Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- raya's research on The Four Freedoms

2006-10-06 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] From that day on, he set off on a quest to ban proprietary software and encourage the free sharing of source code by all means. That was what started his unrest. It did not set him off immediately, and by all means is certainly exaggerated. He did not, for

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- raya's research on The Four Freedoms

2006-10-06 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] From that day on, he set off on a quest to ban proprietary software and encourage the free sharing of source code by all means. That was what started his unrest. It did not set him off immediately, and by all means is certainly exaggerated. He did not, for

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- raya's research on The FourFreedoms

2006-10-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Stefaan A Eeckels wrote: On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 13:02:05 +0200 David Kastrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, what? The quoted section tries defining the term UNIX, not the term operating system. Notice the qualification [... ITS blah-blah ...] Both quotes indicate that already in the

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] adjusted term derived work - the most uncertain of all. It has legal meaning, but they changed it. You cant adjust key term of license and expect it to stay same. For derived code look at: US Code title 17, kapitole 1 a §101. He he. Now see kapitole VI

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] functionality with a _standard_ API between them. Also glibc works There's no standard for linux kernel syscalls, my dar GNUtian dak. [g] libc privides standard POSIX.1 XSH calls, not kernel. regards, alexander. ___

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] Note that the topic of the quote is _not_ the syscall interface, but the _linking_ of kernel modules into the kernel. Go to doctor and take Eben with you. regards, alexander. P.S. According to the GNU Reichsminister für Volksaufklärung und Propaganda, the topic is

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Not really. I am looking for reason, why some programs using kernel can be not-GPL, while programs using GPL library has to be GPL. programs using GPL library has to be GPL is the GNU law crapola. Unless you happen to live in the GNU Republic (i.e in alternative

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] Kernel is pretty different than a library. It has threads of its own. Uh moron. Threads is nothing but execution context (program counter, etc.) and indirection for thread state relevant stuff. Expression describing what to execute is the same. Ever heard of green

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] what about the case I am interested, linking GPL liensed dynamic library to program. What now? Do you know at least one court case of this? I don't. I also don't know of at least one case regarding black being not white. So what? Hey, if someone makes

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
model license Sonny! Uncle Hasler Has spoken!!! regards, alexander. P.S. http://www.atnf.csiro.au/people/rgooch/linux/docs/licensing.txt - Feel free to post/add this. I wrote it some time ago for a corporate lawyer who wondered what the GPL exception was. Names and companies removed not

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] Can glibc work without linux kernel? See URL:http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/ports.html. Playing idiot as usual, dak? http://sourceware.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/?cvsroot=glibc regards, alexader. ___ gnu-misc-discuss

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Eben: DRM in user space is OK as long as kernel can cheat

2006-10-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Man oh man. Uh moron. http://www.archive.org/download/punkcast964/964moglen2.ogg (video) http://www.archive.org/download/punkcast964a/964moglen2.ogg (audio) regards, alexander. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: Yes. Linux isn't the main kernel that GLIBC supports to begin with. Really? Did you check it with Drepper of Red Hat, GNUtian ueber moron ams? regards, alexander. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] Hey, if someone makes utterly idiotic claims, why don't you simply suggest to that idiot to prove it in court of law? The glibc is *your* defence. It is not even licensed under the GPL, ... Exactly. http://www.linuxrising.org/files/licensingfaq.html quote

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hey kero, just have some fun, f.ex: A recent press conference of the Free Software Foundation confirmed the rumors that the GNU General Public License was found to be incompatible with itself. This newly discovered fact may actually cause a lot of disorder in the free software world in which

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: [...] It is quite simple, if you link, then it is considered derivate. Yeah, derivate. Considered. Man, go to doctor, ams. regards, alexander. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-09 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: It is not only what happens during run time. But also what happens during compile time. Do you or do you not understand the difference between telnet/telnetd and linking a program against a library? You Just like some library, the kernel provides a bunch of

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-09 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: Because GPL. Either kernel is GPL or not. If it is (and as you say it is) then same rules apply to all programs distributed under conditions of GPL. One is always free to add special execptions, in the case of Linux, that is exactly the case. Exactly not

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-09 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: [...] From offical dutites, yes, because Thomas went against the policies of the GNU project (outright refusing to use the GFDL in a GNU project Interesting. So much about GNU freedom of speech. --- Start of forwarded message --- Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:33:16

