2010-04-12 Thread Martyn Russell
On 09/04/10 23:09, Owen Taylor wrote: Hi Owen, Tracker === In some testing, Tracker 0.8 seems enormously better behaved than Tracker 0.6. It has very significant optimizations in how it stores the tracker database on disk, and also, by default, only indexes defined subdirs of $HOME. So,

Re: Finding and Reminding, tech issues, 3.0 and beyond

2010-04-12 Thread Martyn Russell
On 12/04/10 12:03, Martyn Russell wrote: On 09/04/10 23:09, Owen Taylor wrote: I should just add, we are not starting the performance optimisations. Up Sorry, that's ...we are *now* starting..., -- Regards, Martyn ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list

Re: Finding and Reminding, tech issues, 3.0 and beyond

2010-04-11 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi Owen! What, if anything, gets pinned automatically is an interesting question - there's a pretty strong case if I create a new word processing document it should automatically get pinned. But if I save an email attachment, probably not? If everything is pinned, that's pretty much the

Re: Finding and Reminding, tech issues, 3.0 and beyond

2010-04-11 Thread Jamie McCracken
On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 18:09 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: Tracker === In some testing, Tracker 0.8 seems enormously better behaved than Tracker 0.6. It has very significant optimizations in how it stores the tracker database on disk, and also, by default, only indexes defined subdirs of

Re: Finding and Reminding, tech issues, 3.0 and beyond

2010-04-11 Thread Jamie McCracken
On Sat, 2010-04-10 at 17:10 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: The reason I consider storage relevant is that throwing data into an optimized SQL database where you don't have any ability to control what is indexed or understanding how query plans are executed is usually a recipe for application

Re: Finding and Reminding, tech issues, 3.0 and beyond

2010-04-11 Thread Alan Cox
Or just folders in the Calendar ? You don't write the contents of everything on the calendar you put them in the filing cabinet or similar with the same date attached. And certainly we do think of putting files onto the Desktop as posting them to attend to in the future. I don't think we'd want

Re: Finding and Reminding, tech issues, 3.0 and beyond

2010-04-10 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Le samedi 10 avril 2010 à 09:10 +0200, Johannes Schmid a écrit : Hi! There are two basic approaches here - one is to avoid storing things on the Desktop. Instead of seeing the Desktop as a separate location in the file selector, you'd have a checkbox: [ ] Pin to Desktop

Re: Finding and Reminding, tech issues, 3.0 and beyond

2010-04-10 Thread Owen Taylor
On Sat, 2010-04-10 at 11:43 -0400, Jamie McCracken wrote: On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 18:09 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: Tracker === In some testing, Tracker 0.8 seems enormously better behaved than Tracker 0.6. It has very significant optimizations in how it stores the tracker database

Re: Finding and Reminding, tech issues, 3.0 and beyond

2010-04-10 Thread Owen Taylor
On Sat, 2010-04-10 at 00:25 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: The other approach is when expiring or archiving to move files from ~/Desktop to an archival location like ~/Documents. How does moving it work with non aware applications or a shared file space ? You risk opening a file having it

Finding and Reminding, tech issues, 3.0 and beyond

2010-04-09 Thread Owen Taylor
I've attempted below to extract out some of the technical bits from http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/FindingAndReminding and see how they line up with our current technology. This is just notes, not yet a concrete plan. - Owen File management ideas and technology