Re: gpl licensing

2006-12-02 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Did you chek it with RMS, mini-RMS? Microsoft is developing its software for the benefit of someone else (who is willing to pay) as well. regards, alexander. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org

Re: gpl licensing

2006-12-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
rjack wrote: [...] Kunze Letter http://www.nccusl.org/nccusl/meetings/UCITA_Materials/kunze-ucita.pdf Oh that's great. Eben should send another similar letter to the DISTRICT COURT OF FRANKFURT AM MAIN, I suppose. DISTRICT COURT OF FRANKFURT AM MAIN On behalf of the people JUDGMENT The GPL

Re: gpl licensing

2006-12-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: [...] If you want analogies, Intellectual Property is to Patents, Copyrights, Trademarks and Trade Secrets what All Living Beings Have Lungs is to amoebas, cattle and afids. A false expression, disguised of sensible generalisation. As we read the Framers'

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- GPL v3 takes shape in Sydney

2006-12-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;1950825836;fp;2;fpid;1 - In opening the seminar, the Cyberspace Law and Policy Centre's executive director, David Vaile, said the purpose of the event was not to reach a consensus but to ventilate issues surrounding GPL3, in particular its

Re: gpl licensing

2006-12-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Seg, 2006-12-04 Ã s 09:16 +0100, Alexander Terekhov escreveu: Intellectual property is a form of property which, like physical property, can be bought or sold, inherited, licensed or otherwise transferred, wholly or in part. Accordingly, some or all

Re: gpl licensing

2006-12-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Richard Tobin wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh moron. Property is property, that is to say, it belongs to someone who has the right to exclude others from using it without his or her consent. Intellectual property is property

Re: gpl licensing

2006-12-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
John Hasler wrote: Alexander Terekhov writes: Intellectual property is property, that is to say, it belongs to someone who has the right to exclude others from using it without his or her consent. Then you agree that trade secrets are not property. Eh? To the extent that appellee

Re: gpl licensing

2006-12-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: [...] Property is property, that is to say, it belongs to someone who has the right to exclude others from using it without his or her consent. Entierly true. Intellectual property is property. No, since a) intellectual property has no meaning and

Re: gpl licensing

2006-12-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Richard Tobin wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Property is property, that is to say, it belongs to someone who has the right to exclude others from using it without his or her consent. Intellectual property is property. So why

Re: gpl licensing

2006-12-05 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: [...] Well, this is about theft of *Trade*Secrets* not of intellectual property. My my, what a perfect example of a misnomer ip really is. Trade secrets are a form of intellectual property, stupid. regards, alexander.

Open Source Development Labs - Open Source Legal Labs?

2006-12-05 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6140514.html --- Linux lab cuts staff, focuses on legal issues By Stephen Shankland, CNET News.com Published on ZDNet News: December 4, 2006, 10:27 AM PT * ZDNet Tags: Legal, * Open source, * Linux, * Layoffs, * Intl Business

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- GPLv3 would prevent MS/Novell

2006-12-05 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/betaliving/viewblogpost.htm?p=339270743 - GPLv3 would prevent MS/Novell By Chris Duckett | 2006-12-04 14:07:36 Print this | E-mail this | Leave a comment According to the Free Software Foundation's general counsel, Eben Moglen, GPL version 3 would

Linus on drugs [was: Open Source Development Labs - Open Source Legal Labs?]

2006-12-05 Thread Alexander Terekhov
--- Name: Linus Torvalds ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 12/3/06 Chung Leong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 12/3/06 wrote: That's a strange way to argue it. You're speaking as though there's a normal market in which new drugs without patent protection would be developed. Let say we remove this market

[debunked] Linus on drugs

2006-12-05 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Name: Anil Maliyekkel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 12/3/06 Linus Torvalds ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 12/3/06 wrote: --- Do you think penicillin was invented because Alexander Fleming or St Mary's Hospital (where he was working) was looking to make a huge profit? ... Btw,

Novell-MS Pact: PJ-groklaw goes amok... Anonymous visitors says It really hurts GL's credibility

2006-12-05 Thread Alexander Terekhov
In comments to: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061204130954610 (Novell Forking OpenOffice.org) Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, December 05 2006 @ 10:40 AM EST one stupid comment per person per article is enough. Careful there PJ: being arrogant on top of being ignorant

Novell-MS Pact: We worked hard, were victorious, and now are denied the reward says PJ-groklaw