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-09 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: [...] From offical dutites, yes, because Thomas went against the policies of the GNU project (outright refusing to use the GFDL in a GNU project Interesting. So much about GNU freedom

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-09 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: [...] From offical dutites, yes, because Thomas went against the policies of the GNU project (outright refusing

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-09 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] And what did he failed to implement? Care to provide an example of his refusal to adhere in *implementing* something? Your reading comprehension _really_ is impaired. He refused to change the license of Hurd documentation to the GFDL as prescribed by FSF

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-09 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: [...] Shows how little you know about what linking means. When Linux runs, or when glibc runs, they don't even share the same memory map; Oh really? Man oh man. Part of address space reserved for the kernel aside for a moment, how does read(int fildes, void *buf,

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-09 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: Please stop posting messages that where not even intended for public eyes. g-p-d is a private list, Whatever. He he. My, GNU secret. I don't care. Go bother http://www.softwarelibero.it. http://www.softwarelibero.it/pipermail/discussioni/2003-November/008465.html

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-09 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Go to doctor, ueber GNUtian retard ams. regards, alexander. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-09 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: Shows how little you know about what linking means. When Linux runs, or when glibc runs, they don't even share the same memory map; Oh really? Man oh man. Part of address space reserved for the kernel aside for a moment, how does read(int

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-09 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: It is in the libc CVS tree. What is in the libc CVS tree? My, uaccess stuff is in the kernel tree, stupid. regards, alexander. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-09 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] As the maintainer of a GNU project, one is responsible for implementing the GNU policies. That's not a matter of freedom of ^ | Grand-Imperator's + (aka GNU President) Of course the president of the FSF

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Lyons: Toppling Linux

2006-10-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.forbes.com/business/forbes/2006/1030/104.html LOL. Man, but this is even better: http://forums.forbes.com/forbes/board/message?board.id=stallmanreactionmessage.id=4 -- Ignorance and initial assumptions rschott Newbie Posts: 4 Registered: 10-14-2006 rschott

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Lyons: Free as in ``difficult''

2006-10-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
GPLv3 is an Eldorado for Dan. http://floatingpoint.wordpress.com/2006/10/13/free-as-in-difficult/ Free as in “difficult” October 13th, 2006 “Free as in freedom” is the rallying cry of Richard M. Stallman’s Free Software Foundation. But these guys are anything but easy to deal with, I

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: This example program would dynamically link to both Qt and my sdk's library. This would make this non-free SDK library a derivate of Qt and the example program. How fascinating. Hey ldb, ams' derivate means GNU-derived (incurable ueber GNUtian retard ams'

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hey ldb, your only GNU-ethical choice is to GPL your wife and kids (as an extra to code) and sing the GNU song: Hoarders may get piles of money, That is true, hackers, that is true. But they cannot help their neighbors; That's not good, hackers, that's not good. When we

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Merijn de Weerd wrote: [...] I disagree. The example program is a derivative of both the SDK library and the Qt library. That must be the GNU Copyleft Act Section 666 or some such. Hey, do you have a link, Merijn? regards, alexander. ___

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] While the SDK library is not derived from Qt, the complete example program is derived from both SDK library and Qt. ^^^ Hey ldb, GNUtian dak means GNU-derived (see unwritten GNU Copyleft Act). It has really nothing to do with software derivative

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hey schizophrenic de Weerd, I think that you've been convinced at some point that linking doesn't create software derivative works under copyright except in the GNU Republic (i.e. under Stallman's copyleft*** not copyright, that is). Go take some medicine to end the crisis. ***) As GNU

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] The unlinked work may be affected, too, if its purpose can't be met without linking, and thus the act of linking from the enduser becomes a formality instead of an available technical option. What are you smoking dak? regards, alexander.

