[GOAL] Re: A case for strong fair use / fair dealing with restrictive licenses

2015-04-29 Thread Graham Triggs
On 28 April 2015 at 22:45, Heather Morrison heather.morri...@uottawa.ca wrote: There is nothing in any of the CC licenses that requires that works be made available free of charge, either by the downstream user or by the original licensor. It is true that a CC license cannot be revoked,

[GOAL] Re: A case for strong fair use / fair dealing with restrictive licenses

2015-04-29 Thread Heather Morrison
Graham makes some good points. Anyone who is sharing a work under any Creative Commons license, or any other type of license, has no obligation to keep the work available at all, or under the same license, in perpetuity. I can post a picture to flickr under whatever terms I choose, immediately

[GOAL] Re: A case for strong fair use / fair dealing with restrictive licenses

2015-04-29 Thread David Prosser
It is unlikely that many authors have contracts with publishers requiring a particular license even at the time of publication. When an author submits a paper to a journal they often get a selection of licenses to choose from. Surely that’s part of the contract to publish? David On 29 Apr

[GOAL] The gift economy (blog post) - Alternate market economies and possible approaches to sustaining the knowledge commons

2015-04-29 Thread Alexis Calvé-Genest
Blogpost by Alexis Calvé-Genest Heather Morrison An introduction to alternatives to market economy. From the Sustaining the Knowledge Commons project, this short text wants to introduce a few ideas on alternate modes of exchange. In order to rethink the current publication system, a little

[GOAL] Re: Number of Open Access journals

2015-04-29 Thread Bosman, J.M. (Jeroen)
I've always been amazed how Thomson/ISI categorized English language journals (mostly published in de US/UK) as international journals and all other journals as regional journals. Should ask them. BTW Eric could you elaborate on what you say in your last sentence? Will Science Metrix launch

[GOAL] Re: A case for strong fair use / fair dealing with restrictive licenses

2015-04-29 Thread Heather Morrison
On 2015-04-29, at 8:43 AM, David Prosser wrote: It is unlikely that many authors have contracts with publishers requiring a particular license even at the time of publication. When an author submits a paper to a journal they often get a selection of licenses to choose from. Surely that’s

[GOAL] Re: Number of Open Access journals

2015-04-29 Thread Jacinto Dávila
May I ask a couple of naïve questions? Why do we count journals? If we are all looking forward to a global, hopefully distributed archive of knowledge, shouldn't we counting papers or some other way of displaying solutions? El 29/4/2015 11:13, Bosman, J.M. (Jeroen) j.bos...@uu.nl escribió:

[GOAL] Re: A case for strong fair use / fair dealing with restrictive licenses

2015-04-29 Thread Graham Triggs
On 29/04/2015 14:09:40, David Prosser david.pros...@rluk.ac.uk wrote: It is unlikely that many authors have contracts with publishers requiring a particular license even at the time of publication. When an author submits a paper to a journal they often get a selection of licenses to choose

[GOAL] Re: Number of Open Access journals

2015-04-29 Thread Uhlir, Paul
Good question. And while we're at it, why after 20 years do we still use a stovepiped, disaggregated, print model construct as the primary vehicle for digitally networked scholarly communication? Paul F. Uhlir, J.D. Scholar, National Academy of Sciences, and Consultant, Data Policy and

[GOAL] Re: Number of Open Access journals

2015-04-29 Thread Éric Archambault
Jeroen You are right on the dot, but Thomson is certainly not the only one to do this, many practitioners in the bibliometrics community also have this habit, albeit somewhat unconsciously. This is why we haven't had a much needed debate a proper debate on linguistic and national

[GOAL] Re: Number of Open Access journals

2015-04-29 Thread Éric Archambault
Jacinto The question is not naïve, it is important. The reason there should be a conversation on journals, and their numbers, is to establish the population. And we need to determine this to speak about representativeness of current sources of data, of sampling biases, and generally of

[GOAL] Re: A case for strong fair use / fair dealing with restrictive licenses

2015-04-29 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
I agree with Graham. The likelihood of CC-BY being used against the community is effectively zero. The reverse is NOT true. CC-BY-NC actually grants the publisher an effective monopoly to charge for re-use rights. This is not hypothetical. Publishers are making millions out of papers which are

[GOAL] Re: Number of Open Access journals

2015-04-29 Thread Éric Archambault
Paul I think librarians are still highly concerned about journals, as opposed to papers. The reason is that this is how their invoices are structured - they buy journals and now bunches of journals. But this is changing because end-users increasingly do not see journals, they see results in

[GOAL] Re: Number of Open Access journals

2015-04-29 Thread Éric Archambault
If one wants to see how excluding foreign references can have adverse effects on citation analysis, here the list of references for a randomly picked up Japanese paper. Most, if not all, Japanese language references are currently ignored in citation analysis, this science is considered

[GOAL] Elsevier (and other traditional publishers) and PLOS

2015-04-29 Thread Heather Morrison
Elsevier has much in common with Public Library of Science: both are scholarly publishing organizations, focused on science, and in my opinion both aggressively advocate sometimes for the best interests of scholarship, but often primarily for their own business interests. If policy-makers are