2006-12-06 Thread Alexander Terekhov
LOL. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061203015212989 (Why the Novell Deal is Bad SCO's Memo in Support of Motion for SJ: We Did Not Breach the GPL) We have read IBM's scathing Memorandum in Opposition to this SCO motion already, but here's SCO's Memorandum in Support of its

Re: gpl licensing

2006-12-06 Thread Alexander Terekhov
I mostly agree with troll Steven. Stefaan A Eeckels wrote: On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 08:59:12 + Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ter, 2006-12-05 às 18:49 -0600, John Hasler escreveu: Rui Miguel Silva wrote: When you buy a piece of land, does it say your contract that

Re: gpl licensing

2006-12-06 Thread Alexander Terekhov
rjack wrote: [...] I suppose you call Richard Stallman and the Free Sofware Foundation a democracy? The free in free software is euphemistic and semantic gobbledegook. RMS is an absolute dictator -- a mini Stalin -- concerning supposedly free software. Of hypocrisy and the FSF

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Eban Moglen is our general now says astrashe

2006-12-06 Thread Alexander Terekhov
rjack wrote: [...] Having invented a new copyright license that is not a contract, arch legal beagle Professor Moglen now is busyily inventing a new copyright license that is not only effective retroactively but assumes control of non GPL distribitors' patent rights. Rumors say that in the

Re: gpl licensing

2006-12-06 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Aragorn (registered Guh-NÜ-slash-Linux user #223157) wrote: [...] The word commercial is thrown in by this person solely for the purpose of bloating his argument. There is nothing in the GPL that states that software cannot be sold commercially, So now they're going to try the hard work of

Re: gpl licensing

2006-12-06 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Aragorn (registered Guh-NÜ-slash-Linux user #223157) wrote: On Wednesday 06 December 2006 18:19, Alexander Terekhov stood up and addressed the masses in /gnu.misc.discuss/ as follows...: Aragorn (registered Guh-NÜ-slash-Linux user #223157) wrote: [...] The word commercial is thrown

Re: gpl as applied to ideas

2006-12-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: [...] Ideas are not covered by any law, having them covered would be quite bad. http://www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/breakingnews.jhtml?articleId=196601593 - IBM sues maker of Intel-based mainframe clones Paul McDougall InformationWeek (12/05/2006 9:00

Re: gpl as applied to ideas

2006-12-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Joseph S. wrote: [...] In effect, GPLed software is more inaccessible for study and inspection than shareware? By fear of contamination. Yup. The GPL family is highly toxic (according to GPL experts like RMS, Eben Moglen, and FSF's GPL Compliance Lab): cyanide - LGPL - GPLv2 - polonium 210 -

Opinion: GPL Written By A Monkey -- GNU GPL (a.k.a. Please rape me!)

2006-12-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://spl.haxial.net/gnu-gpl/ Richard Stallman has the license-writing skills of a monkey. I discovered this when I tried to write an accurate and concise summary of his license. Following I tear the GPL to shreds, and then explain why each shred is poorly written for a license

Re: 'It's just a f*cking kernel...'

2006-12-13 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] If you don't remember: the postings about it here were really amusing regarding Terekhov's grip on reality: he paraded the verdict here I remember that you took exception to my characterization of the German phrase In Übrigen wird die Klage abgewiesen

Re: EASTERBROOK's quick look on the GPL and Wallace's claim

2006-12-14 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Ben Pfaff wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lee Hollaar) writes: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In the United States Court of Appeals For the Seventh Circuit No. 06-2454 DANIEL WALLACE, Plaintiff-Appellant, v. INTERNATIONAL

Re: Using a script licensed under GPL in an application licensedunder a license that's not compatible with GPL

2006-12-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: [...] The OP said that they add features that are not provided if the GPLed scripts are used. Features like freedom. Man, run to doctor, ams. regards, alexander. -- Don't Buy Harry Potter Books -- http://www.stallman.org

Re: Strawmen and Urban Legends

2006-12-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Ciaran O'Riordan wrote: An informative read is The Dangers of Software Patents: http://www.ifso.ie/documents/rms-2004-05-24.html There are also certain software developers for whom getting a patent licence is extremely hard. We Free Software developers. You see Free Software has been so

Re: Strawmen and Urban Legends

2006-12-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Ciaran O'Riordan wrote: An informative read is The Dangers of Software Patents: http://www.ifso.ie/documents/rms-2004-05-24.html The advocates of software idea patents ask you to take for granted that no matter what harm or trouble or nuisance these patents may cause, they must be promoting