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-17 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] If its main purpose is to be compiled and run, things are different. 17 USC 117, retard. regards, alexander. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-17 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: Activities other than copying, distribution and modification are Linking == modification. These requirements apply to the modified work as a whole. If identifiable sections

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-17 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Uh moron dak. So in the GNU Republic the status of other people's works changes instantaneously (somehow becoming less derivative) the moment GNUtians decide to dual-license. Go to doctor. regards, alexander. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- A veteran IP attorney off the record

2006-10-17 Thread Alexander Terekhov
quoted by Dan Lyons: http://floatingpoint.wordpress.com/2006/10/16/off-the-record/ -- “People find the GPL very hard to understand. It’s not written in a style that is a typical license style. Licensing lawyers write in a particular style because it’s precise. It’s hard to understand but if

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-17 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Stefaan A Eeckels wrote: [...] Once you start transforming it through compilers and linkers the picture might change, depending on how much of the library is included in the transformed source code. If, for example, you execute 'cc -E', the resulting source code will contain the whole of

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-17 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] This is a weird example - distributing source code of a proprietary product in order to compile and link it with GPLed libraries smacks of putting the cart in front of the horse. It smacks of license circumvention. Only in your brain-damaged head. 17 USC

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-17 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stefaan A Eeckels wrote: [...] Once you start transforming it through compilers and linkers the picture might change, depending on how much of the library is included in the transformed source code. If, for example

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-17 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] URL:http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6366 You should read his later work as well. http://www.rosenlaw.com/Rosen_Ch06.pdf In plain language: http://www.stromian.com/Corner/Feb2005.html quote Rosen is too polite to call for replacing the FSF licenses with his

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-17 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] clear that even a work which as a whole represents an original work of authorship can be a derivative work. Uh retard dak. The first rule of statutory construction is begin at the beginning and the second rule is read on. Original simply means creative

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- SCO, Stallman, and free checking

2006-10-17 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Peter Yared, chief executive of ActiveGrid... (According to Dan, Yared says he and others in the open source community wasted two years trying to counter all the SCO-related FUD with customers. Just as that cloud is being lifted, along comes Stallman and the GPLv3 to mess everything up again.)

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-17 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] URL:http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6366 You should read his later work as well. http://www.rosenlaw.com/Rosen_Ch06.pdf In plain language: http://www.stromian.com/Corner

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-17 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] URL:http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#IfInterpreterIsGPL Yeah right, bindings moronity. URL:http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLIncompatibleLibs And special exception for major components (compiler, kernel, and so on). (unless that component

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-17 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] I have here a secondary literary work covering Ulysses, consisting pretty much exclusively of annotations. Uh moron dak. http://www.viewerfreedom.org/legal/20030711Intel/20030711brief.pdf --- ... copyright law requires that a derivative work incorporate

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-17 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Louis B. (ldb) wrote: Just a minor point of clarification: I'm not including Qt code in my SDK, just an example to show how it would be used, if desired. Utterly moronic GNUtian copyleft derivative theory was sorta argued in the UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE 13th [sic :-)] CIRCUIT.

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-17 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Stefaan A Eeckels wrote: [...] I would go as far as to say that in the case of software, ... --- No. 05-04001 __ UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE 13th CIRCUIT __ OMEGA, INC.,

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-17 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alexander Terekhov wrote: Hey ldb, your only GNU-ethical choice is to GPL your wife and kids (as an extra to code) and sing the GNU song: Join us now and share the software; You'll be free, hackers, you'll be free. Join us now and share the software; You'll

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] considered a derivative work. If I put instructions about where to download a copy to be used against the intent of the license, am I not party to the process? You are a party to GNU utter moronity, dak. Hey ams heads up, dak is new champion. regards,

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Mike Cox wrote: [...] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/copyright/index.xml GNU...GNU...GNU...To summarize: copyright assignment refers to the process of legally changing the ownership of intellectual property. Hey ueber GNUtian ams, care to educate Gentoonians that intellectual

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bruce Perens and world table

2006-10-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Dan Lyons reports: http://floatingpoint.wordpress.com/2006/10/17/bruce-perens-on-gplv3/ -- While we’re on the subject of the “price” of “free” software (a notion that may seem paradoxical to some), a while back I had a chance to speak with Bruce Perens, a well-known free software advocate,

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bruce Perens and Hird of Unix-Replacing Daemons

2006-10-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
aka Hurd (Hird stands for Hurd of Interfaces Representing Depth) coined by Thomas Bushnell, BSG, the primary architect of the Hurd http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html (he was dismissed by RMS because he has publicly spoken against the GNU Free Documentation License

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bruce Perens and world table

2006-10-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hey dak, both fellows have really good appetite (they should really try to eat a bit less). And speaking of Eben, http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1139911511108 (Meet the DotCommunist) - Moglen puts it more simply: I know how to hook up people who have money with the people who have

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bruce Perens and world table