Re: Strawmen and Urban Legends

2006-12-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Any idea what makes arch legal GNU beagle Eben one of the world's leading experts on copyright law as applied to software, rjack? regards, alexander. -- Don't Buy Harry Potter Books -- http://www.stallman.org ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list

Re: SFLC: a penumbra

2006-12-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alexander Terekhov wrote: rjack wrote: [...] One must be careful to define Component[] in context. http://www.usdoj.gov/osg/briefs/2006/2pet/6invit/2005-1056.pet.ami.inv.html Although the court of appeals correctly held that software can be a component of a patented invention

Re: SFLC: a penumbra

2006-12-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
rjack wrote: [...] Its information content is transferred from disc to disc without a single molecule being transferred—just as the information in this Brief is transferred to a photocopy without a single molecule being transferred. RMS Sorry if it was not clear, but that Chinese

Re: SFLC: a penumbra

2006-12-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
I find it rather interesing that this recent instance of a penumbra blah-blah filed by the SFLC is basically copy and paste from Eben's SFLC underling Dan of PubPat brief in LabCorp v. Metabolite. http://www.pubpat.org/assets/files/AmicusBriefs/PUBPAT_LabCorp_SCt_Brief.pdf The Supreme Court

Re: SFLC: a penumbra

2006-12-19 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alexander Terekhov wrote: Alexander Terekhov wrote: [...] http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/MSFT.Vandenberg.pdf http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/MSFT.Shell.pdf Simply put, software is not a process ... but merely represents a processs, says Shell. What Shell wants is this: quote

Re: SFLC: a penumbra

2006-12-19 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alexander Terekhov wrote: [...] http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/MSFT.Vandenberg.pdf http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/MSFT.Shell.pdf Simply put, software is not a process ... but merely represents a processs, says Shell. regards, alexander. -- Boycott Exxon-Mobil -- www.stallman.org

Re: SFLC: a penumbra

2006-12-19 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alexander Terekhov wrote: Alexander Terekhov wrote: Alexander Terekhov wrote: [...] http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/MSFT.Vandenberg.pdf http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/MSFT.Shell.pdf Simply put, software is not a process ... but merely represents a processs, says Shell

Re: SFLC: a penumbra

2006-12-19 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alexander Terekhov wrote: [...] http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/MSFT.Vandenberg.pdf http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/MSFT.Shell.pdf Simply put, software is not a process ... but merely represents a processs, says Shell. What Shell wants

Re: An explanation of tivoisation

2006-12-20 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Ciaran O'Riordan wrote: This isn't a ground-breaking article, but there didn't seem to be any articles that described tivoisation in moderate detail, so I wrote one: Tivoisation explained - implementation and harms

Re: SFLC: a penumbra

2006-12-20 Thread Alexander Terekhov
[http://www.softwarefreedom.org/publications/msvatt.pdf] Toward the end, arch legal GNU beagle Eben eloquently states: Thus, this Court's precedent repeatedly sets out that software, which is nothing more than a set of instructions -- an algorithm -- to be performed by a computer in order to

Free Software Law Center and the FSF repudiated the GPL

2006-12-20 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Just a subject change. Unpaid GNUtian volunteers without money*** might want to notice and comment. TIA. Alexander Terekhov wrote: [http://www.softwarefreedom.org/publications/msvatt.pdf] Toward the end, arch legal GNU beagle Eben eloquently states: Thus, this Court's precedent

Re: Free Software Law Center and the FSF repudiated the GPL

2006-12-20 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: oops, one more thread to the kill list. .-. | | \ \ .--.. \ () ' (_) .__ _ () (___) _ _ _.- regards, alexander. --

Re: Jurisdiction Penumbra

2006-12-27 Thread Alexander Terekhov
rjack wrote: [...] The CAFC should be reversed. Maybe. Well, but taking ideas from Switzerland (-based international and non-political association of approximately 4,000 industrial property attorneys from over eighty countries (including the United States)) and Shell, either the SCOTUS

Re: GPL version 3 comments

2006-12-27 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: I.e. you could modify the GPL into being a non-free license, and still call it the GPL. That does not follow. Yes, it does, if and only if you are permited to modify the GPL. But the GPL is licensed under the following terms: | Everyone is