2006-10-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] Uh, why should he? The law is his profession. Since when should a person not get paid for doing his job? Are you getting paid for doing your GNU job? Your comrade ams seems to be on public support. http://www.update.uu.se/~ams/home/resume - Work Status:

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bruce Perens and world table

2006-10-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] I am not getting paid for the voluntary work I do within the GNU project, which is neither my job nor part of my job description. The And what is your job description? I'm just curious: once and for all, are you employed or not, dak? Or may be you're a lucky dot-com

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bruce Perens and world table

2006-10-19 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] benefitting the general public Hey dak, care to address the following (2nd one below) Dan's comment regarding the public? http://floatingpoint.wordpress.com/2006/10/16/an-open-source-ceo-on-the-gplv3/#comments -- Crosbie Fitch // Oct 18th 2006 at 4:03 am

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bruce Perens and world table

2006-10-19 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] benefitting the general public Hey dak, care to address the following (2nd one below) Dan's comment regarding the public? Just a rant, and obviously so. http

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bruce Perens and world table

2006-10-19 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] intended by the licensor: yes, the copyright holder has the control There are limitations, such as free (of copyright control) distribution of copies lawfully made and free (of copyright control) modification, copying, and distribution of those additional exact

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bruce Perens and world table

2006-10-19 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Ciaran O'Riordan wrote: [...] Dan's blog entry quoted a lawyer who's being consulted during the draftign of GPLv3 who said that parts of GPLv3 aren't legally sound. He said that GPLv3 draft is even worse than GPLv2 which nobody understands. The legally unsound bit was about the FSF position

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bruce Perens and world table

2006-10-19 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Go to doctor, mini-RMS. regards, alexander. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bruce Perens and world table

2006-10-19 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] The legally unsound bit was about the FSF position regarding dynamic linking. Which is not codified in either license since Read the latest draft, moron. regards, alexander. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-20 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Drazen Kacar wrote: [...] Irish copyright law gives such moral rights to individuals, the said rights are not transferable and there's no way to give them up, as far as Irish law is concerned. http://www.icla.ie/index.php?information Moral rights may be waived, but a waiver must be in

Re: Linux: GPLv3, DRM, and Exceptions

2006-10-20 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Ciaran O'Riordan wrote: Devices Rigged to Malfunction Hey FSFE retard, it's malfunction in your brain, not Tivo-like devices. regards, alexander. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org

Re: PostgreSQL, LGPL and GPL.

2006-10-20 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Merijn de Weerd wrote: [...] If you distribute the PostgreSQL server software linked with the PostGIS software, then you have to comply with the GPL for both parts of that derivative work. If you don't distribute any server software, you do not have to worry about what the GPL requires.

Re: Linux: GPLv3, DRM, and Exceptions

2006-10-20 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Ciaran O'Riordan wrote: [...] If the content of the essay left even you with nothing to complain about, I must have hit the mark. He he. Chalk that down as whatever, moron. Complain about is/was right below your moronic drivel available at the posted link. Yeah, of course, reply didn't merit a

Re: Linux: GPLv3, DRM, and Exceptions

2006-10-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: [...] 3 instances of moron later... doesn't the sun shine where you live at? Sure. BTW, I don't see the connection, retard mini-RMS. Care to elaborate? Uh moron. Where are you brain-free freedom guys coming from? Must be some virus. regards, alexander.

Re: Linux: GPLv3, DRM, and Exceptions

2006-10-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: [...] It's you who look like a virus, there's a troll under every bridge... He he. At the end, you brain-damaged guys will be liberated (countless violation [100+ tickets by Welte, go ask him] aside for a moment): quasi public domain (penalty for copyright

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-24 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Drazen Kacar wrote: [...] I don't know what is narrowly tailored waiver supposed to look like. Something along the lines below? ;-) http://forge.mysql.com/wiki/MySQL_Contributor_License_Agreement 2.4 You hereby waive any and all moral rights you may have in any of the Contributions,

Re: GNU licenses

2006-10-25 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alexander Terekhov wrote: John Hasler wrote: Well, you can also get whitebox Linux or something like that... [Red Hat's free-riders] White Box Linux and Centos. WBL is not well supported. Centos has more friends (Sun Microsystems and OpenSolaris Project). At some point Red

Re: GNU licenses

2006-10-25 Thread alexander . terekhov
support to any Red Hat Linux customer, not just customers of Oracle products, Ellison said. --- Alexander Terekhov wrote: Alexander Terekhov wrote: John Hasler wrote: Well, you can also get whitebox Linux or something like that... [Red Hat's free-riders] White Box Linux