Re: GPL version 3 comments

2006-12-27 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: A operating system can exist perfectly fine without a kernel, ... Only a GNU operating system? LOL. regards, alexander. Join the boycott of Chinese products -- www.stallman.org ___ gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Strawmen and Urban Legends

2006-12-29 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: [... TRIPS ...] It doesn't say shall be protected as you please. Nor does it say shall ONLY be protected. Why do you think it does? Because the meaning of shall implies the *ONLY*. Only in the GNU Republic, district governed by mini-RMS. regards,

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Business Review Ltd: MySQL changes license to avoid GPLv3

2007-01-05 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.businessreviewonline.com/os/archives/2007/01/mysql_changes_l.html -- Open Source WeblogMySQL changes license to avoid GPLv3 January 04, 2007 Here’s an announcement that almost got drowned out by festive cheer: MySQL has changed the license it uses for its open source database

Re: Transcript of RMS's general free software speech

2007-01-09 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hey Ciaran, do you really take that bullshit lunacy seriously? I'm just curious. (Perhaps you're just a full-time lobbyist on payroll and that's just your job, nothing more... no?) regards, alexander. -- Please do not buy from Amazon -- Richard Stallman

Re: Transcript of RMS's general free software speech

2007-01-09 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Jay Belanger wrote: Ciaran O'Riordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... No one asked me to make that, but I knew people would find it useful, so I made it - and a lot of people have said thanks. There are many more here: http://ciaran.compsoc.com/texts/ Let me add my thanks, too. +1

Re: The Pirate Bay plans to buy island

2007-01-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Freedom and all that... great new home for Eben and the entire GNU gang. http://www.sealandgov.org/index.html -- About Sealand Sealand was founded as a sovereign Principality in 1967 in international waters, six miles off the eastern shores of Britain. In late June of 2006, the island

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- GPL Draft Has Microsoft/Novell Deal in Mind

2007-02-17 Thread Alexander Terekhov
--- Developer News February 16, 2007 GPL Draft Has Microsoft/Novell Deal in Mind By Sean Michael Kerner NEW YORK -- When the the third draft of the General Public License (define) comes out, look for language that addresses the recent Microsoft-Novell patent deal. Members of the Free

Re: GPL question

2007-03-10 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Uncle Hasler, uncle Hasler, John Hasler wrote: me writes: i've not changed any code in foo, i simply want to use the binary. can i distribute the original unmodified binary foo with my proprietary software and not become obligated to GPL my software? Yes. Note, however, that you

Re: GPL question

2007-03-13 Thread Alexander Terekhov
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106(3) [17 USC 106(3)], the owner of a particular copy or phonorecord lawfully made under this title, or any person authorized by such owner, is entitled, without the authority of the copyright owner, to sell or

Re: GPL question

2007-03-13 Thread Alexander Terekhov
John Hasler wrote: [...] US law says that if you own a lawfully made copy of a work you can sell it or otherwise dispose of it without permission of the copyright owner. Note that a copy is a _tangible object_ such as a book, a CD, a floppy, or a hard drive. However, this bit of law has no

Re: GPL question

2007-03-13 Thread Alexander Terekhov
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] you can totally blow off the GPL and treat it like LGPL?? -- [...] sections of the LGPL are an impenetrable maze of technological babble. They should not be in a general-purpose software license. [...] The LGPL concedes that the GPL is a better, more

Re: GNU shirt

2007-03-13 Thread Alexander Terekhov
-John Sullivan Hey FSFer, shirts aside, any chance to see your 2006 forms pretty soon? http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/search.summary/orgid/8557.htm I'm really interested in your 2006 expenses... especially related to (apparently never ending) GPLv3 saga. ;-) regards,

Re: GNU shirt

2007-03-13 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: [using his a-la RMS totally moronic tool in reply to FSFer wjsullivan] You might want try and check https://www.fsf.org/order/ FSF doesn't have that particular shirt anymore, but there are some other good ones. Yeah, such as the GNU GPL vaporware related

Re: GPL question

2007-03-14 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] You'll find that judges are no mechanical idiots. Let's take a look at US appelate court's (panel of three judges) interetation of the GPL: quote Authors who distribute their works under this license, devised by the Free Software Foundation, Inc., authorize not

Re: GPL question

2007-03-14 Thread Alexander Terekhov
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can we all please stop talking in parables and references to topics we may not all share the detailed background knowledge of? I'd like a straight answer with the entire answer within the text. is the GPL basically not enforceable assuming you work around it

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- In Search Of GPL Version 3: The Long Road To Nowhere

2007-03-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2007/03/in_search_of_gp.html Topics: Consumer/Personal Tech In Search Of GPL Version 3: The Long Road To Nowhere By Charles Babcock, 10:37 PM ET, Mar 15, 2007 A month ago, I started down a path that I hoped would lead me to a

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- In Search Of GPL Version 3: The Long Road To Nowhere

2007-03-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alan Curry wrote: [... rms ... rms ... rms ...] Hey Alan, would you please comment on the following opinion from Humberto Fontova (feel free to comment on related side node below as well): sidenote source=http://www.frontpagemag.com/GoPostal/commentdetail.asp?ID=27342commentID=824270 Date:

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- In Search Of GPL Version 3: The Long Road To Nowhere

2007-03-17 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alan Curry wrote: [...] It appears to be mostly about the Cuban government. It says nothing about GNU and barely anything about rms (it mentions that he gave a speech there, but from what you reposted I can't even determine what he spoke about). Try google, Alan. From what I gather it was a

Re: NYC LOCAL: Wednesday Afternoon 21 March 2007 Richard Stallman will speak at NYU

2007-03-17 Thread Alexander Terekhov
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] The talk is entitled Free Software and Freedom: Free Software in Ethics and in Practice. I thought he is supposed to be busy with the GPLv3. -- A Decision from FSF in 2 Weeks on Novell-MS Deal -- When you want to know more but don't know where to look.

Re: NYC LOCAL: Monday 19 March 2007 NYU InfoLaw: Eben Moglen on the Empire and the iPhone and the Commons

2007-03-19 Thread Alexander Terekhov
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] The Empire the iPhone: 'Technology Platforms,' the Commons, and the Way We Live Now. I thought he is supposed to be busy with the GPLv3. -- A Decision from FSF in 2 Weeks on Novell-MS Deal -- When you want to know more but don't know where to look.

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- InformationWeek: The Controversy Over GPL 3

2007-03-19 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=198001444 quote The next version of the open source license is dividing the community, and it isn't even out yet [...] Bare facts: What's the difference betweekn free and open? Ask Richard Stallman, who wrote the first GPL.

Re: Novell-MS Pact: Perens sets up a gloomy world

2007-03-20 Thread Alexander Terekhov
LOL. http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/archives/070319-110231.html -- « BrainShare: The Heart of Novell March 19, 2007 BrianShare: Mountains Out of Molehills? Thus far, I have not seen Novell spare a lot of expense on the glitz for this show. Massive catered meals, audio-visual

Re: Novell-MS Pact: FSF Corrects Novell's Steinman and a Request to End the Mystery from PJ

2007-03-20 Thread Alexander Terekhov
ROFL http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070317032834650 -- FSF Corrects Novell's Steinman and a Request to End the Mystery Monday, March 19 2007 @ 02:41 PM EDT I couldn't believe my eyes when I read this interview with Novell's Director of Marketing, Justin Steinman. He is

Re: Novell-MS Pact: Perens blasts Microsoft/Novell protection racket

2007-03-20 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS9126255519.html Mar. 19, 2007 Salt Lake City -- In a small conference room across the street from the location of Novell's BrainShare conference, free-software advocate Bruce Perens attacked Novell's patent deal with Microsoft and said that Novell was

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- GPL advocates urged strikethroughtold/strikethrough to pay for love

2007-03-23 Thread Alexander Terekhov
A seminar to explain the nuances of GPLv3, alas, postponed. http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2007/02/22/gpl_seminar/ --- GPL advocates urged strikethroughtold/strikethrough to pay for love By Dan Goodin in San Francisco ? More by this author 22 Feb 2007 02:14 Freedom is just another word

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Next GPL3 Draft to be Released on Wednesday

2007-03-25 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://technocrat.net/d/2007/3/24/16783/ Next GPL3 Draft to be Released on Wednesday Bruce Perens Sat, 24 Mar 2007 11:52:51 PDT Open Source Software At the FSF general meeting today, Richard Stallman announced that the third discussion draft of GPL version 3 will be released on

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- FSF to tweak GPLv3 to bust up MS Novell deal