Re: GNU licenses

2006-10-25 Thread alexander . terekhov
of Oracle products, Ellison said. --- Alexander Terekhov wrote: Alexander Terekhov wrote: John Hasler wrote: Well, you can also get whitebox Linux or something like that... [Red Hat's free-riders] White Box Linux and Centos. WBL is not well supported

Re: GNU licenses

2006-10-25 Thread alexander . terekhov
of Oracle products, Ellison said. --- Alexander Terekhov wrote: Alexander Terekhov wrote: John Hasler wrote: Well, you can also get whitebox Linux or something like that... [Red Hat's free-riders] White Box Linux and Centos. WBL is not well supported

Re: GNU licenses

2006-10-26 Thread Alexander Terekhov
products, Ellison said. --- Alexander Terekhov wrote: Alexander Terekhov wrote: John Hasler wrote: Well, you can also get whitebox Linux or something like that... [Red Hat's free-riders] White Box Linux and Centos. WBL is not well

Re: by Paul McMorrow. Tag, You Suck.

2006-10-28 Thread Alexander Terekhov
:-) Lunatic Brown. LOL. http://www.infoworld.com/article/05/09/06/HNfsfgpl_1.html (September 06, 2005: FSF looking to raise $500,000 for GPL 3 evangelizing) With the FSF estimating it may receive as many as 150,000 comments once a draft GPL 3.0 is circulated either late this year or early in

Eben wonders (no comfort at all) [was: Competing Robin Hood Linux]

2006-11-03 Thread Alexander Terekhov
--- Moglen: Microsoft-Novell raises GPL questions November 2, 2006 4:58 PM PST It's possible that Thursday's deal between Microsoft and Novell could conflict with a provision in the General Public License (GPL), according to Eben Moglen, the attorney for the Free Software Foundation that

FOSS (F == Free as in Freedom) folks declare war on NOVL

2006-11-03 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Here's just one example. By: cryptareopagite -- Novell the Enemy and OpenXML For those who missed it (hah!), Novell have embraced Microsoft, blown their rights to distribute Linux under the GPL, and announced they're going to help Microsoft try to kill OpenOffice. I just posted

Re: Eben wonders (no comfort at all)

2006-11-03 Thread Alexander Terekhov
parties’ software patents as well as copyrights. (“Finally, any free program is threatened constantly by software patents. . . To prevent this, we have made it clear that any patent must be licensed for everyone's free use or not licensed at all.”) [Ex A (GPL) at 1]. --- Alexander Terekhov

Re: Eben wonders (no comfort at all)

2006-11-03 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.microsoft.com/interop/msnovellcollab/patent_agreement.mspx - Patent Cooperation Agreement - Microsoft Novell Interoperability Collaboration Published: November 2, 2006 | Updated: November 2, 2006 On This Page Covenant to Customers Definitions – Covenant to Customers

Re: Eben wonders (no comfort at all)

2006-11-03 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.microsoft.com/interop/msnovellcollab/community.mspx Community Commitments - Microsoft Novell Interoperability Collaboration Published: November 2, 2006 | Updated: November 2, 2006 On This Page Microsoft’s Patent Pledge for Individual Contributors to openSUSE.org

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Lyons: The breakup

2006-11-03 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://floatingpoint.wordpress.com/2006/11/03/whats-really-happening-here The breakup: Pragmatists versus extremists November 3rd, 2006 Step back a bit and look at recent events. The GPLv3 fiasco, with HP and OSDL griping about FSF, and Stallman refusing to accommodate corporate types

Re: Competing Robin Hood Linux

2006-11-03 Thread Alexander Terekhov
MOG's having fun too... http://www.clientservernews.com/ (Issue No. 666; November 6 2006 Saints Alive, Microsoft Teams with Novell on Linux) - That creaking sound you just heard is Red Hat swaying back and forth on the edge of the glacier-sized crevasse that has opened up in front of it.