2007-03-27 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/108831/fsf-to-tweak-gplv3-to-bust-up-ms-novell-deal.html FSF to tweak GPLv3 to bust up MS Novell deal 7:32AM, Tuesday 27th March 2007 The Free Software Foundation, non-profit group that owns rights to much of the Linux operating system, says it will seek to

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- LWN: A new GPLv3 timetable

2007-03-27 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://lwn.net/Articles/227857/ A new GPLv3 timetable [Posted March 26, 2007 by corbet] From:Brett Smith brett-AT-fsf.org To: corbet-AT-lwn.net Subject: GPLv3 timetable update Date:Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:40:33 -0400 FYI: the information below is being sent to our

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-03-27 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Ciaran O'Riordan wrote: [snip bullshit] Yada, yada, yada. As if first sale (copyright exhaustion in EU speak) were nonexistent not only in the GNU Republic but everywhere. regards, alexander. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-03-27 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: [snip bullshit] Yada, yada, yada. As if first sale (copyright exhaustion in EU speak) were nonexistent not only in the GNU Republic but everywhere. regards, alexander. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-03-27 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Richard Tobin wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yada, yada, yada. As if first sale (copyright exhaustion in EU speak) were nonexistent not only in the GNU Republic but everywhere. That would only allow you to transfer your copy, not make

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-03-27 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Ciaran O'Riordan wrote: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As if first sale (copyright exhaustion in EU speak) were nonexistent Well, I don't know the answer to that, and I'm not going to check with a lawyer right now, but if there was such a loophole in the GPL, wouldn't

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-03-27 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: As if first sale (copyright exhaustion in EU speak) were nonexistent Well, I don't know the answer to that, and I'm not going to check with a lawyer right now, but if there was such a loophole in the GPL, wouldn't someone have exploited it by now?

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-03-27 Thread Alexander Terekhov
John Hasler wrote: [...] Note that only copyright owners have standing to sue. Sonny, uncle Hasler has spoken! True, since the Free Software Foundation (license drafter) persistently claims for decades to the entire world that the GPL is a license and not a contract, then it is really hard

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Installation Information

2007-03-28 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Installation Information In our earlier drafts we devoted much care to devising a detailed technical definition of the cryptographic information that would enable GPL licensees to install functioning modified versions, without affecting legitimate uses of encryption. The result was a

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Inherently Unmodifiable Copies

2007-03-28 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Inherently Unmodifiable Copies We do not object to the practice of conveying object code in a mode not practically susceptible to modification by any party, such as code burned in ROM or embedded in silicon. What we find ethically objectionable is the refusal to pass on to the downstream

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Network Access and Other Limitations

2007-03-28 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Network Access and Other Limitations The definition of Installation Information states that the information provided “must suffice to ensure that the continued functioning of the modified object code is in no case prevented or interfered with solely because modification has been made.” We did

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- User Products

2007-03-28 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Standing ovations to Eben! :-) quote User Products In our earlier drafts, the requirement to provide encryption keys applied to all acts of conveying object code, as this requirement was part of the general definition of Corresponding Source. Section 6 of Draft 3 now limits the applicability

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Paracopyright

2007-03-28 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Paracopyright What was the second paragraph of section 3 in Draft 2, concerning so- called anticircumvention law, has been broken up into two paragraphs. In the first paragraph we have replaced the reference to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, a United States statute, with a corresponding

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Ephemeral Propagation

2007-03-28 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Ephemeral Propagation Some have expressed concern that our technical restrictions provisions would extend to such cases as the ordinary use of a walkup Internet kiosk. We do not believe ephemeral propagation of this sort should amount to “conveying” anywhere, and are confident that it is not

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Patents

2007-03-28 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Patents Software patenting is a harmful and unjust policy, and should be abolished; recent experience makes this all the more evident. Since many countries grant patents that can apply to and prohibit software packages, in various guises and to varying degrees, we seek to protect the users of

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-03-28 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Elvey wrote: FYI, their (Adaptec Support's) latest response: Send GNU legal beagle Eben on them, Elvey. They will capitulate immediately. :-) regards, alexander. -- It’s odd that PJ would duck a subpoena because she says she’s a paralegal and has a high respect for the legal system. --

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-03-31 Thread Alexander Terekhov
John Hasler wrote: [...] The reason there have not yet been many court tests of the GPL is that most infringers capitulate immediately upon being confronted. And in other news, RMS has bought a house and a nice big car (in addition to a whole bunch of genuine DVDs with latest Hollywood

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- ACT: Perens Invokes the “Nuh Uh!” Defense, Calls Us Names

2007-04-11 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://blog.actonline.org/2007/04/perens_invokes_.html quote April 10, 2007 Perens Invokes the “Nuh Uh!” Defense, Calls Us Names Following up on a piece he wrote about my recent GPLv3 analyses, Peter Galli interviewed [http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2112267,00.asp] free software

Re: just another freeware blog (was: Re: Great Free Software Blog)

2007-04-12 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Ciaran O'Riordan wrote: Koh Choon Lin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think the title is misleading: Paying for good software will lead others to think that free means free of charge. That blog does mean free of charge. It's a freeware blog, not a free software blog. C'mon, Guh-NÜ

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- DeLong: TOP 10 REASONS WHY SOFTWARE ENGINEERS SHOULD BE WARY OF GPLv3

2007-04-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov
quote 1. The language of GPLv3 is difficult to understand. A license should clearly inform people what they can and cannot do. GPLv3 does neither. Lawyers assume that they could understand it if only they were software engineers, and engineers assume that the lawyers grasp it. Both are wrong.

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Eben's Life After GPLv3

2007-04-25 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://emoglen.law.columbia.edu/blog/2007/04/index.html quote And Now ... Life After GPLv3 Not that it wasn’t wonderful. I enjoyed almost every minute of it, and I’m going to write about the ones that can be told, some day. But for me and for my colleague Richard Fontana, after months of

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Laurie: Moglen Celebrates the Increase in the Chocolate Ration

2007-04-26 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.links.org/?p=221 - Moglen Celebrates the Increase in the Chocolate Ration Eben Moglen blogs about the GPLv3 [http://emoglen.law.columbia.edu/blog/2007/04/index.html] and what a wonderful guy he is. But I’m not going to get into a GPLv3 vs. GPLv2 vs. anything else debate, since I’m

Re: The GNU Philosophy: How practical is it?

2007-04-27 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: [...] Take a look at RedHat IPO scam money aside for a moment, let's see... 1997: net loss1318 (-) 1998: net loss3738 (-) 1999: net loss6388 (-) 2000: net loss 43053 (-) 2001: net loss 86773 (-) 2002: net loss 139949 (-) 2003: net loss6734

Re: The GNU Philosophy: How practical is it?

2007-04-27 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: [...] Dunno why I bother, but... RedHat does far more software development than Adobe. ^ | Eh? |

Re: The GNU Philosophy: How practical is it?

2007-04-27 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Sex, 2007-04-27 Ã s 17:21 +0200, Alexander Terekhov escreveu: Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: [...] Dunno why I bother, but... RedHat does far more software development than Adobe

Re: The GNU Philosophy: How practical is it?

2007-04-27 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alexander Terekhov wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Sex, 2007-04-27 Ã s 17:21 +0200, Alexander Terekhov escreveu: Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: [...] Dunno why I bother, but... RedHat does far more software development than Adobe

Re: The GNU Philosophy: How practical is it?

2007-04-28 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Barry Margolin wrote: [...] Isn't that pattern pretty normal for high-tech startups? Ask those poor folks who lost the money in Linux and .com IPO scam. I've sold and shorted (Put-Optionsscheine) the techs in 99 and it was rather too earlier, but in the end it turned small profit, not loss.

Re: Jurisdiction Penumbra

2007-05-01 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alexander Terekhov wrote: rjack wrote: [...] The CAFC should be reversed. Maybe. Well, but taking ideas from Switzerland (-based international and non-political association of approximately 4,000 industrial property attorneys from over eighty countries (including the United States

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Broersma: FSF cosies up to Apache

2007-05-10 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?newsID=8808 - FSF cosies up to Apache By Matthew Broersma, Techworld The Free Software Foundation says it is on track to build Apache License compatibility into the upcoming GPL version 3, despite 11th-hour problems that scuppered the feature in

Re: GPL question

2007-05-15 Thread Alexander Terekhov
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Suppose I used some GPL code (e.g. linux kernel linked lists) in my own project, which is also under GPL. However I have the copyright for the bits that I wrote, possibly more than a non-trivial %90 of it. Can I still dual license the project? Your project

Re: GPL question

2007-05-15 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Suppose I used some GPL code (e.g. linux kernel linked lists) in my own project, which is also under GPL. However I have the copyright for the bits that I wrote, possibly more than a non-trivial %90 of it. Can I still dual

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