Re: Competing Robin Hood Linux

2006-11-05 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Red Hat (general counsel Webbink) predicts to become a 100% monopoly in the Linux market in one year. http://searchopensource.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid39_gci1228357,00.html -- In one year's time, Webbink said, Red Hat would be the only Linux commercial vendor left

Re: Competing Robin Hood Linux

2006-11-06 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Seg, 2006-11-06 Ã s 07:59 +0100, Merijn de Weerd escreveu: On 2006-11-06, Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We still believe that we will be the dominant player in the Linux market, because by that time there won't be any other Linux players

The GPL is toast in Hamburg (was: German-GPL victorious in Frankfurt district court)

2006-11-06 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hey dak, http://www.usedsoft.com/pdf/presseinfo/usedSoft_PM_Urteil_LG_Hamburg_Final.pdf the case was about MS Volume licensed software (copies are made by customers -- Dazu sagt das Urteil: „Wenn die unkörperliche Übertragung die Übergabe eines physischen Werkstücks ersetzt, dann muss auch

Re: Competing Robin Hood Linux

2006-11-06 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Merijn de Weerd wrote: On 2006-11-06, Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Merijn de Weerd wrote: On 2006-11-06, Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We still believe that we will be the dominant player in the Linux market, because by that time there won't be any other

Re: The GPL is toast in Hamburg (was: German-GPL victorious inFrankfurt district court)

2006-11-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Ciaran O'Riordan wrote: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.usedsoft.com/pdf/presseinfo/usedSoft_PM_Urteil_LG_Hamburg_Final.pdf Can you explain your email in English? That pdf is not an email. Or what do you mean? (Or, for a private conversation with one person

Re: The GPL is toast in Hamburg (was: German-GPL victorious in Frankfurt district court)

2006-11-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Ciaran O'Riordan wrote: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can you explain your email in English? That pdf is not an email. Or what do you mean? Your email made no sense to me. I guess that's because half of it email was in German and I can't read German. (I just quoted

Eben vs. Novell

2006-11-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://floatingpoint.wordpress.com/2006/11/06/novell-and-moglen-meeting-as-i-write-this/ http://floatingpoint.wordpress.com/2006/11/06/moglen-arrives-at-novell-hq-in-waltham/ ROFL. regards, alexander. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list

Re: Eben vs. Novell

2006-11-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
webster elaborated: --- As he serves the spicy, he is telling them that they can not do what they propose due to the GPL. They do not have a license to distribute without giving patent assurances and 'redistributability.' He will quote them the sections of the GPL as he sniffs brandy. As he

Re: Eben vs. Novell

2006-11-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://floatingpoint.wordpress.com/2006/11/07/the-moglen-meeting-happened/ - The Moglen meeting happened November 7th, 2006 I’ve confirmed that. But no word from the professor. Novell is supposed to put out some kind of expanded statement regarding the GPL in the next day or two. Not sure

Re: The GPL is toast in Hamburg (was: German-GPL victorious in Frankfurt district court)

2006-11-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Ciaran O'Riordan wrote: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'll try. But slowly, okay? Nope, still don't know what the point of your email was. The point was first sale aka Erschöpfung aka exhaustion, stupid. Kapis? Please reply on usenet (I'm posting this to gnu.misc.discuss

Re: Confused about LGPL terms - can you help?

2006-11-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
John Hasler wrote: [...] If you are you must comply with the terms of the library license but your You must not. First sale, stupid. regards, alexander. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org

Re: Confused about LGPL terms - can you help?

2006-11-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Hasler wrote: No. If you are not distributing the library you need do nothing special. Thanks, John. This clarifies things and makes a lot of sense. Beware that the FSF (including their fierce legal acumen Eben) disagrees with uncle Hasler, xp_newbie.

What we can do (those who believe in freedom)? (was: Eben...)

2006-11-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/node/1851 -- What we can do, those who believe in freedom, those who use GNU/Linux, or those who everywhere who believe in free markets and reject gangsters and thugs and the destruction such people do to society? First and foremost we must stand together

Perens: Novell is the new SCO (was: Eben...)

2006-11-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.theregister.com/2006/11/07/perens_on_ms_novell/ It's a case of 'Damn the people who write the software', he told us. Was the deal even legitimate, we wondered? Novell is violating the GPL, he tells us. It's up to the Free Software Foundation, which owns the copyright, to pursue this.

Several industry sources: Sun Set To Move On GPL License For Open-Source Java

2006-11-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/breakingnews.jhtml;?articleId=193600331 --- The company is very close to announcing that it will put the mobile (ME) and standard (SE) editions of the Java platform into the GNU General Public License (GPL), with the Java Enterprise Edition and

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